Art Bell Quits Dark Matter

[samdean]

I'm pretty sure its in New York. Sirius has done this before.
I don't think this would be cheap at all. Probably $800 an hour, with lots of hours going back and forth.
I imagine there are some pretty good NC lawyers in Vegas with the importance of shows to hotel branding.

If it is NY that would bode very well as NY isn't very favorable to NCs.

I think the big misconception here is that there would be "lots of hours going back and forth".

Most of the cost in these matters happens during discovery.  There is no discovery here.

The contract is what it is.  There is no additional evidence needed.  Likely no depositions needed.

[dortmunder]

The case is not difficult.  If he has an "ordinary" attorney in Pahrump that he knows that handles his legal affairs they could probably negotiate it.  I really don't see Sirius fighting this to much if Mr. Bell hires counsel.  Is it worth thousands and thousands of dollars to the company?  Probably not.

Well, then I feel they could have just let him go. But they didn't, so there must be something in it for them to keep him chained up for two years.

[nooryisawesome]

I think sirius doesn't gain much trying to enforce a nc. The only benefit would be to "send a message" to their signed talent and perhaps have less competetion for c2c. I think they don't really care about the later though.

[Uncle Duke]

Where would you get the idea that I don't think it is worth fighting for?

Whether it is "worth fighting for" is up to Art.  There is a cost, risk and benefit  analysis that he has to decide on.

Based on VERY limited hearsay of Art's financial situation, I believe this wouldn't be a major expense to him.  I could be 100% wrong about his financial situation.

Based on my knowledge of the law, I believe his chance to win to be higher than average.

Thus, in my personal view, it is a fight worth having.  But, I am not Art and can't speak for him, nor would I judge whatever decision he makes.

No, my point was your learned colleague said he'd tell Art it wasn't worth fighting for, IHO.  You apparently disagree with that. 

Any downside legally with Art either asking for and/or accepting donations to fund this deal as Ms Sherry suggested?

[EarthAlien007]

The case is not difficult.  If he has an "ordinary" attorney in Pahrump that he knows that handles his legal affairs they could probably negotiate it.  I really don't see Sirius fighting this to much if Mr. Bell hires counsel.  Is it worth thousands and thousands of dollars to the company?  Probably not.

The only ones who have an interest in keeping Art off the air are PremRat and sNoory.
That troll just can't stay away from here. He's so... concerned.

[Upgreyed]

And to think, we were one pizza roll away from this not even being as issue. 

[Marc.Knight]

Thanks for putting that notion out there while the man is lurking on these forums...not that I blame you, I'm sure it's already been thought of.

But then if Dave were to do that, it would certainly be the final death knell for anyone still buying into his nice guy image.

He would somehow make it seem like he was doing Art a favor.  Noory should write a new book:  "The Art of Backstabbing"

[nooryisawesome]

I think if art goes full bore the NC will be reduced at the least. I could see art and sirius agreeing to one year or something too.

[Meanandnasty]

Well, then I feel they could have just let him go. But they didn't, so there must be something in it for them to keep him chained up for two years.

No, who asked, Mr. Bell?  We know where that got him.  Here.  He needs to hire counsel to represent him.  It could be done, with the proper tactics and maneuvering. 

Love Art, but not his negotiating style..

[ItsOver]

...But then if Dave were to do that, it would certainly be the final death knell for anyone still buying into his nice guy image.

Our friendly local dolphin, SciFiAuthor, gave up on Dave yesterday. 

[Jocko Johnson]

The only ones who have an interest in keeping Art off the air are PremRat and sNoory.
That troll just can't stay away from here. He's so... concerned.

He's just here to p/u his pm's from his fans...like he said I'll always answer my pm's. 

[steelbot]

No Eddie, no Aldous, no hope for Art to return to the airwaves.  Quick, someone email me some kitten pictures.

PS:  I mean sweater kittens.

https://www.google.com/search?q=sweater+kittens&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=pgSDUo-aKaSHygGbp4CwCQ&ved=0CE8QsAQ&biw=1920&bih=955

[lonevoice]

I think we can agree that if money isn't an issue he ought to fight it. I'd want to look at tortious with contract against C2C...what exactly were Noory and C2C up to poaching guests and negotiating with Sirius for Art's slot? Pretty shady.

I've been thinking along these same lines: tortious interference with contract rights, tortious interference with business relationships, and bad faith negotiations.   If Art wanted to press this, there are potentially actual damages involved, a more threatening possibility to SiriusXM, Premiere Radio, and, hell, even rope in Clear Channel.  Cast a wide net and rope in alll the deep pockets.  Of course, Art may be willing to drop such allegations in return for merely being released from his NC.

