Art Bell

[FightTheFuture]

I don't think your boy Schroeder is all that interested in Christianity

First, he`s not "my boy" and second, I never said he was the tiniest bit interested in Christianity.  You know, I`ve noticed that you make an awful lot of assumptions -- usually with a highly smug tone -- the  majority, of which, are grievously inaccurate.

[SredniVashtar]

"I think, therefore I am", may be the stupidest thing ever said.

Let me put in a good word for Descartes here 

Cogito Ergo Sum came out of the age-old question about what can actually be proved. You can doubt practically everything if you try hard enough. The only thing that you can say without qualification is that you are doubting/thinking.

[DesertFox]

Don't think the Art Bell thread is the place for the know it alls when it comes to religion.  As someone else said there are place for this in other parts of the forum.  The only religious question in the Art Bell thread--Is Art Bell one of the Gods of radio and/or streaming?

[SredniVashtar]

First, he`s not "my boy" and second, I never said he was the tiniest bit interested in Christianity.  You know, I`ve noticed that you make an awful lot of assumptions -- usually with a highly smug tone -- the  majority, of which, are grievously inaccurate.

You said Science was the 'best friend' of Christianity while talking about that video. It's a natural conclusion to draw.

I don't know which 'grievously inaccurate' assumptions you are talking about, and that's probably why you haven't mentioned any specifics. I don't know how you can call me smug when you are the one that thinks you have all the answers. I prefer to put my trust in a method that relies on evidence rather than the testimony of a collection of illiterate goat-herders, that's all.

[FightTheFuture]

“I took a test in Existentialism. I left all the answers blank and got 100.”

        -- Woody Allen

[FightTheFuture]

You said Science was the 'best friend' of Christianity while talking about that video. It's a natural conclusion to draw.

NEGATIVE. There you go again. I asked you a very simple question, "who created the universe?"

You were unable to give a cogent response. I provided the video.

[Yorkshire pud]

NEGATIVE. There you go again. I asked you a very simple question, "who created the universe?"

You were unable to give a cogent response. I provided the video.

A video created the Universe? How about that. But probably as valid as any invisible, unprovable deity, that had unlimited wrath to strike down all humanity..hmmmmmm. I'll get back to you.

[wr250]

A video created the Universe? How about that. But probably as valid as any invisible, unprovable deity, that had unlimited wrath to strike down all humanity..hmmmmmm. I'll get back to you.

Q ? is that you?

[SredniVashtar]

I think being probed by aliens seems like a stretch.

It depends on the width of the probe. Ask Whitley 

[twiki]

I think being probed by aliens seems like a stretch.

I assume probes are invoked in order to make the alien abduction stories more believable. I mean who would willingly admit to being anally raped by an alien?

[albrecht]

The either/or divisiveness here regarding empirical science vs metaphysics is familiar territory for me.  As someone who's worked as a nurse in the ER for nearly 4 decades, and championed the use of mind/body practices (yes! also in the ER), I've got a foot in both worlds.  I've done my best to try and bridge the gap.  It hasn't been easy, and I've encountered criticism from both camps...
From the Mind-Body people with whom I've studied:  "Western Medicine is poison!"  And from my own colleagues in the ER:  "Go try your voodoo on that one!" 

...Several years ago I cared for an elderly Native American male who was having an MI ("heart attack".)  Due to his advanced age and other risk factors, the doctors and family agreed he was not a candidate for the Cath Lab. The decision was made to treat him in the ER with medications to help dissolve the clot, and for pain.  Before leaving the room to get more medications I noticed his color was gray, and he looked gravely ill.  I couldn't have been gone more than 5-10 minutes, but returned to find the lights had been dimmed and a native ceremony started by his tribe's medicine man. Feathers and other talismans had been placed around my patient who was now sitting upright in bed, eyes closed, with a look of complete peace.  His color and vital signs were improving.  Meanwhile, his cardiologist stood by quietly writing admit orders while I administered the remaining medications.  The best of both worlds, I thought.

