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Gives me hope!!1

Started by Zoo, January 29, 2015, 04:47:30 PM

Zoo

I am for automated everything especial construction. The less people have to endanger their life for some stupid paycheck the better. Maybe one day things will all be all automated and people will be able to evolve from chasing money to chasing dreams. This gives me hope!!1

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2015/01/26/chinese-firm-builds-a-5-storey-building-using-a-3d-printer/ 

Delphi

That's pretty cool.. 3d printers are becoming better each day.. . First guns, now houses. . Wonder what other uses we will find

This is pretty cool from that company
http://www.yhbm.com/index.php?m=content&c=index&a=lists&catid=69

Heather Wade

My hope is that someday, we'll have real replicators to feed, clothe, & house everyone.  3D printers are putting us on that path. 

Daggit

Quote from: Zoo on January 29, 2015, 04:47:30 PM
I am for automated everything especial construction. The less people have to endanger their life for some stupid paycheck the better. Maybe one day things will all be all automated and people will be able to evolve from chasing money to chasing dreams. This gives me hope!!1

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2015/01/26/chinese-firm-builds-a-5-storey-building-using-a-3d-printer/

Replace one souless master for another!!!!11

It's a cute gimmick, but the simple building pieces they showed in the photos can be fabricated much less expensively and much faster using traditional means.  What exactly is automated here?  If they could print the whole building, or an entire floor, sure.  But making wall panels?  This is not my beautiful house.

ksm32

There is no hope.

Infrastructure and general morality is dead. Cool little trinkets and ideas are far too little far too late. We are on borrowed time as wheat and grain and corn dry up till our last little pitiful scream with no remorseful deathblow from Jesus.

There is NO hope.


ok so what's this video about? guess I shall watch it.


The problem with automation is that it concentrates wealth into the hands of the few who control the machines, which is a contributing factor to the wealth disparity we see right now.  In order to compensate, an increasingly socialist system of wealth sharing must be implemented, which is currently causing a ferocious split in the country between liberal and conservative camps probably unseen since the American Civil War.

The second matter is energy availability.  Energy is the new currency, and if a society has it, it can build and run the automated machines and be free from poverty. If it doesn't it becomes North Korea.  Cheap energy is the key to wealth and prosperity, but the only ways we currently know of to get abundant cheap energy is fraught with problems, and the more we use...  the greater the stress on our immune systems, crop land and real estate, beneficial animals, weather systems, air-filtering forests, international relations, etc.

Automation is great, but it brings a host of social and engineering problems and isn't something that can just be quickly and globally implemented.  It has the potential to cause all the things we don't like.


3D printers are great for taking some manufacturing capabilities out of the hands of corporations and distributing it to end users, but they can't extract and process materials, they can't build cars or passenger planes or complex appliances, they can't grow food, and I don't foresee a day when everyone becomes their own independent power producer.  For the foreseeable future, automation and globalization will increasingly concentrate the wealth into the hands of those who control production of these things.

ks3484

Quote from: (Redacted) on January 29, 2015, 05:03:38 PM
My hope is that someday, we'll have real replicators to feed, clothe, & house everyone.  3D printers are putting us on that path.

Oh oh. :o Have you ever seen The Stepford Wives?

Heather Wade

Sure, I'd love to have a Stepford wife, too.  Heard they make the best cookies & seasonal crafts.

VtaGeezer

Ha. Remember the '70s; when futurists were saying that filling excess leisure time would be a real 21st century issue. They never realized how the robber barons would reappear and obviate the leisure issue by just replacing it with unemployment.

Zoo


I knew I could count some of you to destroy all hope 8) . I am all about the rebirth from the fire but just maybe we do not have to set the fire. :)  It would be nice to see the world change without mass chaos.

But this still gives me hope and I am really excited to see it being used in different ways!!1



https://www.ted.com/talks/anthony_atala_printing_a_human_kidney?language=en

Sorry, I'm in a pissy mood after losing my hard drive and hundreds of hours of work.

I'm for anything that keeps your hope alive  :) .

coaster

Quote from: Georgie For President 2216 on January 29, 2015, 08:57:57 PM
Sorry, I'm in a pissy mood after losing my hard drive and hundreds of hours of work.


Ouch. I've done that.

VtaGeezer

Quote from: Georgie For President 2216 on January 29, 2015, 08:57:57 PM
Sorry, I'm in a pissy mood after losing my hard drive and hundreds of hours of work.

I'm for anything that keeps your hope alive  :) .
Damn, that's a rough one. I got a 2 TB network drive a couple years ago...backs up everything automatically and it's barely a quarter full. 

Thanks for your thoughts  :) .  I guess that's what I get for using a re-manufactured drive and not backing it up.  I haven't exhausted all the possibilities so hopefully it's still recoverable.

ks3484

Quote from: Zoo on January 29, 2015, 08:48:11 PM
I knew I could count some of you to destroy all hope 8) . I am all about the rebirth from the fire but just maybe we do not have to set the fire. :)  It would be nice to see the world change without mass chaos.

