The Other Side of Midnight - Richard C. Hoagland - Live Chat Thread

[zeebo]

Serious props Astro!!!! Awesome!

Agreed well done astro, you kept your cool and stayed on point and he just refused to go there, which should be obvious to anyone listening.

[astroguy]

FYI, remember that it's late, and my voice is thin, so higher than normal.  But no, I don't have a deep manly voice.

And when he picked up, I had to mute everything and try to start to record on my end.

Also remember that I was "Robert from Wisconsin."

[Textor]

I'm tempted to call and go, "Could you explain the whole 19.5 thing?" I think I can fill up the rest of the show without even having to ask additional questions.

[SciFiAuthor]

Yup, inundate Hoagland with Bellgab calls now. I am picking up the phone now.

[Spinner]

Great call, astroguy!
I just sat here and listened.

[zeebo]

They're definitely running this smooth jazz dude promo too much.

[Textor]

They're definitely running this smooth jazz dude promo too much.

You mean their ONLY promo?

[ShayP]

If I get through I will stroke his ego then drop the hammer.

[astroguy]

It was a tougher rodeo than I thought it would be. Richard is squirrelly.

Yes. He has this inane need to "teach" things and show off how much he knows about things from 50 years ago such that you can never get a word in.  I tried to steamroll past his interruptions but when he asked if I could hear him I figured he might drop me, so I stopped.

[Jackstar]

You mean their ONLY promo?

You guys should start writing scripts. I'll read them for money.

[Claudius]

Oye.  Okay folks, I tried.  That was amazingly difficult trying to actually ask my question.  and I never got to actually ask my question about what he means by "model" (wishy-washy term that he can use to get out of jail free -- wanted to try to pin him down on that).

You did really well. If he detects any descent he instantly becomes Der Hoagland and ruthlessly destroys anyone who dare opposes him.

[Textor]

Yes. He has this inane need to "teach" things and show off how much he knows about things from 50 years ago.

He did start the show out by saying how both Art's guests were wrong because they weren't there.

[whiptrackercracker]

Oye.  Okay folks, I tried.  That was amazingly difficult trying to actually ask my question.  and I never got to actually ask my question about what he means by "model" (wishy-washy term that he can use to get out of jail free -- wanted to try to pin him down on that).

You did a good job man. I tried arguing over the phone with RCH many years ago. He used pretty much the same argument structures. I guess I gave up after that. Glad others keep up the fight.

[lonevoice]

Yup, inundate Hoagland with Bellgab calls now. I am picking up the phone now.

SciFiAuthor, yesss!

[Spinner]

FYI, remember that it's late, and my voice is thin, so higher than normal.  But no, I don't have a deep manly voice.

And when he picked up, I had to mute everything and try to start to record on my end.

Also remember that I was "Robert from Wisconsin."

Yeah, that kind of threw me off at the beginning. I thought it was woman named Robin.  LOL  Until I heard braaps from BellGab - then I knew it was you.

[Morgus]

Also remember that I was "Robert from Wisconsin."

Hoagland can now officially call you a "troll" 

[Claudius]

You did a good job man. I tried arguing over the phone with RCH many years ago. He used pretty much the same argument structures. I guess I gave up after that. Glad others keep up the fight.

What did he use the term model in conjunction with?

[ShayP]

The Force is strong in Trey.

[zeebo]

Yes. He has this inane need to "teach" things and show off how much he knows about things from 50 years ago such that you can never get a word in.  I tried to steamroll past his interruptions but when he asked if I could hear him I figured he might drop me, so I stopped.

It's amazing really, him name-dropping the kodak film processing guy and lecturing us on it's resolution etc. (while not addressing your point about negatives).

[Spinner]

Another BellGaber on the line!

I wonder if RCH is now wondering what "braaps from BellGab" means.

[trostol]

19.5!!!!!!!!

[astroguy]

It's amazing really, him name-dropping the kodak film processing guy and lecturing us on it's resolution etc. (while not addressing your point about negatives).

Yeah, I got annoyed and finally said, "Yeah, we all know that 'cause we listen to you ..."

[SciFiAuthor]

SciFiAuthor, yesss!

Gonna be a rough one after two martinis, but I think the key is to put Hoagland on the defensive. I'm going to ask him why anyone would build domes on planets and moons when an advanced civilization would use nanotech and then lead into an attack on Hoagland for living in the 1950's with his futurism. I hope to use the words "you're wrong, why?" a lot. Hope I get through.

[Spinner]

Yeah, I got annoyed and finally said, "Yeah, we all know that 'cause we listen to you ..."

Priceless.

[lonevoice]

FYI, remember that it's late, and my voice is thin, so higher than normal.  But no, I don't have a deep manly voice.

And when he picked up, I had to mute everything and try to start to record on my end.

Also remember that I was "Robert from Wisconsin."

Your voice was perfect, Robert from Wisconsin.  It was the voice of truth and knowledge.  I've never heard anyone last that long confronting RCH. 

[Claudius]

It's amazing really, him name-dropping the kodak film processing guy and lecturing us on it's resolution etc. (while not addressing your point about negatives).

Roughly quoting him, after Astro said no they arent negatives they are positives, RCH got mad and said no, no it depends on the age! Then says they were actually positives which were turned into negatives.

Also his statement about "computers changing all of the images" really shows how little he actually understands digital photos and doctoring photos.

[Royal_Tenenbaum]

19.5!!!!!!!!

YOU ARE WELCOME. I set that up for you all. The BRAAPS wasn't enough.

[lonevoice]

SciFiAuthor!!!!

[astroguy]

Your voice was perfect, Robert from Wisconsin.  It was the voice of truth and knowledge.  I've never heard anyone last that long confronting RCH.

Thank you.  I tried to put one in for the team.

[ShayP]

This is seriously his sacred cow. He is beyond a true believer, nothing will ever change his mind.

Kinda scary if you think about it.