George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium

[21st Century Man]

What bugs me is:

1) Just because scientists are investigating it, and have a working theory, it does not mean they can explain the mind-boggling nature of everything past and present in the universe. 

2) There are so many other interesting topics that would be neat to learn more about, that astronomers actually have a pretty good understanding of .. say the life cycle of stars, the amazing variety of planets recently discovered, the way relativity works in practice, how quantum physics explains so much of our material world, etc.

3) He never asks about actual ongoing space missions, that would require about a half hour of browsing nasa.gov.  What's Cassini up to?  Are the Mars rovers still going?  Where's New Horizons?  How far has Voyager made it?

Right.   I understand and agree with you.  However, Noory only has so much space in his index card file.

[zeebo]

He needs to transition on to discussing paradox.  Which is a lot more mysterious than asking what came before.  Because, i hate to pop his bubble but what came before that, and that, and that back and back and backward in time.  You just cant fixate on what came before, unless you also then focus on what precdeded it, and the previous it, etc...

Our minds are limited.

Good points.  Sometimes I think our struggle to understand such things is like if we explained calculus to a cat.  Might be a really smart cat even, but they're not gonna get past basic arithmetic.   

[zeebo]

Right.   I understand and agree with you.  However, Noory only has so much space in his index card file.

lol, such a limitation, even in a universe this big!

[zeebo]

Fermi paradox. How would aliens consider there can be intelligent life on Earth when the aliens would pick up sNoory on radio waves

omg you may have just solved it ... they heard this show and went into hiding.

[21st Century Man]

Fermi paradox. How would aliens consider there can be intelligent life on Earth when the aliens would pick up sNoory on radio waves

If I was an alien, I'd think about checking back in another million years.  OK, maybe that's an exaggeration.  Let's say maybe checking back in a thousand.

[Zenman]

What bugs me is:

1) Just because scientists are investigating it, and have a working theory, it does not mean they can explain the mind-boggling nature of everything past and present in the universe. 

2) There are so many other interesting topics that would be neat to learn more about, that astronomers actually have a pretty good understanding of .. say the life cycle of stars, the amazing variety of planets recently discovered, the way relativity works in practice, how quantum physics explains so much of our material world, etc.

3) He never asks about actual ongoing space missions, that would require about a half hour of browsing nasa.gov.  What's Cassini up to?  Are the Mars rovers still going?  Where's New Horizons?  How far has Voyager made it?

Yep, good points, zeeb. We can always hope the callers ask some interesting questions. Fortunately, Cox is pretty animated and interesting, making compelling questions less critical.

[GravitySucks]

If I was an alien, I'd think about checking back in another million years.  OK, maybe that's an exaggeration.  Let's say maybe checking back in a thousand.

They would hear Dexter Monterrey or whatever his reincarnated name is supposed to be and go for the full million.

[21st Century Man]

Yep, good points, zeeb. We can always hope the callers ask some interesting questions. Fortunately, Cox is pretty animated and interesting, making compelling questions less critical.

Yes, I agree even with my predisposition to not like the guy, I am enjoying Cox.  He doesn't seem to be as close-minded as some other scientists.

[zeebo]

Yep, good points, zeeb. We can always hope the callers ask some interesting questions. Fortunately, Cox is pretty animated and interesting, making compelling questions less critical.

Hey Zen, yep the best guests are the ones that sidestep the worst questions and just do mini-monologues, LMH-style.   

[Zenman]

I had to force myself to stop writing 'favourite'.  It just looks better, but browser doesn't like it.  A little U.S.-centric, this spell-checker is.

Sounds like one of those anti-Limey spell-checkers.

[21st Century Man]

They would hear Dexter Monterrey or whatever his reincarnated name is supposed to be and go for the full million.

I'd probably have to cross off the Earth as a lost cause then.

[zeebo]

Yes, I agree even with my predisposition to not like the guy, I am enjoying Cox.  He doesn't seem to be as close-minded as some other scientists.

I really like his idea of science being a humble pursuit, and his quotes from Sagan and Feynman which speak to that view. 

