George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium

[stevesh]

I get masochism; I really do. I also get that some need the feeling of being able to submit and give control of themselves to someone else, done so with informed consent; I also know that immense pleasure can be experienced by all concerned...What I don't get is why anyone would listen to a radio show or watch a television programme to the end, and then spend hours and hours complaining about it. Is it rational? I'm genuinely interested. The only conclusions I can come to is the forlorn hope that (in this case) the show will miraculously get better hafway through or the host being pilloried isn't that bad after all, and he's 'in' on the negative comments. Why listen if it's that bad?

I won't go into the main reason I listen to C2C every night again, but it would be hard to comment intelligently on the show, its hosts or its guests without listening, and this forum mostly exists for the purpose of that commentary, so ...

[Yorkshire pud]

I won't go into the main reason I listen to C2C every night again, but it would be hard to comment intelligently on the show, its hosts or its guests without listening, and this forum mostly exists for the purpose of that commentary, so ...

Hmm, but it still doesn't address why if it's that bad, anyone would listen to it..For example here in the UK (and regretably I believe it's been exported over the pond, I offer my condolences) we have a disgusting exploiter of the simple, feckless, ugly, obese and addicted; Jeremy Kyle. I watched it once on purpose, and I've had the misfortune to have seen it at a friends house..I won't watch it again. Why? Because it's disgusting bear baiting, and a programme using animals wouldn't get past the initial idea in a fevered nightmare.

Is it that George Noory is the guy people love to hate? Hatred when all said and done destroys the one doing the hating due to the emotional expenditure...hey ho..   

[stevesh]

Hmm, but it still doesn't address why if it's that bad, anyone would listen to it..For example here in the UK (and regretably I believe it's been exported over the pond, I offer my condolences) we have a disgusting exploiter of the simple, feckless, ugly, obese and addicted; Jeremy Kyle. I watched it once on purpose, and I've had the misfortune to have seen it at a friends house..I won't watch it again. Why? Because it's disgusting bear baiting, and a programme using animals wouldn't get past the initial idea in a fevered nightmare.

Is it that George Noory is the guy people love to hate? Hatred when all said and done destroys the one doing the hating due to the emotional expenditure...hey ho.. 

Can't speak for anyone but myself, but I don't listen to hear Noory, but rather the guests. Noory isn't bad enough to ruin the whole experience for me, at least not yet. Many guests are capable of carrying the show on their own, so Noory's regular two-syllable interjections are just noise, like static on your radio.

I don't think American TV has sunk as low as bear-baiting yet, but American Hoggers (attacking feral pigs with packs of dogs) comes close.

[Mind Flayer Monk]

Is it rational? I'm genuinely interested. The only conclusions I can come to is the forlorn hope that (in this case) the show will miraculously get better hafway through or the host being pilloried isn't that bad after all, and he's 'in' on the negative comments. Why listen if it's that bad?

Well this is a little different because of how good the show used to be. The show used to be lots of fun. I like to think of it as being a Kansas City Royals fan. A once great baseball franchise that faced a big change (tv market revenue in baseball) and has been horrible for 25 years since. Fans are still there, I still enjoy the team but many have become frustrated and started focusing on other regional teams (the Cardinals). Similar arguments to yours are posed to people that remain fans.
In your case, it would be like Tom Hicks owning Liverpool for 10 years. Do you just give up and start rooting for another team?


The pith of Art's Coast to Coast (campfire ghost stories in the night ie 'somethings gonna get you' ) is still good, just everything else is bad. Other shows haven't figured this out yet.

[Tara]

I won't go into the main reason I listen to C2C every night again, but it would be hard to comment intelligently on the show, its hosts or its guests without listening, and this forum mostly exists for the purpose of that commentary, so ...

I rarely, if ever, listen to C2C anymore.  But to you current C2C listeners:  please keep on listening! I enjoy reading your entertaining posts and seeing Paper Boy's great cartoons. 

[ufogadfly]

Can't speak for anyone but myself, but I don't listen to hear Noory, but rather the guests. Noory isn't bad enough to ruin the whole experience for me, at least not yet. Many guests are capable of carrying the show on their own, so Noory's regular two-syllable interjections are just noise, like static on your radio.

I don't think American TV has sunk as low as bear-baiting yet, but American Hoggers (attacking feral pigs with packs of dogs) comes close.