It's fun to imagine the discovery phase...subpoenaing certain internet server records to see if employees and/or shareholders of certain corporations were making actionable statements, interfering with Art's business, attempting to manipulate stock prices or corporate reputations at Art's expense.   I once watched the downfall of a guy who, believing himself to be anonymous, was attempting to manipulate the stock prices of a certain publicly traded company by posting slanderous comments on a yahoo stock message board.  He was shocked to find out how little anonymity he really had, and shocked that a company such as yahoo.com could be forced to provide the records that proved it.  He ended up being ordered to pay several hundred thousand in damages.  Good times, good times.

Of course there's a certain little Crown prince, pretender to the throne, who's made a lot of public statements too...probably more than even his employers are aware of.  It would be so fun to depose him!

#FreeArtBell

[samdean]

No, my point was your learned colleague said he'd tell Art it wasn't worth fighting for, IHO.  You apparently disagree with that. 

Any downside legally with Art either asking for and/or accepting donations to fund this deal as Ms Sherry suggested?

If you had read a little bit further on, that person altered their opinion and said, "I think we can agree that if money isn't an issue he ought to fight it. "

His comment was that it will cost 10's of thousands of dollars, which I agree with. I put the cost in 20-30K range.  His personal opinion was that if Art wasn't willing to part with that type of cash, then he shouldn't fight it, because that is what it will cost... I agree with that 100%.

WORTH is a matter of perspective based on how much money you have.

[Falkie2013]

ok here goes for better or worse and please be kind.

last weekend I got an unsolicited and unrequested email from :

george noory

asking if I ever got my new glasses and that HE would be willing to pay for them because to him " health is the # 1 issue ".

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george@coasttocoastam.com
   
Nov 9 (3 days ago)
      
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Hey GUY from Pittsburgh…hope all is well.



IN all seriousness did you get your glasses fixed? I know you said something about $.....we can help out….if you need it.

When it comes to health issues…that’s #1 on my list.

GN



I thought about it at first and said it would compromise me and leave me open to criticism but I re-thought it and said I would accept only if I could repay him and the proceeds would go to someone else who needs help.

Well that was Saturday. I never got a reply from GN and when he pulled his stuff to take over the DM channel, I discussed it with a few confidants on here and thought it over and said that my sense of honor would be forever stained if I took his money and retracted my acceptance of his offer. I had never asked GN for help nor did I ever expect him to do so, and frankly was astounded that he sent me such an email in the first place.

So... today I told him that after he plunged the knife into Art's back and had said that HE, George Noory, RESPECTED Art, that I could never take his money as he did a despicable thing and that the right thing to do would have been to say NO, I can't do this to Art because it would look bad AND make me look like an opportunist.

Here's what he sent me by way of reply. Note that his " offer " has never been addressed in any subsequent email and that he never replied to my multiple emails. I feel it was a ploy to silence a very visable critic that didn't quite work.

George Noory
   
8:01 PM (33 minutes ago)
      
to me

What is wrong with you!!!!!

We are merely returning to satellite radio…..in OUR time slot. I wish to God Art was back on there but he quit. What PART of that DON'T  you get ?

And this from a guy who claims to help truckers and wants people to give their money to children in foreign lands and offers to help out a guy who doesn't have much money and then when he takes the offer with a codicil to it, ignores the guy.

Here's MY reply to that.

dmitri senda <falkie2013@gmail.com>
   
8:34 PM (0 minutes ago)
      
to George

Your time slot ?

It makes it look like you were in the wings like a vampire just waiting to take over Art's channel practically the minute he left.
And I am not the only one who thinks that.

If you were filled with the respect for Art that you CLAIM to have, you would have said NO, I don't want to undermine Art.

That's what I would have done because I have a sense of honor and don't bite the hand that wound up feeding me by turning over a show to you that you dragged into the ground for 10 years.

Furthermore, you complain that people make fun of you on Bellgab.

Hell, even Art commented on how YOU said that a typhoon that hit Vietnam would bring rain to Hawaii, which is dumb.

I went and checked and asked if it had any effect on Australia and was told no as well.

Go away George.

No one trusts you or believes you anymore.

Including me.

george

While I don't have much money and am hoping to monetize myself, I would have just saved up for my new glasses without GN's help. Most of the things I have I have gotten because I've saved up for them over the years.

So nice of him to fuck with someone who has a low income, isn't it ?

[Xavier]

No, my point was your learned colleague said he'd tell Art it wasn't worth fighting for, IHO.  You apparently disagree with that. 

Any downside legally with Art either asking for and/or accepting donations to fund this deal as Ms Sherry suggested?

Art has made it clear he has money and doesn't need money. Why are you folks so eager to send him your hard earned money? Even for the most loyal fan that's a bridge too far

[shell88]

Well, then I feel they could have just let him go. But they didn't, so there must be something in it for them to keep him chained up for two years.