[Zenman]

Fermi paradox. How would aliens consider there can be intelligent life on Earth when the aliens would pick up sNoory on radio waves

Could work to our advantage tho. When they come to conquer Earth, they may vastly underestimate us.

[zeebo]

Could work to our advantage tho. When they come to conquer Earth, they may vastly underestimate us.

"Take us to your Noory!"

[PB the Deplorable]

''Dexter gets it''

[Zenman]

"Take us to your Noory!"

Lol, all your Noorys are belong to us!

Whatever happened to Baghdad Bob anyway? Does he have a show now?

[zeebo]

I think this is the experiment that was mentioned.  I've never heard of this before, would have loved to hear more about it.  As usual George asked no follow-up to it.  Hoagie probably could have done a whole show just on this.

The Schiehallion experiment was an 18th-century experiment to determine the mean density of the Earth. Funded by a grant from the Royal Society, it was conducted in the summer of 1774 around the Scottish mountain of Schiehallion, Perthshire. The experiment involved measuring the tiny deflection of a pendulum due to the gravitational attraction of a nearby mountain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schiehallion_experiment

[21st Century Man]

Lol, all your Noorys are belong to us!

Whatever happened to Baghdad Bob anyway? Does he have a show now?

LOL. He moved to the United Arab Emirates and may be dead.  He was apparently very ill in 2014 and no one has heard anything since.  He cooperated with the US and remained free.

[Zenman]

I think this is the experiment that was mentioned.  I've never heard of this before, would have loved to hear more about it.  As usual George asked no follow-up to it.  Hoagie probably could have done a whole show just on this.

The Schiehallion experiment was an 18th-century experiment to determine the mean density of the Earth. Funded by a grant from the Royal Society, it was conducted in the summer of 1774 around the Scottish mountain of Schiehallion, Perthshire. The experiment involved measuring the tiny deflection of a pendulum due to the gravitational attraction of a nearby mountain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schiehallion_experiment

Yeah, I noticed that. Noory tries not to let anybody get onto anything too particularly interesting.

Well I actually enjoyed the show. Nice mix of kooky and science.

[Zenman]

LOL. He moved to the United Arab Emirates and may be dead.  He was apparently very ill in 2014 and no one has heard anything since.  He cooperated with the US and remained free.

Bob, along with Colin Powell, was an entertaining part of that war.

[21st Century Man]

I missed the news so I'm going to listen until fifteen after.

[Zenman]

I missed the news so I'm going to listen until fifteen after.

I get my news from Noory and Alex Jones too. 

[21st Century Man]

Bob, along with Colin Powell, was an entertaining part of that war.

Yes he was.   If he's gone then may he RIP.  If not, I wish him well.

[CronkitesGhost]

Thanks to the Coast caller who gave me a good bellylaugh.  Jorch manages to get an intelligent guest, I presume he's a physicist/astronomer or science journalist, first he's got to run the gauntlet of Jorch's usual 'what was before the Big Bang? what is it expanding into? what shape is it?' questions then Jorch unleashes the stupidity of his listeners on the guest.  'What about rainbows? What makes a rainbow?' LOL WTF

[21st Century Man]

I get my news from Noory and Alex Jones too. 

LOL. Only listen to the worst in the biz.  I'll see y'all later.  Had a great time.

[=Schlyder=]

........ Jorch manages to get an intelligent guest, I presume he's a physicist/astronomer or science journalist, first he's got to run the gauntlet of Jorch's usual 'what was before the Big Bang? what is it expanding into? what shape is it?' questions then Jorch unleashes the stupidity of his listeners on the guest.  'What about rainbows? What makes a rainbow?' LOL WTF

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Cox_(physicist)

[NoMoreNoory]