Thanks for saving me from writing a much longer reply. I listen because I'm a lifelong student of the subjects the show covers and it's an easy way to keep up on them, despite GN's myriad shorcomings. But sometimes I wonder if it's worth getting as upset as I do with the host.

[PB the Deplorable]

I rarely, if ever, listen to C2C anymore.  But to you current C2C listeners:  please keep on listening! I enjoy reading your entertaining posts and seeing Paper Boy's great cartoons.

I haven't listened for at least a couple years either, other than maybe part of a segment (at most) here and there if I'm in the car at night.  I used to listen to George's show for the guests - and to stay with it for when George was finally replaced - but George ruins shows with even good guests, and I realized George wasn't going anywhere.  But George was so bad it was funny, at that point I realized  I was just listening for the unintentional comedy - which never disappointed.  Then it got so bad - less funny - it just wasn't worth it anymore. 

But George is such a great character study - a creepy lazy moron with no knowledge, understanding or interest in the world around him, with a large yet fragile ego, bumbles his way onto a syndicated job, refuses to do it well or even try to get better, but still keeps it.  And I do enjoy the posts of people still listening.

[Sardondi]

Hmm, but it still doesn't address why if it's that bad, anyone would listen to it..For example here in the UK (and regretably I believe it's been exported over the pond, I offer my condolences) we have a disgusting exploiter of the simple, feckless, ugly, obese and addicted; Jeremy Kyle. I watched it once on purpose, and I've had the misfortune to have seen it at a friends house..I won't watch it again. Why? Because it's disgusting bear baiting, and a programme using animals wouldn't get past the initial idea in a fevered nightmare.

Is it that George Noory is the guy people love to hate? Hatred when all said and done destroys the one doing the hating due to the emotional expenditure...hey ho.. 

(Ah, the good old passive-aggressive smiley: "You're a disgusting twat. Only an ignorant asshole could listen to the man! Tee hee! Just kidding!")

After reading how stupid everyone here is for, well, pretty much for simply being here, I feel I must ask this question: Just why the hell are you here? To be amused from the sideline? To pontificate; make pronouncements ex cathedra about the failings of the lesser mortals? Or merely piss in the room and go home?

[Yorkshire pud]

(Ah, the good old passive-aggressive smiley: "You're a disgusting twat. Only an ignorant asshole could listen to the man! Tee hee! Just kidding!")

After reading how stupid everyone here is for, well, pretty much for simply being here, I feel I must ask this question: Just why the hell are you here? To be amused from the sideline? To pontificate; make pronouncements ex cathedra about the failings of the lesser mortals? Or merely piss in the room and go home?

I'm just going to get paranoid now..you're following me around...And I don't know any Latin. Oh I do..Quidquid Latine dictum sit altum videtur.

If you feel you're a lesser mortal then you have my sincere commiserations, I on the other hand don't think it of you or anyone else..well, that's not true, there are as yet undiscovered micro organisms more advanced on the evolutionary scale than Alex Jones.

[Sardondi]

I'm just going to get paranoid now..you're following me around...

Said he incapable of not making a retort. Seriously though, you wore out anyone who would listen to C2C and thereafter complain, implying they were masochists; and in your standard, mocking style you professed amazement at this behavior, which quite a few people here indulge in, for a variety of reasons.

Why are you here if not simply to amuse yourself by ridiculing not just this behavior but that of so many other Americans who do not seem to meet with your approval?

[lordofinsanity]

I just thoroughly enjoyed a repeat of last nights show with John B Wells. I'll admit, JBW would be a welcome host to replace the current one. He's intelligent, engaging, and asks interesting, intelligent questions.

Yep, he gets my vote. Now, how do we get rid of the village idiot?

[HAL 9000]

Now, how do we get rid of the village idiot?

By reading this post:

http://coastgab.com/index.php/topic,2136.msg94927.html#msg94927

and taking whatever action you deem appropriate 

[SomeVelvetMorning]

I get masochism; I really do. I also get that some need the feeling of being able to submit and give control of themselves to someone else, done so with informed consent; I also know that immense pleasure can be experienced by all concerned...What I don't get is why anyone would listen to a radio show or watch a television programme to the end, and then spend hours and hours complaining about it. Is it rational? I'm genuinely interested. The only conclusions I can come to is the forlorn hope that (in this case) the show will miraculously get better hafway through or the host being pilloried isn't that bad after all, and he's 'in' on the negative comments. Why listen if it's that bad?