Spite is a strong motivator.

[Snowdoggie]

If it is NY that would bode very well as NY isn't very favorable to NCs.

I think the big misconception here is that there would be "lots of hours going back and forth".

Most of the cost in these matters happens during discovery.  There is no discovery here.

The contract is what it is.  There is no additional evidence needed.  Likely no depositions needed.

Depends. If you want to determine the intent of the contract, you might want to depose the guy who wrote it. If you think somebody was DDOSing the site to interfere with Art's streaming, subpoenas to internet service providers may be involved. If you think there is funny business between XP/Sirius and Premiere you could send stacks of Requests for Productions and Requests for Admissions to both parties. You could depose Mr. Noory to see what he knows.

There as many ways to run up the bills as there are attorneys in the room. 

[ItsOver]

Well, then I feel they could have just let him go. But they didn't, so there must be something in it for them to keep him chained up for two years.

Who knows what else has gone down with Sirius, outside the NC.  There's things we don't know, as Art's stated.

[Meanandnasty]

Our friendly local dolphin, SciFiAuthor, gave up on Dave yesterday. 

I cried Dolphin tears.  The break-up was a tear-jerker.  No wonder Mr. Noory played  "It's Over" by Roy Oberson.

[nooryisawesome]

He's just here to p/u his pm's from his fans...like he said I'll always answer my pm's.

Yeah he does too... At least the ones I send him.

I wish noory was a nice guy in all honesty. Things would be a lot different. If someone created my golden platter job, I wouldn't have done the Oates thing. Noorys to defensive as well, he struggles to admit flaws other than, he's to much off a nice guy by not dropping people.

[popple]

Is it worth thousands and thousands of dollars to the company?  Probably not.

They need to just let Art go and spend the money they'd save on fixing that damn stream.  But since C2C is now on there they probably don't have to worry about too many people trying to listen at once.

[ItsOver]

He's just here to p/u his pm's from his fans...like he said I'll always answer my pm's.

Jorch likes to keep his BellGab avatar current, too, to reflect his current ass-hat delusions.

[SciFiAuthor]

Our friendly local dolphin, SciFiAuthor, gave up on Dave yesterday. 

Let's not go overboard, lest the dolphin love gif never see the light of day again. Dave's still good for a quickie if the mood is right, but not until my non-compete with the George Noory Sucks thread ends.

[Catsmile]

Our friendly local dolphin, SciFiAuthor, gave up on Dave yesterday. 

He loves the sound of his keyboard clicking to much, plus it's the only way to bait anyone into playing with him.

[Uncle Duke]

If you had read a little bit further on, that person altered their opinion and said, "I think we can agree that if money isn't an issue he ought to fight it. "

His comment was that it will cost 10's of thousands of dollars, which I agree with. I put the cost in 20-30K range.  His personal opinion was that if Art wasn't willing to part with that type of cash, then he shouldn't fight it, because that is what it will cost... I agree with that 100%.

WORTH is a matter of perspective based on how much money you have.

And are willing to spend, which puts us back to the cost/risk analysis.

How about Art soliciting/accepting money for a legal war chest?  Good, bad, or indifferent?

[ItsOver]

Let's not go overboard, lest the dolphin love gif never see the light of day again. Dave's still good for a quickie if the mood is right, but not until my non-compete with the George Noory Sucks thread ends.

LOL.  Thanks for the laugh.  What's up Flipper?

[Falkie2013]

Spite is a strong motivator.

I'd send Art a twenty if it would help him get back at GN, Sirius and the suits at Premrat.

[nooryisawesome]

ok here goes for better or worse and please

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george@coasttocoastam.com
   
Nov 9 (3 days ago)
      
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Hey GUY from Pittsburgh…hope all is well.



IN all seriousness did you get your glasses fixed? I know you said something about $.....we can help out….if you need it.

When it comes to health issues…that’s #1 on my list.

GN



I thought about it at first and said it would compromise me and leave me open to criticism but I re-thought it and said I would accept only if I could repay him and the proceeds would go to someone else who needs help.

Well that was Friday. I never got a reply from GN and when he pulled his stuff to take over the DM channel, I discussed it with a few confidants on here and thought it over and said that my sense of honor would be forever stained if I took his money and retracted my acceptance of his offer. I had never asked GN for help nor did I ever expect him to do so, and frankly was astounded that he sent me such an email in the first  place

Do you still need help with glasses??

[ItsOver]

I cried Dolphin tears.  The break-up was a tear-jerker.  No wonder Mr. Noory played  "It's Over" by Roy Oberson.

But think how happy Tommy is.    He's playing "Back in the Saddle Again."