George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium

[GravitySucks]

As far as Dames, the links I looked at said he wasn't involved at the beginning and only did a 3 year tour there late in the program.

I read one account where they punked him as they RV'd Santa Claus and had to stop him from issuing some kind of emergency invasion communication.

In his defense, he was prior enlisted, and I know several prior enlisted that had difficulties making their marks because of gaps in service. Especially Reserve Officers on active duty.

The worst one I witnessed was a Captain at Plattsburgh circa 1977. He had been a reserve officer pilot called to active duty in Korea in 53. Then he got called back to active duty in the 60's for Vietnam. By 77 he was still a Captain with 18 years active duty and got riffed. He had to keep doing the same job as an E5 staff seargent for 2 years to get his retirement.

To add insult to injury, he could no longer got to the O club and had to move out of Officer housing into enlisted housing.

All of us that worked with him continued to show him respect, but he sure was a broken man when I saw him last.

By completing his 20 years he was allowed to retire as an O-3 because he had been on active duty as an officer for over 10 years. That experience was enough to keep me from accepting a commission when I got my degree and my 8 years was up.

[PB the Deplorable]

... I feel the need to comment on Dames and his claims to glory.

About 10 yeas ago after hearing Dames a couple of times I had doubts about his claims...  Moreover, I didn't see his track record for accurate predictions and for locating things to be all that great...

Based on frequency of appearance, arrogant personality, and flat out dishonesty, Majorette Dames is one of the three guests from the Coast/Bell universe I detested the most.  The other two being Richard C Hoaxland and Whitley ''Whiny'' Strieber.

Dame's ''remote viewing'' was laughable.  Pathetic.  Anyone should be able to do better than that by simply being somewhat aware of history and human nature, then following current events and suggesting certain outcomes.

It was frustrating listening to Art Bell introduce him and always make a big deal about how accurate his ''predictions'' are.  Noory did the same (I would imagine he still does).  Without ever really saying what any of the ''predictions'' were, that I ever heard.  After the first few times of listening to one of those shows, I'd just turn off the radio the nights he was on, and wonder what the heck was the matter with Art for having him on and plumping up his ''abilities''.  As far as I know he never predicted anything that actually happened, other than the usual taking credit for predicting something by pointing to some vague general comment he'd made - the same ruse all the rest of the ''psychics'' and other people claiming to ''predict'' things do.

I did listen the night he came on Noory's show and insisted his prediction of the location of Steve Fossett's plane was accurate, and promised he would never come on Norry's show again if he was wrong.  It was way off of course - being just another guess and all - yet he's been back tons of times.  Just one more lie. 

[PB the Deplorable]

If this is the best they can do, I think it's good Art is done.  Norry should retire too.

[Kidnostad3]

As far as Dames, the links I looked at said he wasn't involved at the beginning and only did a 3 year tour there late in the program.

I read one account where they punked him as they RV'd Santa Claus and had to stop him from issuing some kind of emergency invasion communication.

In his defense, he was prior enlisted, and I know several prior enlisted that had difficulties making their marks because of gaps in service. Especially Reserve Officers on active duty.

The worst one I witnessed was a Captain at Plattsburgh circa 1977. He had been a reserve officer pilot called to active duty in Korea in 53. Then he got called back to active duty in the 60's for Vietnam. By 77 he was still a Captain with 18 years active duty and got riffed. He had to keep doing the same job as an E5 staff seargent for 2 years to get his retirement.

To add insult to injury, he could no longer got to the O club and had to move out of Officer housing into enlisted housing.

All of us that worked with him continued to show him respect, but he sure was a broken man when I saw him last.

By completing his 20 years he was allowed to retire as an O-3 because he had been on active duty as an officer for over 10 years. That experience was enough to keep me from accepting a commission when I got my degree and my 8 years was up.

So was I.  Do you know how long he was enlisted off hand or what his commissioning source was.   If not don't bother with it as I will research it.

[21st Century Man]

If this is the best they can do, I think it's good Art is done.  Norry should retire too.

Noory says they will have to pry the mike from his cold, dead hands or something to that effect.  He has no plans to retire unfortunately.

[Kidnostad3]

The worst one I witnessed was a Captain at Plattsburgh circa 1977. He had been a reserve officer pilot called to active duty in Korea in 53. Then he got called back to active duty in the 60's for Vietnam. By 77 he was still a Captain with 18 years active duty and got riffed. He had to keep doing the same job as an E5 staff seargent for 2 years to get his retirement.

To add insult to injury, he could no longer got to the O club and had to move out of Officer housing into enlisted housing.

All of us that worked with him continued to show him respect, but he sure was a broken man when I saw him last.

By completing his 20 years he was allowed to retire as an O-3 because he had been on active duty as an officer for over 10 years. That experience was enough to keep me from accepting a commission when I got my degree and my 8 years was up.