Have you ever had a really favorite restaurant or pub, where you had the best times of your life, that gets sold to new ownership?  The new owners come in and redo everything from the menu to the seating to the decorations.  Suddenly the old place that you loved is now gone.  Still you cannot help but drop by the old location, look at the mess they have made, and sigh as you remember the good old days.
Many of us simply drive by occasionally and take a peak at the mess that the Snoreon and company have made of our once favorite hangout.  I personally feel that I was robbed of one of the pleasures of my life in hearing Art Bell type broadcasts day after day.  I often tune in hoping that I just had a bad dream, none of the Noreon stuff ever happened, and I will hear the lucid tones of Art Bell once again.  After a few minutes, I switch off the radio and vow that I am going to have to wake up from this bad dream soon.

[Mels-hole1984]

I can't find anything wrong with Alex Jones's rant...except he acted like an ass at the end there with his english accent...Other than that I think he was spot on...

[lordofinsanity]

By reading this post:

http://coastgab.com/index.php/topic,2136.msg94927.html#msg94927

and taking whatever action you deem appropriate 

You mean......am I.......am I reading that correctly? Art??

Well woofreakinhoo!! Thanks for that, I will take appropriate measures to facilitate this
But first I need to make sure this is not one of those dream sequences, i go through from time to time (drrrrt drrrrt drrrrt drrrrrt drrrrrt drrrrrrt)   

[lonevoice]

Hahaha!  George Noory Sucks!   And, if Art's desire remains strong, and he can work something out to his complete satisfaction, he's going to come back and kick George's rear end for us for the collective national horror Jorch has subjected us to for 10 years.   

[lordofinsanity]

Hahaha!  George Noory Sucks!   And, if Art's desire remains strong, and he can work something out to his complete satisfaction, he's going to come back and kick George's rear end for us for the collective national horror Jorch has subjected us to for 10 years.

Yep, no more phoning it in!! A little passion, is all we want. Is that too much to ask?

[popple]

I just thoroughly enjoyed a repeat of last nights show with John B Wells. I'll admit, JBW would be a welcome host to replace the current one. He's intelligent, engaging, and asks interesting, intelligent questions.

Yep, he gets my vote. Now, how do we get rid of the village idiot?

What if something were to happen to Jorch while on vacation? Say he has an encounter with a frozen pizza roll delivery truck.... it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility.

[somatichypermutation]

I think George's pizza roll thing is just more Art Bell imitation on his part - remember Art and the super glue?

[At the stroke of midnight]

Have you ever had a really favorite restaurant or pub, where you had the best times of your life, that gets sold to new ownership?  The new owners come in and redo everything from the menu to the seating to the decorations.  Suddenly the old place that you loved is now gone.  Still you cannot help but drop by the old location, look at the mess they have made, and sigh as you remember the good old days.
Many of us simply drive by occasionally and take a peak at the mess that the Snoreon and company have made of our once favorite hangout.  I personally feel that I was robbed of one of the pleasures of my life in hearing Art Bell type broadcasts day after day.  I often tune in hoping that I just had a bad dream, none of the Noreon stuff ever happened, and I will hear the lucid tones of Art Bell once again.  After a few minutes, I switch off the radio and vow that I am going to have to wake up from this bad dream soon.

I saw that happen one time to a place called the Rock Creek Tavern. In it's heyday people would drive fifty miles to go there on a Sat. night. When new owners took over, their plan was to attract a gentrified crowd with more money to spend. For about a year the regulars tried to hang on, but they looked pitifully out of place leaning on the bar, surrounded by folks drinking cocktails on an antique bar that formerly only held pitchers of beer. Finally even the regulars were gone. Several years later the place burned to the ground. Maybe it was karma, but it's a great analogy for what happened to C2C.


What I've noticed in the first three days of the Snooron's vacation, is how much more adult C2C has been sounding. Romper Room has been brought up here several times, and for good reason. What Jorch transformed C2C into is essentially a children's radio program - even if many of these kiddies are gray at the temple and long in the tooth.

[popple]

I think George's pizza roll thing is just more Art Bell imitation on his part - remember Art and the super glue?

