Art Bell

[SciFiAuthor]

That's the primary difference between the creative aspects of Star Wars and Star Trek.  Star Trek explores other technologies that would advance along with the ability to travel intergalactically...transportation of matter (transporters), generation of matter (food replicator), etc...

Yes, essentially hard-sci vs. soft-sci. Star Trek amazes me, for the most part TNG is still pretty well in line with modern futurism. The explanations for how the techs work are dated, but the techs themselves are for the most part still theoretically possible. 

[Lilith]

In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Falkie...

Amen!

I'll second that!!!

Praise MV!

[SciFiAuthor]

You are leaving out the fun factor. Perhaps this is there "petting zoo".

I hadn't thought of that. I suppose if I were given the opportunity to perform a colonoscopy on a grey, I would jump at the chance. There's a book in this. "I probed a Grey". Look for me doing a promo spot on Dave's show in a few months. Cha ching.

[Lilith]

..."I think, therefore I am", may be the stupidest thing ever said.

I thought it was "I'm pink, therefore I'm spam." 

[eddie dean]

You are leaving out the fun factor. Perhaps this is there "petting zoo".

You are a sick man Onan!
I'm glad I turned down your invitation to attend the petting zoo.

[WildCard]

I thought it was "I'm pink, therefore I'm spam." 

Also true 12 months a year. If I got a fortune cookie that said that, I'd demand to talk to the owner.

[UnscreenedCaller]

You are leaving out the fun factor. Perhaps this is there "petting zoo".

Ha ha ha! That's what I was thinking, too. I have a mental picture of reptilians or maybe preying mantis type aliens showing vacation pictures to their friends, pointing and laughing, or at least clicking their mandibles in a humorous sort of way at the 'anal probe' trick. Those humans - they fall for it every time. Let's see if they'll pull our finger, LULZ!

[Yorkshire pud]

You are a sick man Onan!
I'm glad I turned down your invitation to attend the petting zoo.

Well, you were the one who missed out. Just sayin.

[Faustina]

Tired of you all arguing.  Try to be a little kinder to each other, won't you?  Anyway, there is more important stuff to discuss, like Art's upcoming show.  I have it on good authority that Joe Rogan will be on for the first hour (only).  David Sereda will then be on for the final two hours.

[PB the Deplorable]

Predictions like that aren't exactly sticking your neck out though, are they? It's like predicting forest fires in Summer, or rain in London. I know Art is keen on getting hold of another witch and likes to sing the praises of Evelyn Paglini, but most of her 'predictions' fell into this sort of category, from what I can remember. If you make something vague and general enough I guess you can make a reputation for yourself as a seer.

You beat me to it.  I was up this morning and the earthquake felt like it was right underneath me.

I'm predicting snow in the north for later this year

[onan]

Tired of you all arguing.  Try to be a little kinder to each other, won't you? 

Yeah, that is true. I will be more mindful.

[wr250]

You beat me to it.  I was up this morning and the earthquake felt like it was right underneath me.

I'm predicting snow in the north for later this year

NASA Satellite Discovers Massive Vegetation Die Off

[onan]

I love cats.

[morgana213]

The either/or divisiveness here regarding empirical science vs metaphysics is familiar territory for me.  As someone who's worked as a nurse in the ER for nearly 4 decades, and championed the use of mind/body practices (yes! also in the ER), I've got a foot in both worlds.  I've done my best to try and bridge the gap.  It hasn't been easy, and I've encountered criticism from both camps...
From the Mind-Body people with whom I've studied:  "Western Medicine is poison!"  And from my own colleagues in the ER:  "Go try your voodoo on that one!" 

...Several years ago I cared for an elderly Native American male who was having an MI ("heart attack".)  Due to his advanced age and other risk factors, the doctors and family agreed he was not a candidate for the Cath Lab. The decision was made to treat him in the ER with medications to help dissolve the clot, and for pain.  Before leaving the room to get more medications I noticed his color was gray, and he looked gravely ill.  I couldn't have been gone more than 5-10 minutes, but returned to find the lights had been dimmed and a native ceremony started by his tribe's medicine man. Feathers and other talismans had been placed around my patient who was now sitting upright in bed, eyes closed, with a look of complete peace.  His color and vital signs were improving.  Meanwhile, his cardiologist stood by quietly writing admit orders while I administered the remaining medications.  The best of both worlds, I thought.

His survival that night would make an interesting case study.  Would he have died without Western Medicine?  How much did the mystical Native practices contribute to his survival?  Does it even matter?? 

Today, the use of Mind-Body practices in Western Medicine are generally accepted as harmless adjunctive, complimentary therapies.  Even those that remain unproven via empirical research are encouraged if patients report benefit, heal faster, get discharged sooner, etc.

Uhura, thank you for sharing your stories.  And thank you for what you do.    

[SaucyRossy]

I love cats.

Figures.

[popple]

I love cats.

Me too 

[albrecht]

"crazy" cat ladies might be true? Could this explain all the stories of cat-people who go out of control and have a house literally filled with cats?
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/12/121206203240.htm

[onan]

"crazy" cat ladies might be true? Could this explain all the stories of cat-people who go out of control and have a house literally filled with cats?
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/12/121206203240.htm

Here is food for thought. Infections that limit cognitive function can have a lingering effect for decades after disease is eradicated.

A link would be helpful:

http://ncpedia.org/history/health/hookworms

[FightTheFuture]

NASA Satellite Discovers Massive Vegetation Die Off

[Catsmile]

You think this would explain the probing aspect? Seems like a stretch.

I think being probed by aliens seems like a stretch.

OH MY! Promise, darlings!?