I witnessed a similar thing when I fist came in the Navy .   A LCDR who was commissioned from the enlisted ranks through a aviation cadet training program during WWII failed select for CDR with I think about 16 years in.  He was allowed to revert to CPO (E-7) because he retained his permanent enlisted status and was advanced to E-7 while serving as an officer as a hedge against RIF's or failure to select.  One day he was LCDR and the next he was a chief.  The upside is that when he retired on 20 his retirement pay was based on highest rank held which in his case was O-4.

I have heard some real horror stories about officers in the Army and AF being reduced to enlisted satus after Korea and Vietnam as well as WWII.

[GravitySucks]

So was I.  Do you know how long he was enlisted off hand or what his commissioning source was.   If not don't bother with it as I will research it.

I don't remember where I read it, but here is a link with a lot of debunking and dirt.

http://www.ufowatchdog.com/ed_dames.htm

[Kidnostad3]

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I did listen the night he came on Noory's show and insisted his prediction of the location of Steve Fossett's plane was accurate, and promised he would never come on Norry's show again if he was wrong.  It was way off of course - being just another guess and all - yet he's been back tons of times.  Just one more lie.

Dames couldn't find his ass with both hands.  I seem to remember that he claimed that he had rendered invaluable assisstance to a police department somewhere in finding the body of a missing girl.  The police department denied ever hearing from Dames and attributed discovery of the body to someone who basically stumbled over it. 

[albrecht]

I could be wrong but I swear that Ed Dames has pulled the "final tour and then I'm retiring" and "highly trained RVers will do the teaching from now on" shtick before. I can't believe people would pay to take his classes.

[zeebo]

Dame's ''remote viewing'' was laughable.  Pathetic.  Anyone should be able to do better than that by simply being somewhat aware of history and human nature, then following current events and suggesting certain outcomes....

He pulled the classic dodge of ... something's gonna happen, but I'm not sure when.  Well sure, if you don't put a reasonable expiry date on your prediction, then you can never really be wrong lol.  I'll claim right now, that within the next 500 yrs., an Asteroid will blow the top off Mt. Everest - I've 'seen it' - prove me wrong!

I'd rather listen to an actual futurist, who tries to do what you suggested, mapping trends from real data - it may not be accurate either but at least is intellectually honest.  Those Merlin guys are usually pretty interesting, although they do exaggerate their success record imho.

I forget the name of that psychic, who claimed to have predicted the outcome of pres. elections like ten times, and then he totally missed this last one.  George had been fawning over him then tried to get him off the hook for the miss.  He had some lame cop-out like at the time he predicted it it was going that way, but then it changed do to unseen forces.  Well yeah, dummy, i.e. you just agreed with consensus until you got surprised like most everyone else.

[albrecht]

He pulled the classic dodge of ... something's gonna happen, but I'm not sure when.  Well sure, if you don't put an reasonable expiry date on your prediction, then you can never really be wrong lol.  I'll claim right now, that within the next 500 yrs., an Asteroid will blow the top off Mt. Everest - prove me wrong!

I'd rather listen to an actual futurist, who tries to do what you suggested, mapping trends from real data - it may not be accurate either but at least is intellectually honest.  Those Merlin guys are usually pretty interesting, although they do exaggerate their success record imho.

I forget the name of that psychic, who claimed to have predicted the outcome of pres. elections like ten times, and then he totally missed this last one.  George had been fawning over him then tried to get him off the hook for the miss.  He had some lame cop-out like at the time he predicted it it was going that way, but then it changed do to unseen forces.  Well yeah, dummy, i.e. you just agreed with consensus until you got surprised like most everyone else.

I like when the con-artists glom on to terms used in physics, science, etc. Throw a "quantum" or some terms associated with it around a bit and the people will forget you were wrong with so many predictions.

[GravitySucks]

Just when I thought Noory had reached the bottom with Ed Dames, he interviews David Adair tonight.

This guy is definitely mental. Dames doesn't stand a chance against Adair.

[NoMoreNoory]

I got excited about Friday's show for a moment:
"Retired US Marshal with 26 years of federal law enforcement experience, Mark McClish, is a specialist in the interview process"
But sadly, Mr McClish will not be comparing notes with that other great "specialist in the interview process". Joorch is skipping out, replaced by Connie "Giggles" Willis.

[zeebo]

Just when I thought Noory had reached the bottom with Ed Dames, he interviews David Adair tonight.

This guy is definitely mental. Dames doesn't stand a chance against Adair.

Not long ago I re-listened to an old interview Art did with Adair.  Surreal story, and that's putting it kindly. 

[GravitySucks]

Maybe if Adair was telling the truth, he would know it was the North Vietnamese, and not the North Koreans, that were at the Paris Peace talks.