I think that crossed all our minds when the news broke. They teased us about an extraordinary encounter for days...

[mombird3]

You might be right. I thought the pizza roll might have been a cover up. Maybe George was called into the executives at Premier.

[Doomed]

One HUGE problem noory has, the show never changes. It is the same stuff over and over and over. You may say that Art never changed the program much during his tenure, and the truth is, he didnt have to. Why? Because instead of trying lame gimmicks llike split formats or who's behind the door, Art kept adding new and unusual guests to his rollodex. Over the years Mr. Bell gathered together a group of people from all sorts of vocations, to come on the show and tell us all about it. If one nights guest didnt do it for you, chances are the next night would be a winner. Even if a guest turned out to be a dud, odds are a caller would spice it up and infuse the rest of the show with an angle we hadnt thought of. Time and time again I listened as Art turned a turd into a diamond, and he did it consistantly.
For the past ten years we've endured noory and his 'sameness' night after night. George has whittled down the guest roster to a precious few, and many of those are less than stellar. Attempting to spice it up, noory devoted whole shows to...weight loss? Clean living? Over the hill "celebrities" hanging on to that last gasp of fame??? The regulars are so regular one can almost recite their subject word by word. Why? Because we heard it last week!! (I give you the Numbers Lady by example) The format of the show is easy to understand. Its a talk show, dummy! Its not about filling four hours a night by simply talking. Its about making the time listening worth while for the listener. Noory thinks he is the hero of the day by just showing up each night. Art went out of his way to learn about his guests and then taking the most tantalizing aspect of the guest and capitolizing on that. If the guest was truely helpless, out the door they went and we had open lines. And we all remember open lines when Art was at the helm, dont we? It was, indeed, a ride.

[stevesh]

Have you ever had a really favorite restaurant or pub, where you had the best times of your life, that gets sold to new ownership?  The new owners come in and redo everything from the menu to the seating to the decorations.  Suddenly the old place that you loved is now gone.  Still you cannot help but drop by the old location, look at the mess they have made, and sigh as you remember the good old days.
Many of us simply drive by occasionally and take a peak at the mess that the Snoreon and company have made of our once favorite hangout.  I personally feel that I was robbed of one of the pleasures of my life in hearing Art Bell type broadcasts day after day.  I often tune in hoping that I just had a bad dream, none of the Noreon stuff ever happened, and I will hear the lucid tones of Art Bell once again.  After a few minutes, I switch off the radio and vow that I am going to have to wake up from this bad dream soon.

Same thing happened to me when Anheuserâ€"Busch bought Rolling Rock. Pricks.

[Sardondi]

One HUGE problem noory has, the show never changes. It is the same stuff over and over and over.....

I think that beside George's sheer incompetence, modest intelligence and struggles with the English language, this is perhaps the single-greatest reason for dissatisfaction with his shows. He has the same guests year after year.

Of course the talk-show format just eats through guests, and good talk-show producers are in a never-ending battle to fill their shows with new and interesting personalities...except when they're on cruise control and just taking it easy, because you've had an audience handed to you on a silver platter, and no real competition.

Seems to me George in particular has relied very heavily on repeat guests. Just look at how many multiple-appearance guests that there have been since George took over in 2003. Of course Art had several "old reliables", but no one is complaining about Art's show having been stale. I did a quick scan of George's guests in the last 24 or so days (the first page in the archives for each month) of the months of October, November and December 2012. These are the names that seemed familiar to me and which I confirmed as having been guests 1) a minimum of 6-8 times 2) since 2003-04 or before. I'm sure I missed many guests who just weren't familiar to me and so I didn't check them to see how long they'd been guests.

But off the top of my head I recalled Richard C. Hoagland, LMH, Ed Dames, Stanton Friedman, Lionel Fanthorpe, Roger Leir and Michio Kaku. But in the three partial months I checked I also saw:

Stephen Greer
Joshua P. Warren
Glynis McCants
Dannion Brinkley
Whitley Strieber
Nick Redfern
Stan Deyo
Stephen Bassett
Nick Begich
Steve Quayle
Rosemary Ellen Guiley
Brendan Cook/Barbara McBeath
Seth Shostack
James Van Praagh
Katherine Albrecht
Daniel Durda
Rupert Sheldrake
Paola Harris
Joyce Riley
Paul Guercio
Jerome Corsi
Charles Shults III
Gerald Celente
Laura Weinstein
Dr. Bruce Goldberg
Graham Hancock
Mike Heiser
R. Gary Patterson
Howard Bloom.

