The Other Side of Midnight - Richard C. Hoagland - Live Chat Thread

[starrmtn001]

I believe the eye is actually shedding a tear; the ancients knew the art of their vast engineering projects would be viewed first by the sightless seers, the untrained observers, the soulless empiricists, the willfully blind...

Yeah!  And a pretzel in the very bottom left corner.  A pretzel!  Who da thunk?

[astroguy]

It doesn't take Keith Laney that long

#FreeTheData

That's because Keith doesn't do it well.  When you need global consistency and <100 m accuracy, you have to precisely know things like spacecraft trajectory, camera pointing, etc., and have good camera models to know about distortions because we're using two different cameras for the reconstruction.  One of them has a broad, somewhat subtle warp to it that we still haven't fully calibrated (done by doing things like taking pictures of star fields and comparing where stars appear vs where we know they should be), and so there are warps to some of the topography solutions.

There's doing something quick-and-dirty and getting broad trends - which we've done and others have done - and then there's doing it as correctly as possible and being able to pull everything you can out of the data.

[K_Dubb]

Yeah!  And a pretzel in the very bottom left corner.  A pretzel!  Who da thunk?

I see it!  The universal sign for a bakery.  We'll need something to eat as we pore through the archives.

[GravitySucks]

I don't see any Frenchy thingy above it.  But, I do see another eye above it.  Maybe Astroguy could post the entire pic.

The fleur de lis is clearly on the floor of the crater right above the tower with the Masonic compass. Don't deny it, or I will know you are a disinformation agent.

[astroguy]

That's because Keith doesn't do it well.  When you need global consistency and <100 m accuracy, you have to precisely know things like spacecraft trajectory, camera pointing, etc., and have good camera models to know about distortions because we're using two different cameras for the reconstruction.  One of them has a broad, somewhat subtle warp to it that we still haven't fully calibrated (done by doing things like taking pictures of star fields and comparing where stars appear vs where we know they should be), and so there are warps to some of the topography solutions.

There's doing something quick-and-dirty and getting broad trends - which we've done and others have done - and then there's doing it as correctly as possible and being able to pull everything you can out of the data.

Check out this conference abstract.  Paul Schenk is the guy on the team doing most of the topography solutions.  Obviously, from the included example, we have preliminary stuff, but his next-to-final versions are still several days away, and final is ... uncertain.

And you'll notice in his references, he reference my abstract.

[SciFiAuthor]

I clearly see a Masonic compass and a fleur de lis above it. Why are you obfuscating?

It's not real, they faked Pluto on a soundstage. There are no planets further out than Saturn. It's all a plot to discredit Aristotle.

[GravitySucks]

That's because Keith doesn't do it well.  When you need global consistency and <100 m accuracy, you have to precisely know things like spacecraft trajectory, camera pointing, etc., and have good camera models to know about distortions because we're using two different cameras for the reconstruction.  One of them has a broad, somewhat subtle warp to it that we still haven't fully calibrated (done by doing things like taking pictures of star fields and comparing where stars appear vs where we know they should be), and so there are warps to some of the topography solutions.

There's doing something quick-and-dirty and getting broad trends - which we've done and others have done - and then there's doing it as correctly as possible and being able to pull everything you can out of the data.

So, what you are saying is you are not done Photoshopping out the arcologies, but you may be done soon.

[K_Dubb]

The fleur de lis is clearly on the floor of the crater right above the tower with the Masonic compass. Don't deny it, or I will know you are a disinformation agent.

Oh my God, I zoomed in and you're right!  Here, the eye is surmounted by a pyramid rather than the usual way.  And is that not the old scouting logo?  Let me blur and sharpen until it emerges.

[GravitySucks]

Oh my God, I zoomed in and you're right!  Here, the eye is surmounted by a pyramid rather than the usual way.  And is that not the old scouting logo?  Let me blur and sharpen until it emerges.

I only have one eye and I can see it. Amateurs.

[Ms. C]

I don't see any Frenchy thingy above it.  But, I do see another eye above it.  Maybe Astroguy could post the entire pic.

It's an eyeball, a blood shot eyeball ... But definitely an eyeball!!

[astroguy]

FYI, here's my Pluto/Charon presentation for that conference, in 2 weeks.

[starrmtn001]

I see it!  The universal sign for a bakery.  We'll need something to eat as we pore through the archives.

Bakery, yes.  And Starbucks.  Gotta be a Starbucks!

[starrmtn001]

The fleur de lis is clearly on the floor of the crater right above the tower with the Masonic compass. Don't deny it, or I will know you are a disinformation agent.

Oh!  In the eyeball itself.  Yes, I see it now.  I was looking above the eyelid.

[Rix Gins]

Check out the fairly well defined dove perched on the left rim of the eye.

[Walks_At_Night]

Check out the fairly well defined dove perched on the left rim of the eye.

Ain't that the logo from the Partridge Family's intro?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98j-33IWCFU

[Étouffée]

It's a giant bundt pan.
Bakery of the Gods?

[Walks_At_Night]

or mebbe it's this rascal:

[GravitySucks]

Check out the fairly well defined dove perched on the left rim of the eye.

/reported

Misdirection

[Rix Gins]

FYI, here's my Pluto/Charon presentation for that conference, in 2 weeks.

Thanks for sharing, astroguy.  So what option did you want...1, 2, or 3?

[astroguy]

Thanks for sharing, astroguy.  So what option did you want...1, 2, or 3?

As in the option of how to map craters in my abstract?  I was 1.

[TigerLily]

Thank you for your Post astroguy. Can't wait to read it

[TigerLily]

More holistic health stuff tonight.  .  Pass
Makes me miss pseudoastronomy. Bring back arcologies!

[Rix Gins]

As in the option of how to map craters in my abstract?  I was 1.

Got it.  Thanks.  For some reason I thought that you might have wanted to pick the second option.

[trostol]

More holistic health stuff tonight.  .  Pass
Makes me miss pseudoastronomy. Bring back arcologies!

indeed..sad isn't it when thats...what we want

[K_Dubb]

FYI, here's my Pluto/Charon presentation for that conference, in 2 weeks.

This is great, thanks!

When I was little, my dad got me a book on the history of mapping the earth.  I was fascinated watching all the changes as explorations replaced conjecture, better observations replaced dead reckoning, California appeared, floated away from the mainland, and finally came back again etc.  That's what you guys are doing, with awe-inspiring speed and precision.

[K_Dubb]

More holistic health stuff tonight.  .  Pass
Makes me miss pseudoastronomy. Bring back arcologies!

Yeah, until you get to this part, when it kind of goes off the rails:

Knighted for her humanitarian service, Dr. Michael is a Dame Commander of the Order of St. John in the Orthodox Knights Hospitaller tradition and is the Minister of Health for the Republic of New Lemuria, a country dedicated to peace and healing.

There's still hope!

[trostol]

Yeah, until you get to this part, when it kind of goes off the rails:

There's still hope!

lol wtf...

[Rix Gins]

Hey Trostol, look at the name the scientist's gave to a mountain range on Pluto.

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2016/03/04/nasa-finds-mountain-range-size-alaska-on-pluto.html?intcmp=hplnws

[trostol]

Hey Trostol, look at the name the scientist's gave to a mountain range on Pluto.

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2016/03/04/nasa-finds-mountain-range-size-alaska-on-pluto.html?intcmp=hplnws

kool..they officially named it

[GravitySucks]

Hey Trostol, look at the name the scientist's gave to a mountain range on Pluto.

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2016/03/04/nasa-finds-mountain-range-size-alaska-on-pluto.html?intcmp=hplnws

Hoagland's model predicted that