[Lt.Uhura]

I worked in a psychiatric ER for close to three years. I agree it is often surreal. My comment about boundaries was to elicit some practical approach to treatment. In an emergency room, time doesn't allow for therapies that are long in practice. I am quite sure no one is allowed to practice psychic surgery. And if a patient is responding to therapeutic touch, I am pretty certain their stay in the emergency room is shortened dramatically. None of that precludes respecting a patients wishes. But again in an emergency room, at least from my experience, not a great deal of time is spent searching for metaphysical treatments.

Yes of course there are limitations in the ER to using certain mind-body techniques.  Suggestion and intention are probably the easiest methods to use in a busy acute care setting like the ER.  Often when people are in crisis--physical, mental, emotional--their normal barriers are down, providing opportunities for valuable "teachable moments."  I like to introduce self-regulation
modalities to people that incorporate the basics such as;  simple nutrition and dietary changes, sleep hygiene, various forms of meditation, biofeedback. 

From my standpoint, after years of caring for the sick and injured, anything I can do to encourage people to actively participate in their own healing is a step in the right direction.  There is no deep mystery or privileged esoteric knowledge in most mind-body practices.  Given the opportunity they are easily accessible to everyone.

[Lt.Uhura]

Uhura, thank you for sharing your stories.  And thank you for what you do.   

Thank you morgana.  I'll refrain from the sharing the rectal foreign body stories, even though they might be considered on topic with the alien rectal probe posts.  Haha

[FightTheFuture]

Thank you morgana.  I'll refrain from the sharing the rectal foreign body stories, even though they might be considered on topic with the alien rectal probe posts.  Haha

My dear Aunt Janie retired after working nearly 40 years in the ER. She could keep us going all night with the things she had seen. I don't know how you all do it. But, I certainly am very thankful that you do!

That goes for Onan, too.  Mental health, in my opinion, doesn't seem to garner the level of respect and resources that it deserves. Very unfortunate. Especially for so many of my brother and sister vets.

[serenity]

I thought it was "I'm pink, therefore I'm spam." 

You got it! Praise MV ( blessed be his alias )

[aldousburbank]

Yes of course there are limitations in the ER to using certain mind-body techniques.  Suggestion and intention are probably the easiest methods to use in a busy acute care setting like the ER.  Often when people are in crisis--physical, mental, emotional--their normal barriers are down, providing opportunities for valuable "teachable moments."  I like to introduce self-regulation
modalities to people that incorporate the basics such as;  simple nutrition and dietary changes, sleep hygiene, various forms of meditation, biofeedback. 

From my standpoint, after years of caring for the sick and injured, anything I can do to encourage people to actively participate in their own healing is a step in the right direction.  There is no deep mystery or privileged esoteric knowledge in most mind-body practices.  Given the opportunity they are easily accessible to everyone.

Interesting how "treatments" such as Lenny the Batman dude visiting sick kids in hospitals is not dissed, likely because it has no "spiritual" connotations. Yet, it is very basic shamanistic theatre, and I dig it. God bless Lenny.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-batman-killed-by-batmobile-20150817-story.html#navtype=summary

[ACE of CLUBS]

I hadn't thought of that. I suppose if I were given the opportunity to perform a colonoscopy on a grey, I would jump at the chance. There's a book in this. "I probed a Grey". Look for me doing a promo spot on Dave's show in a few months. Cha ching.

Young apprentice Whitley ?

[Lilith]

You got it! Praise MV ( blessed be his alias )

I'm glad somebody else around here knows this stuff!!

[Catsmile]

I love cats.

Puuurrrrr!

[onan]

Yes of course there are limitations in the ER to using certain mind-body techniques.  Suggestion and intention are probably the easiest methods to use in a busy acute care setting like the ER.  Often when people are in crisis--physical, mental, emotional--their normal barriers are down, providing opportunities for valuable "teachable moments."  I like to introduce self-regulation
modalities to people that incorporate the basics such as;  simple nutrition and dietary changes, sleep hygiene, various forms of meditation, biofeedback. 

From my standpoint, after years of caring for the sick and injured, anything I can do to encourage people to actively participate in their own healing is a step in the right direction.  There is no deep mystery or privileged esoteric knowledge in most mind-body practices.  Given the opportunity they are easily accessible to everyone.

It seems to me, that you keep side stepping the issue. Yes of course there are teachable moments. Unlike you, I get to follow patients for at least six months. Health promotion is ongoing. And yes teaching someone they have the power to make healthier choices is always the best strategy. This debate started over metaphysical therapies being as effective as current modalities. Sometimes that is true and other times it isn't.

If you want to discuss acute healthcare versus lifelong strategies, I am right there with you. If you want to consider astrology as an adjunct to treatment, we will part ways. If you want to consider astrology as a life choice for achieving piece of mind, I am willing to talk.

[Chronaut]

I thought it was a pretty epic response, and an interesting read, and not a typical text wall of blather, so i.e., good post. 

Perhaps though if this conversation on metaphysics/spirituality/religion/OBEs/consciousness/etc proceeds it should be in a new thread as it's getting way off-topic. 

Back on topic ... Hey it's Monday, Art's back on tonite!

Thank you zeebo - I'm glad you enjoy the subject as much as I do ;  Is there a topic here?  I jumped in because there were some interesting points being made on subjects that are often featured in the show, so I thought it was fair game.  But some people are bristling, so perhaps there's a more appropriate thread for such discussions?  A few people have raised some good points, and I don't want their time and consideration to be wasted.

I'm looking forward to Joe Rogan - his podcast has been recommended but I've never caught up with him.  I think somebody mentioned that he's sharp on horizon physics topics, and I could listen to that stuff all day =)