There were a bunch I'm sure I overlooked. 

I looked - just scanned really - at what amounted to less than 2% of the time George has had the chair as his own. I came up with over 35 names of guests George has had on at least 6 times, and in some cases like Hoagland's more than 50 times, since first appearing in at least 2003-04, if not earlier. What would the total number of such multiple re-run guests be if we did a real search?

You nailed it: the same guests, time after time, year after year.

[lordofinsanity]

I think that beside George's sheer incompetence, modest intelligence and struggles with the English language, this is perhaps the single-greatest reason for dissatisfaction with his shows. He has the same guests year after year.

Of course the talk-show format just eats through guests, and good talk-show producers are in a never-ending battle to fill their shows with new and interesting personalities...except when they're on cruise control and just taking it easy, because you've had an audience handed to you on a silver platter, and no real competition.

Seems to me George in particular has relied very heavily on repeat guests. Just look at how many multiple-appearance guests that there have been since George took over in 2003. Of course Art had several "old reliables", but no one is complaining about Art's show having been stale. I did a quick scan of George's guests in the last 24 or so days (the first page in the archives for each month) of the months of October, November and December 2012. These are the names that seemed familiar to me and which I confirmed as having been guests 1) a minimum of 6-8 times 2) since 2003-04 or before. I'm sure I missed many guests who just weren't familiar to me and so I didn't check them to see how long they'd been guests.

But off the top of my head I recalled Richard C. Hoagland, LMH, Ed Dames, Stanton Friedman, Lionel Fanthorpe, Roger Leir and Michio Kaku. But in the three partial months I checked I also saw:

Stephen Greer
Joshua P. Warren
Glynis McCants
Dannion Brinkley
Whitley Strieber
Nick Redfern
Stan Deyo
Stephen Bassett
Nick Begich
Steve Quayle
Rosemary Ellen Guiley
Brendan Cook/Barbara McBeath
Seth Shostack
James Van Praagh
Katherine Albrecht
Daniel Durda
Rupert Sheldrake
Paola Harris
Joyce Riley
Paul Guercio
Jerome Corsi
Charles Shults III
Gerald Celente
Laura Weinstein
Dr. Bruce Goldberg
Graham Hancock
Mike Heiser
R. Gary Patterson
Howard Bloom.

There were a bunch I'm sure I overlooked. 

I looked - just scanned really - at what amounted to less than 2% of the time George has had the chair as his own. I came up with over 35 names of guests George has had on at least 6 times, and in some cases like Hoagland's more than 50 times, since first appearing in at least 2003-04, if not earlier. What would the total number of such multiple re-run guests be if we did a real search?

You nailed it: the same guests, time after time, year after year.

When you think about it......10 years worth of talk radio guests, 7 nights a week, 365 days a year. Eventually you run out of guests and topics, yet John B Wells held my attention for the last three nights. I was actually fascinated by the topics and interviews conducted by JB. Whats the difference? A host that has a passion for what he does, is the difference. Sadly, we haven't had one since Art left. Noory is on borrowed time and he knows it. Perhaps premrat was expecting his contract to blow up on Dec 21 2012 and didn't really worry about it, until now!

[stevesh]

I think that beside George's sheer incompetence, modest intelligence and struggles with the English language, this is perhaps the single-greatest reason for dissatisfaction with his shows. He has the same guests year after year.

True, but it may be a case of the C2C producers insisting on sticking to the 'paranormal' formula. I'm thinking of all the atypical guests Punnett had on when he was doing Saturday mornings, mainly about sociological stuff. Expanding the C2C reach into other areas should allow them to tap an almost unlimited well of new guests. Of course, Noory would need a whole new set of index cards.

It could be there just aren't any more possible guests who want to talk about angels.

[Juan]

If only the space aliens would come back, fly around, upset a police dispatcher and bring forth plenty of government denials.

[Falkie2013]

Did anyone see this one ?





http://wisdomquarterly.blogspot.com/2012/10/coast-to-coasts-george-noory-sings-live.html


I don't know why the link doesn't work, but there's even a video of Jorch singing, G*d help us all !


