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theONE

Quote from: GravitySucks on October 28, 2016, 09:36:38 AM
If Russia was trying to influence the election by releasing hacked emails, we would have already seen the ones that Hillary had deleted.

Including all of the ones between her and Obama.
very very good point GS

136 or 142

Quote from: SciFiAuthor on October 28, 2016, 10:08:02 AM
No it isn't. Her position is proactive confrontation such as the imposition of no-fly zones, threat of military force in response to cyber attacks, etc.

Threat of military force is not the same as actual use of military force, Dunning Kruger.

136 or 142

Quote from: 21st Century Man on October 28, 2016, 10:08:17 AM
When he tries to invade Poland, I'll join you in the condemnation of Putin.  Until then,  I'll consider your exaggerations a bunch of hot air.  Free reign over Easter Europe.  lol.  I mean really.

So, you have no problem with Putin's illegal invasion of Eastern Ukraine?

Here, I'll answer for you:

"Putin's invasion of Eastern Ukraine showed what a weak President Obama is.  Trump's appeasement of Putin's invasion of Eastern Ukraine shows that Trump is a smart businessman who doesn't waste U.S efforts on pointless causes."

You also took out the 'n.'  I wrote Eastern Europe, you altered my quote and left it at Easter Europe.

SciFiAuthor

Quote from: 136 or 142 on October 28, 2016, 10:02:49 AM
I understand them as concepts beyond the slogans.  That's beyond your very limited abilities, Dunning Kruger.

I don't think you do. They are tried and true methods of ramping down geopolitical tensions. Hillary has shown no interest in détente, rather the opposite, whereas Trump has, albeit in his bull-in-a-china-shop fashion. The bottom line is that the most sound policy is that which lowers tensions. Hillary's stated policies will not do that, and in fact she's actively raising tensions even before she's in office just to deflect from the fallout of an email scandal. That is not responsible behavior.

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Quote from: SciFiAuthor on October 28, 2016, 10:12:56 AM
I don't think you do. They are tried and true methods of ramping down geopolitical tensions. Hillary has shown no interest in détente, rather the opposite, whereas Trump has, albeit in his bull-in-a-china-shop fashion. The bottom line is that the most sound policy is that which lowers tensions. Hillary's stated policies will not do that, and in fact she's actively raising tensions even before she's in office just to deflect from the fallout of an email scandal. That is not responsible behavior.

The most sound policy is the one that addresses the threat level of the situation.  Sometimes that may be appeasement, sometimes that may be to raise tensions.

I, and most intelligent people, believe that Putin is a belligerent bully, and the best way to stand up to him is to match him threat for threat.  I personally would have liked to have seen the U.S government been more active in support of the Ukrainian government in terms of giving it weapons.

This all deals with game theory, which is so above your level of comprehension, Dunning Kruger, you're not even capable of being a water boy in that game.

SciFiAuthor

Quote from: 136 or 142 on October 28, 2016, 10:10:16 AM
Threat of military force is not the same as actual use of military force, Dunning Kruger.

Threatening military force in response to cyber attacks is irresponsible. That's called driving a screw into a board with a sledge hammer. It's unnecessary.

More, a no-fly zone in Syria almost certainly will provoke an incident.

SciFiAuthor

Quote from: 136 or 142 on October 28, 2016, 10:16:28 AM
The most sound policy is the one that addresses the threat level of the situation.  Sometimes that may be appeasement, sometimes that may be to raise tensions.

I, and most intelligent people, believe that Putin is a belligerent bully, and the best way to stand up to him is to match him threat for threat.  I personally would have liked to have seen the U.S government been more active in support of the Ukrainian government in terms of giving it weapons.

This all deals with game theory, which is so above your level of comprehension, Dunning Kruger, you're not even capable of being a water boy in that game.

That's batshit crazy talk.

136 or 142

Quote from: SciFiAuthor on October 28, 2016, 10:17:36 AM
Threatening military force in response to cyber attacks is irresponsible. That's called driving a screw into a board with a sledge hammer. It's unnecessary.

More, a no-fly zone in Syria almost certainly will provoke an incident.

If you're old enough, I'll bet you're a McGovernite for Trump. Or, if you're not quite that old, you're at least a former supporter of Alan Cranston.  Or, if not that old, a supporter of Dennis Kucinich.

136 or 142

Quote from: SciFiAuthor on October 28, 2016, 10:18:34 AM
That's batshit crazy talk.

How would you know?  It's above your level of comprehension.

theONE

Quote from: 136 or 142 on October 28, 2016, 09:50:56 AM
Are you serious?  You're the moron that falls for the nonsense that the U.S military is 'hollowed out' and needs to be increased from the $600B annual budget it already has.  If anybody is a shill for the military industry complex, it's you.

You're not even smart enough to know when Trump's taking one side of an issue conflicts with him taking the other side of the same issue. 

Trump "We need to rebuild our hollowed out military in order to face foreign challenges like Putin, but at the same time we should appease Russia and not provoke a new cold war."

You: the U.S military is hollowed out, but Hillary Clinton wants to provoke a new cold war to please the people in the military industrial complex.

Are you just joking around again, or are you really this stupid?

136,..you must have very low esteem you animal lover /sans penetration / canadian crap,  you can not post a response here with out insulting people
with out using profanity, if that is representation of "friendly Canadians" then you are the worst of them,..
after reading your posts I come to conclusion that you have [first] no basic knowledge on most topics here, [second] you have no self esteem
and that's the reason you act like that -- but the main blame is on those who are responding to your garbage.