LeMay retired in 1965. The Paris Peace talks didn't even begin until 1968-69 and weren't signed until 1973.

[GravitySucks]

More loose factoids. Shoemaker died 1 year and 5 days before Hale-Bopp was discovered.

Ooops... I was wrong. But he didn't discover it. He studied it with his wife.

[loveslibraries]

holy shit this message board is making me laugh a lot.  it's been a worthy investment of time.

Spudnip !  Nip that spud in tne bud!  1:15.

[zeebo]

Buncha true weirdos calling in.  This last dude wants George to do the show from a cruise ship, with C2C insiders on-board.  Think of sailing the high seas with the likes of Cornelius, Annie, and Bill the AAA.

[(Sandman) Logan-5]

OHHH-MER-GAWD.  Dave just slugged Morgus.   

[NoMoreNoory]

Adair kicked off with a double brown-tongue, congratulating Joorch on his great shirts at 'live events' AND complimented him on his singing. Can anyone confirm if Adair is legally blind and deaf?

Adair's phone went to voice-mail, and Joorch claimed he recently 'sat down with our engineering department' and talked to them about how often the guests' phones develop problems when they start to discuss sensitive issues. Then Joorch invented a huge volume of calls for Adair to get him to stay an extra hour, even though he didn't take the first call until there was less than twenty minutes of the second hour remaining. Joorch will do anything to limit Open Lines.

[PaulAtreides]

So if Fox can fire O'Reilly for being a perv, why can't Premier fire Jorch for being a bore?

[albrecht]

OHHH-MER-GAWD.  Dave just slugged Morgus.   

I'm I getting deja-vu or a Mandela Effect but I swear that Morgus segment was a repeat. Or did they do the same "jokes" and punching stunt again, which would be even worse than just replaying an old recording so Norry could get a turkey sammich.

[ItsOver]

I'm I getting deja-vu or a Mandela Effect but I swear that Morgus segment was a repeat. Or did they do the same "jokes" and punching stunt again, which would be even worse than just replaying an old recording so Norry could get a turkey sammich.

I didn't listen last night, fortunately, but if it was towards the end of the show, you can be pretty sure it was a Morgus replay.  That turkee sammich was calling or Jorch had an early date with Tommee at IHOP.

[zeebo]

I didn't listen last night, fortunately, but if it was towards the end of the show, you can be pretty sure it was a Morgus replay.  That turkee sammich was calling or Jorch had an early date with Tommee at IHOP.

It was ... George introduced it with something like "This is a classic we like to play from time to time, so enjoy ... Oh that Morgus!"  (You could almost hear the studio door slamming as he bailed out early.

And since he'd already held Adair over for a third hour, the 'open lines' ended up being just a measly half hour.  Although I must say there was a surprising number of odd calls during that short time frame. 

In any case, as you suggest, we can assume the IHOP syrup was flowing early last nite.

[zeebo]

So if Fox can fire O'Reilly for being a perv, why can't Premier fire Jorch for being a bore?

I'd assume that in either case all they really care about are advertising dollars.  The sponsors' support for O'Reilly collapsed, while Noory keeps bringing in those sweet tangy tangerine bux.

[PB the Deplorable]

So if Fox can fire O'Reilly for being a perv, why can't Premier fire Jorch for being a bore?

O'Reilly can't sing

[Morgus]

I'm I getting deja-vu or a Mandela Effect but I swear that Morgus segment was a repeat. Or did they do the same "jokes" and punching stunt again, which would be even worse than just replaying an old recording so Norry could get a turkey sammich.

Noory often plays an old recorded bit like last night at the end of an open lines segment night, to cut down the time for open lines even further and so that he can cut out early... 

[albrecht]

Noory often plays an old recorded bit like last night at the end of an open lines segment night, to cut down the time for open lines even further and so that he can cut out early... 

I figured. He always brags about how dedicated he is and so loyal to his listeners that he will come in for a live show on holidays (though this time I guess Good Friday, Easter, and Passover were not considered holidays) but then plays pre-corded old show portions on Open Line nights so he can duck out early and duck callers? Maybe he doesn't have as many callers/listeners as he claims? Considering now there usually only appears to be a few frequent callers I wonder if Tommee doesn't call them up if lines are empty. Or, even worse, these people having nothing better to do ever than call in themselves?

[zeebo]

I like when the con-artists glom on to terms used in physics, science, etc. Throw a "quantum" or some terms associated with it around a bit and the people will forget you were wrong with so many predictions.

"You see, we can predict stuff, but due to quantum fluctuations, just not in a predictable way ..."

[yumyumtree]

Can't decide whether to keep listening  to John Batchelor tonight or switch to Coast to Coast, but I'll probably switch to Coast.