I had a problem with my Imac yesterday. It started doing screwy stuff and I don't know if I fixed the problem or not.

SATURDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2012


Coast to Coast's George Noory SINGS (live)


Ashley Wells, Pat Macpherson, Seth Auberon, Wisdom Quarterly
"Can't Help Falling in Love" (Elvis Presley) by G Man Noory, Oct. 6, 2012, Los Angeles Ballroom, Conscious Life Expo, LAX Hilton. Improved audio below (A. Wells/Wisdom Quarterly).   

While Coast to Coast listeners enjoyedJohn B. Wells on the air, regular host George Noory was belting out the standards in Los Angeles to a room full of astonished listeners.
 
The Conscious Life Expo is a biannual event at the LAX Hilton. It features psychics, scientists, odd balls, luminaries, and more than a few fakers. The End of the World Party gathered them all in one ballroom, Los Angeles A/B following the $100 "Goodbye to 2012" banquet, which featured the possibly tipsy (or jet lagged) crooner Noory, Ancient Aliens' Giorgio Tsoukalos, NASA's Richard Hoagland, Mayan expert John Jenkins, alien implant ufologist Dr. Roger Lear, and other guests.
 

George Noory (Wisdom Quarterly)

Noory first love was not radio hosting. I was singing, but his father was never going to stand for that. You should be a dentist, a doctor, maybe an accountant. But years of listening to Elvis, Bobby Darin, Niel Sedaka, Frank Sinatra, andSid Vicious seems to have left an indelible mark.
 
Producer Gina Salvatti, UFO summonerRobert Bingham, alien contactee Robert Perala, and LA's unique brand of cereal (Fruit Flavored Flakes 'n Nuts) were all in attendance for this breakthrough performance. While everyone bikes outside, staring into space or at the chemtrails, the illumination continues Sunday within and on the air.
 

   "Under the Sea" (Bobby Darin) as performed by G Man NooryAnyone who thinks radio host George Noory was joking is obviously not familiar with the Sex Pistols' classic punk rendition of "My Way" (Frank Sinatra) or Justin Bieber barfing.


POSTED BY WISDOM QUARTERLY AT 11:30 PM
LABELS: 2012, ANCIENT AIRCRAFT, COAST TO COAST, CONSCIOUS, END OF THE WORLD, EXPO, HOSTESS, LIFE, LOS ANGELES, MAYAN CALENDAR, NASA,PARTY, PUNK ROCK, SEX, SINGING, SPACE ALIENS, UFOS



http://www.youtube.com:watch%3Fv=2D_ARQaqT7c.webloc

[Falkie2013]

This on Snoory from another discussion site :


And I love the comparison between Snoory and Punnet.






reply posted on 18-1-2010 @ 09:14 PM by Doc Velocity
Originally posted by pogliaghi
I kept shouting at the radio when George completely missed potentially important lines of questioning.
Exactly. Well, remember, George isn't educated in the paranormal â€" basically, he receives a "cheat sheet" of questions and answers from his guest, and he never strays from the prepared notes. As soon as he strays from the cheat sheet, he says something incredibly stupid like "How was evolution created?"

That's an actual George Noory line, BTW.

So, George doesn't know how to dig into his guests for information. He asks what the guests tell him to ask, so the guests always seem to have an answer prepared â€" they are, just as all the questions are prepared.

In exchange, these guests always make a point of mentioning what a "fine interviewer" George is. Well, yeah, as long as he follows their script.

It's propaganda, the "Big Lie" â€" keep telling the audience what a fine interviewerGeorge is, and eventually they'll start believing it.

But, seriously, the IQ of the whole show â€" and the audience â€" plummeted when George took over.

Consequently, when the weekend host Ian Punnet came in and â€" gasp! â€" spoke with polysyllabic words and compound sentences, the illiterate George Noory audience started whining and complaining: "That Ian Punnet guy thinks he's so smart!"

Well, he IS. That's why George Noory fans hated Ian so much.

Punnet is educated, well read in all sorts of subjects, and can not only dig for info from guests, he debates the guests and wins; and, most importantly, Punnet calls the guests' bluff when they LIE (which is often).

George Noory is incapable of even remotely emulating any of Punnet's skills. Like, George is so far removed from Ian Punnet's level, the light from Punnet won't reach George Noory for another 4,000 years.


â€" Doc Velocity