His survival that night would make an interesting case study.  Would he have died without Western Medicine?  How much did the mystical Native practices contribute to his survival?  Does it even matter?? 

Today, the use of Mind-Body practices in Western Medicine are generally accepted as harmless adjunctive, complimentary therapies.  Even those that remain unproven via empirical research are encouraged if patients report benefit, heal faster, get discharged sooner, etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mey1dXTLdeE
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067217/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

[Autistic Star Children]

we had an earthquake this morning, only 4.0 but I only bring it up because I thought I saw on bellgab somewhere that one of Art's recent guests was predicting an earthquake to happen in the bay area in this time frame... Could be way off but any insight would be appreciated!

[Mebee]

Well that's four Weeks in the hopper. Must say it is going very well. Everything seems to be just right and we are making changes and getting things working better all the time.

It sure is a me World out there and we seem to be integrating into it well. The audio quality even knocks my socks off and I am not easy to please in that area.

Again my thanks to my fellow members here on Bell Gab who made much of it possible!

Art

Please don't be afraid to have (Redacted) on the air again. Her knowledge of your own history and previous shows was impressive.

[Mebee]

Oh goodness no, speak however you want; that's the point.  Accent and dialect snobbery is a relict of rotten nineteenth-century European classism that has no place in 'murricah.

It's about people not realizing that their personal speech is being dictated by electronic media and pop culture, rather than any personal awareness and decision-making. It's people doing the same thing as everybody else, but thinking they are showing their independence and individuality by it.

[SredniVashtar]

we had an earthquake this morning, only 4.0 but I only bring it up because I thought I saw on bellgab somewhere that one of Art's recent guests was predicting an earthquake to happen in the bay area in this time frame... Could be way off but any insight would be appreciated!

Predictions like that aren't exactly sticking your neck out though, are they? It's like predicting forest fires in Summer, or rain in London. I know Art is keen on getting hold of another witch and likes to sing the praises of Evelyn Paglini, but most of her 'predictions' fell into this sort of category, from what I can remember. If you make something vague and general enough I guess you can make a reputation for yourself as a seer.

[chefist]

Predictions like that aren't exactly sticking your neck out though, are they? It's like predicting forest fires in Summer, or rain in London. I know Art is keen on getting hold of another witch and likes to sing the praises of Evelyn Paglini, but most of her 'predictions' fell into this sort of category, from what I can remember. If you make something vague and general enough I guess you can make a reputation for yourself as a seer.

Predicted dates are the holy grail...pretty sure that has not happened...I don't even remember someone predicting the tsunami of 2004, where 250,000 died...seems that would have been the one to predict...also, if ghosts are caused by sudden, traumatic death, then those areas of Sri Lanka, Thailand, India, etc should be full of tortured souls...someone should do an investigation there...

[SredniVashtar]

Predicted dates are the holy grail...pretty sure that has not happened...I don't even remember someone predicting the tsunami of 2004, where 250,000 died...seems that would have been the one to predict...also, if ghosts are caused by sudden, traumatic death, then those areas of Sri Lanka, Thailand, India, etc should be full of tortured souls...someone should do an investigation there...

Actually, there was an interesting article I read a few months back about the Japanese tsunami and the odd things that they claimed were happening, with people being possessed by spirits of people who had died in the disaster. I think Japan has more of a connection with the dead than we do, where we tend to sweep it under the carpet, but they keep their memories alive in a tangible way. I'm sure there are people here who are more informed about all of that but it struck me as worthy of note.

[zeebo]

...I figured it’s easier to skip one big message, than wade through a series of messages broken up by each individual commentator.   Eh, it’s still a free country, they say.

I thought it was a pretty epic response, and an interesting read, and not a typical text wall of blather, so i.e., good post. 