An immigrant Limey struggling under the bondage of US English Autocorrect writes:
What really annoys me about Noory and the Big Bang is not that he asks about it: that's always valid (though everyone should remember that the term was first applied sarcastically to describe this model of the origins of the universe). What's annoying is that absolutely nothing moves forward in his head as a result. In other words, there is no genuine intellectual curiosity in his questioning: he just trots out the same stupid question for the sake of it and because he's too stupid and lazy to frame a more valid objection than 'I just don't get it', with the accompanying arrogance that suggests the whole of scientific enquiry should grind to a halt because the great George Noory doesn't 'get it'.
He recently had Neil deGrasse Tyson explain all this to him at some length, and now Brian Cox does the same. The really annoying thing is that absolutely nothing in Little Georgie's grey matter will move forward and next time he has a scientist of this caliber on the show he will trot out exactly the same line.
And whether CERN can see ghosts or not does not alter the mind-bending reality of what it has achieved in its young life, and whenever CERN is discussed, Americans should hang their heads in shame, observe a minute's silence and lower flags to half-mast or, in US English, -staff. It should have been here, in Texas, bigger and better than it is. That it didn't was because lawmakers (mainly Republicans) in Congress blocked it on the grounds of wasting money and 'playing God'. Alongside the invasion of Iraq, that represents the single worst decision in modern American history. America's philistinism is Europe's triumph, I'm afraid.

[GravitySucks]

An immigrant Limey struggling under the bondage of US English Autocorrect writes:
What really annoys me about Noory and the Big Bang is not that he asks about it: that's always valid (though everyone should remember that the term was first applied sarcastically to describe this model of the origins of the universe). What's annoying is that absolutely nothing moves forward in his head as a result. In other words, there is no genuine intellectual curiosity in his questioning: he just trots out the same stupid question for the sake of it and because he's too stupid and lazy to frame a more valid objection than 'I just don't get it', with the accompanying arrogance that suggests the whole of scientific enquiry should grind to a halt because the great George Noory doesn't 'get it'.
He recently had Neil deGrasse Tyson explain all this to him at some length, and now Brian Cox does the same. The really annoying thing is that absolutely nothing in Little Georgie's grey matter will move forward and next time he has a scientist of this caliber on the show he will trot out exactly the same line.
And whether CERN can see ghosts or not does not alter the mind-bending reality of what it has achieved in its young life, and whenever CERN is discussed, Americans should hang their heads in shame, observe a minute's silence and lower flags to half-mast or, in US English, -staff. It should have been here, in Texas, bigger and better than it is. That it didn't was because lawmakers (mainly Republicans) in Congress blocked it on the grounds of wasting money and 'playing God'. Alongside the invasion of Iraq, that represents the single worst decision in modern American history. America's philistinism is Europe's triumph, I'm afraid.

This article doesn't mention the issue, but I remember one of the key technical hurdles and risks that could never be properly addressed by the proponents was the shear magnitude of the amount of magnets required by the SSC. I can remember that the world did not have enough manufacturing capacity for the electromagnets required for the 52 mile SSC.

I would have liked to have had it completed, but I am not sure it ever could have been completed for anything near the original budget and schedule. Why would this have been the one government megaproject that came in on budget and on schedule?

I distinctly remember the engineers at JSC doubting that it could ever be completed simply because the magnets could not be built in any reasonable timeframe.

The was one of the biggest eminent domain cases in Texas history. Those that were the proponents of eminent domain last century for the SSC will surely support its use in building the border wall. If not support, then surely acknowledgement that it is legal. 

http://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/how-texas-lost-the-worlds-largest-super-collider/

This is a decent article. It describes how the project had escalated to twice the original estimate by the time it was cancelled.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-supercollider-that-never-was/

Edit: here is a GAO report that does acknowledge the issue with the magnets and how they still had not built and tested one by the time of the project's cancellation in 1992.

http://www.gao.gov/assets/220/213922.pdf

[PB the Deplorable]

... Alongside the invasion of Iraq, that represents the single worst decision in modern American history. America's philistinism is Europe's triumph, I'm afraid.

As long as it was built, and built in the democratic West, what difference does it make really?  There are plenty of worse decisions than not building it in Texas, starting with the elections of Clinton, Bush II, Obama, and Trump. 