But this still gives me hope and I am really excited to see it being used in different ways!!1



https://www.ted.com/talks/anthony_atala_printing_a_human_kidney?language=en



Phoenix Rising
8)

Gd5150

Quote from: Zoo on January 29, 2015, 04:47:30 PM
I am for automated everything especial construction.
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2015/01/26/chinese-firm-builds-a-5-storey-building-using-a-3d-printer/


Everything could be automated now. But what would people do? 95% of government jobs are workfare. The entire tax code exists to create bs jobs. The medical industry is 90% paper pushers. Education is all bs that could be taught online. But how would we hang 100k loans on people.


This really is the problem in the US. We have 100 million people and really only need 100k to run the joint. Soldiers, Police, firemen, waiters, are about the only things you can't automate. People used to have secretaries, now they have a smartphone. Farms used to need 1000 pickers, now they have 1 farmer with a tractor. Politicians used to have interns, wait they still need those.

Kelt

One tech firm in Sweden has begun chipping its employees.   This will allow them access to the building and use of the photocopier.


It's an RFID chip, so the company will be able to monitor their whereabouts at all times, theoretically, if they can tether it to a location app to their cell phones, for example.


RFID chip







VtaGeezer

Quote from: Georgie For President 2216 on January 29, 2015, 10:19:47 PM
Thanks for your thoughts  :) .  I guess that's what I get for using a re-manufactured drive and not backing it up.  I haven't exhausted all the possibilities so hopefully it's still recoverable.
You could always write a nice letter to the NSA and ask for a copy.

b_dubb

There are plans to print replacement organs. Food seems trivial at that point.

3D printing is pointing towards a coming trend of nano fabrication. In the future - in a hundred years or less - you'll be able to fabricate any material you need at molecular level.  Need some gold wire? Dump your trash into a matter converter and out pops some high quality gold wire for your DIY electronics project. Of course materials will have no monetary value at the point save what practical applications something can be used for.

You might think this ridiculous. But the beginnings are already there in how graphene is assembled.

Quote from: b_dubb on January 30, 2015, 07:37:10 PM
You might think this ridiculous.

Oh, no no no, certainly not.  Why would you think that we believe something you say is ridiculous?

Kelt

Quote from: b_dubb on January 30, 2015, 07:37:10 PM
There are plans to print replacement organs. Food seems trivial at that point.

3D printing is pointing towards a coming trend of nano fabrication. In the future - in a hundred years or less - you'll be able to fabricate any material you need at molecular level.  Need some gold wire? Dump your trash into a matter converter and out pops some high quality gold wire for your DIY electronics project. Of course materials will have no monetary value at the point save what practical applications something can be used for.

You might think this ridiculous. But the beginnings are already there in how graphene is assembled.


That would mean that, potentially, I could dump a few stray cats into a nano-fabrication printer and get a perfect, biologically accurate, Angelina Jolie out the other side.


I better go shave my tongue.



Quote from: b_dubb on January 30, 2015, 07:37:10 PM
There are plans to print replacement organs. Food seems trivial at that point.

...  Need some gold wire? Dump your trash into a matter converter and out pops some high quality gold wire for your DIY electronics project...

Undoubtedly home nano-manufacturing has great potential, but I think you'll still need a city-sized atomic accelerator and a personal nuclear fusion power plant to pull that one off.  Well, actually a bunch of nuclear fusion power plants.  The energy requirements to fuse that much material would be enormous.

ks3484

Quote from: Georgie For President 2216 on January 30, 2015, 08:46:22 PM
Undoubtedly home nano-manufacturing has great potential, but I think you'll still need a city-sized atomic accelerator and a personal nuclear fusion power plant to pull that one off.  Well, actually a bunch of nuclear fusion power plants.  The energy requirements to fuse that much material would be enormous.

How about the Sun? Would it have the energy needed?

Quote from: ks3484 on January 31, 2015, 01:36:27 AM
How about the Sun? Would it have the energy needed?

Sure, the amount of solar energy that falls on the Earth is tremendous.  I used fusion as an example because I was looking for a concentrated energy source, trying to imagine doing this in a relatively small physical footprint.

ks3484

Quote from: Georgie For President 2216 on January 31, 2015, 01:52:19 AM
Sure, the amount of solar energy that falls on the Earth is tremendous.  I used fusion as an example because I was looking for a concentrated energy source, trying to imagine doing this in a relatively small physical footprint.

I believe that Worm Holes are caused by other stars. I also believe that Worm Holes emerge at the center of the star causing the Worm Hole. I believe that Worm Holes are doorways to other galaxies and even parallel universes.

If we were to deploy hundreds or thousands of 100'+ by 100'+ foot solar collectors in orbit around the Sun like SOHO, and then beam the energy collected back to Earth based power plants, short term, would leave "a relatively small physical footprint" once achieved.

Being able to go back and forth, in and out of the center of Stars to explore other galaxies and universes, and setting up bases, is only a matter of time, long term.



Is that hope or what??

And we can name each station in succession: Zoo-1, Zoo-2, Zoo-3, etc. etc. etc.

Zoo

Quote from: ks3484 on January 31, 2015, 08:15:05 AM
Is that hope or what??

And we can name each station in succession: Zoo-1, Zoo-2, Zoo-3, etc. etc. etc.

That is some hope  ;D !!1

http://3dprintingindustry.com/food/

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