Perhaps though if this conversation on metaphysics/spirituality/religion/OBEs/consciousness/etc proceeds it should be in a new thread as it's getting way off-topic. 

Back on topic ... Hey it's Monday, Art's back on tonite!

[chefist]

Actually, there was an interesting article I read a few months back about the Japanese tsunami and the odd things that they claimed were happening, with people being possessed by spirits of people who had died in the disaster. I think Japan has more of a connection with the dead than we do, where we tend to sweep it under the carpet, but they keep their memories alive in a tangible way. I'm sure there are people here who are more informed about all of that but it struck me as worthy of note.

Now that would be an excellent topic for Art to cover!

[cosmic hobo]

Predictions like that aren't exactly sticking your neck out though, are they? It's like predicting forest fires in Summer, or rain in London. I know Art is keen on getting hold of another witch and likes to sing the praises of Evelyn Paglini, but most of her 'predictions' fell into this sort of category, from what I can remember. If you make something vague and general enough I guess you can make a reputation for yourself as a seer.

I always thought it was odd that Art treated Paglini like a seer for predicting Californian wild fires in the height of summer. To top it off she even predicted that they would be deliberately lit. Shock horror. 

[WildCard]

Perhaps though if this conversation on metaphysics/spirituality/religion/OBEs/consciousness/etc proceeds it should be in a new thread as it's getting way off-topic. 

Back on topic ... Hey it's Monday, Art's back on tonite!

And Joe Rogan's the guest. For once, we're actually on topic. This is the pre-show thread.

[Mebee]

No problem!

Isolation tanks and DMT will be brought up as well. As will pot.

He went down the road of "the moon landing may be faked" until he had Niel deGrasse Tyson on o explain to him how it worked. It was one of his best shows.

Rogan also did "chemtrails". After that the rabid conspiracy theorists who believe in that nonsense though he had been bought off, of course.

[SciFiAuthor]

I always thought it was odd that Art treated Paglini like a seer for predicting Californian wild fires in the height of summer. To top it off she even predicted that they would be deliberately lit. Shock horror. 

Paglini threw me. She also made some economic predictions that ended up being eerily accurate. Those too could have been extrapolated, but I must admit she had her spooky moments.

[Gemstone]

I figured it’s easier to skip one big message, than wade through a series of messages broken up by each individual commentator.   Eh, it’s still a free country, they say.

I liked the way you addressed the thoughts.

[Mebee]

I find Rogan to be a great conversationalist and fully entertaining if not informative.

I agree. He does resort to cursing a little too much, IMO. I wonder if he can control that on Art's show.

[Autistic Star Children]

Was more curious to read what the predictions were, not a validation of pending doom in September.

There's a few of us wrestling/mma crossovers listening to Art. Tonight's show will by my favorite show to date.

[SciFiAuthor]

I assume probes are invoked in order to make the alien abduction stories more believable. I mean who would willingly admit to being anally raped by an alien?

The problem with the anal probes is that they imply a level of technology that doesn't make sense. If you're an advanced society, you don't need physical probes of that nature. You'd have all sorts of nanotechnological goodies to probe with.

[WildCard]

Was more curious to read what the predictions were, not a validation of pending doom in September.

You and everybody you've ever known will die. Maybe not in September but still, that's pretty doom n gloom.

[chefist]

The problem with the anal probes is that they imply a level of technology that doesn't make sense. If you're an advanced society, you don't need physical probes of that nature. You'd have all sorts of nanotechnological goodies to probe with.

That's the primary difference between the creative aspects of Star Wars and Star Trek.  Star Trek explores other technologies that would advance along with the ability to travel intergalactically...transportation of matter (transporters), generation of matter (food replicator), etc...

[onan]

The problem with the anal probes is that they imply a level of technology that doesn't make sense. If you're an advanced society, you don't need physical probes of that nature. You'd have all sorts of nanotechnological goodies to probe with.

You are leaving out the fun factor. Perhaps this is there "petting zoo".