[Kidnostad3]

I just finished listening to the C2C show for 4/17/17.  (I've stopped including in my post on this thread the face saving statement to the effect that I'm not a regular listener and only download the podcast on the rare occasion when a truly interesting guest is being interviewed.)  In the Ed Dames segment the Major, in his usual matter of fact tone, tells us of his singular achievements while in the Army and since getting out that have contributed so much to our understanding of all that is the focus of his remote viewing from the ET presence to the whereabouts of missing children, downed aircraft and lost treasure.  Of course he let's us know several times that he is in the U.S. to do a "farewell tour" of selected cities that includes a one day "crash" course in remote viewing.  After listening to the whole interview, all the while reminding myself that my purpose in downloading the podcast was to listen to Brian Cox, I feel the need to comment on Dames and his claims to glory.

About 10 yeas ago after hearing Dames a couple of times I had doubts about his claims when I found many of the details he provided to be inconsistent with what I know to be true from my own experience in the military.  I did not have a problem the idea of human beings being able to remotely view or the military's attempt to exploit that ability for the purpose of intelligence gathering.  What did gave me considerable heartburn was Dames' inconsistencies and his sensational claims such as his having definitive knowledge of the composition and aims of an intergalactic federation.   Moreover, I didn't see his track record for accurate predictions and for locating things to be all that great.    Having these doubts, I did an internet search to find out more about his background and the veracity of his assertIons.  (In fact, my research on Dames led me to BelGab.)  I came across a number of websites wherein Dames was deemed to be a bullshit artist in the kindest appraisals and a fraud in the harshest.   His worst critics seemed to be those who served with him in the Army's remote viewing project who say that in public statements Dames has grossly inflated his role in that effort which for the most part was administrative.  He himself was not a remote viewer.  Admittedly, I may have been driven to find these things by my dislike of self-aggrandizing narcissistic types and may have been subject to confirmation bias, but I have honestly not read or heard anything in the past 10 years or so from or about Dames that would change my low opinion of him.

With regard to Dames "decision" to leave the military, in all services there are officer career paths that lead to promotion all the way up to 4 stars.  It goes from leading platoons and companies or shipboard divisions at the junior officer level through intermediate assignments of increasing responsibility to command of army brigades Air wings, deep draft ships or squadrons of ships at the Colonel/Navy Captain level.  It includes assignments to post graduate schools, various service war colleges, tours on the staff of a flag or general officer and postings to joint and combined staffs. The paths vary between line or staff officer specialties and warfare communities but all involve a narrowing in the number selected at each stage in advancing to the apex of the pyramid.  This process is referred to as "getting ones tickets punched" and competition for advancement to each step is intense with many good to excellent officers being winnowed out in favor of officers who are evaluated as outstanding or "head and shoulders" above contemporaries.  Some in the later category are earmarked early in their careers as having the potential to wear stars and others acquire that potential more gradually.   

In the case of Dames, his assignment  as a Major outside of the normal career path to a project involving something as offbeat as remote viewing is a sure sign that, despite his crowing about his being a "decorated" army officer on his way up, he was in fact not expected to be selected for LTCOL (paygrade O-5).  LTCOL or CDR (Navy) is the minimum rank to which a good officer would be expected to rise and he would be in zone for selection to O-6 (COL or CAPT) in year 18-21 unless he is early selected.  The promotion zones vary between services and depend on the total officer end strength authorized by Congress in a given fiscal year but the foregoing is generally true.  Dames got out at the 20 year mark as a Major (O-4) which is the minimum number of years required for retirement with benefits at 50% of base pay.  Having failed selection to LTCol Dames would not have had the option of remaining on active duty beyond 20 years having reached the point of mandatory retirement dictated by statute.  His retirement was not a matter choice as he indicates.

I enjoyed the interview with Brian Cox despite Noory's inane comments.  I particularly liked it when Jorch, after a clear response to the same question a few minutes earlier, again asked Cox  "what was there before the Big Bang."  Obviously frustrated, Cox put the thrust of his previous more elaborate response in terms that Jorch could understand by saying "I don't know."