Quote from: 136 or 142 on October 28, 2016, 10:12:26 AM
So, you have no problem with Putin's illegal invasion of Eastern Ukraine?

Here, I'll answer for you:

"Putin's invasion of Eastern Ukraine showed what a weak President Obama is.  Trump's appeasement of Putin's invasion of Eastern Ukraine shows that Trump is a smart businessman who doesn't waste U.S efforts on pointless causes."

You also took out the 'n.'  I wrote Eastern Europe, you altered my quote and left it at Easter Europe.

Stick to the first sentence of my supposed reply. I have no idea what Trump would do.  Hopefully put more pressure on Putin through diplomatic channels.  It is a chess game.  Obama undoubtedly sucks at chess.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgc_LRjlbTU

136 or 142

Quote from: theONE on October 28, 2016, 10:19:43 AM
136,..you must have very low esteem you animal lover /sans penetration / canadian crap,  you can not post a response here with out insulting people
with out using profanity, if that is representation of "friendly Canadians" then you are the worst of them,..
after reading your posts I come to conclusion that you have [first] no basic knowledge on most topics here, [second] you have no self esteem
and that's the reason you act like that -- but the main blame is on those who are responding to your garbage.

You just can't handle barnyard banter.

theONE

Quote from: 136 or 142 on October 28, 2016, 10:00:21 AM
At least onan, unlike you, has a brain.  Not a one and not theONE either.

if onan had a brain he would use it I suspect, onan runs on emotions same as you, you guys don't use logic in your thinking just emotions

136 or 142

Quote from: 21st Century Man on October 28, 2016, 10:20:05 AM
Stick to the first sentence of my supposed reply. I have no idea what Trump would do.  Hopefully put more pressure on Putin through diplomatic channels.  It is a chess game.  Obama undoubtedly sucks at chess.

The problem is, I have no doubt that Trump has no idea what he would do either.

You've already seems to have written you don't care about Putin's illegal invasion of Eastern Ukraine and you've already written that you don't believe Putin has any further territorial interests in Eastern Europe. What exactly would you hope that a Trump Presidency would put more pressure on Putin through diplomatic channels for?

SciFiAuthor

Quote from: 21st Century Man on October 28, 2016, 10:08:17 AM
When he tries to invade Poland, I'll join you in the condemnation of Putin.  Until then,  I'll consider your exaggerations a bunch of hot air.  Free reign over Eastern Europe.  lol.  I mean really.

I agree. That Putin, illegal as it was, invaded eastern Ukraine is not worth risking global stability over. He shouldn't have done it, but he did, and the Russians do have a point that the invaded area is ethnically Russian. Now, if he goes after a NATO country, then that cannot be tolerated. He won't if NATO is strong.

136 or 142

Quote from: theONE on October 28, 2016, 10:23:14 AM
if onan had a brain he would use it I suspect, onan runs on emotions same as you, you guys don't use logic in your thinking just emotions

I'll put this nonsense from you down to your barnyard banter.

theONE

Quote from: 136 or 142 on October 28, 2016, 10:12:26 AM
So, you have no problem with Putin's illegal invasion of Eastern Ukraine?

Here, I'll answer for you:

"Putin's invasion of Eastern Ukraine showed what a weak President Obama is.  Trump's appeasement of Putin's invasion of Eastern Ukraine shows that Trump is a smart businessman who doesn't waste U.S efforts on pointless causes."

You also took out the 'n.'  I wrote Eastern Europe, you altered my quote and left it at Easter Europe.

OK, let's turn the table and how about invasion of Canada by white colonialists to steel land from natives ???
=same thing=

136 or 142

Quote from: SciFiAuthor on October 28, 2016, 10:24:15 AM
I agree. That Putin, illegal as it was, invaded eastern Ukraine is not worth risking global stability over. He shouldn't have done it, but he did, and the Russians do have a point that the invaded area is ethnically Russian. Now, if he goes after a NATO country, then that cannot be tolerated. He won't if NATO is strong.

Your boy Trump has repeatedly recently questioned the need for NATOs continued existence and has refused to say whether a Trump Administration would automatically defend a NATO member.

Remember: Donald Trump is the Republican Presidential nominee, not Mike Pence.

136 or 142

Quote from: theONE on October 28, 2016, 10:25:32 AM
OK, let's turn the table and how about invasion of Canada by white colonialists to steel land from natives ???
=same thing=

Similar invasion of what is now The United States.

SciFiAuthor

Quote from: 136 or 142 on October 28, 2016, 10:19:22 AM
How would you know?  It's above your level of comprehension.

Hillary's use of the ramping up of tensions for internal US political gain violates your own assertion that the most sound policy is the one that addresses the threat level of the situation. You're out in the weeds here.

136 or 142

Quote from: SciFiAuthor on October 28, 2016, 10:28:22 AM
Hillary's use of the ramping up of tensions for internal US political gain violates your own assertion that the most sound policy is the one that addresses the threat level of the situation. You're out in the weeds here.

If Hillary has done it solely for internal U.S political reasons, then Putin would likely dismiss it as such. 

I think you are old enough to be a McGovernite for Trump. It seems you're the author of some of the Dick and Jane books.

Quote from: 136 or 142 on October 28, 2016, 10:24:14 AM
The problem is, I have no doubt that Trump has no idea what he would do either.

You've already seems to have written you don't care about Putin's illegal invasion of Eastern Ukraine and you've already written that you don't believe Putin has any further territorial interests in Eastern Europe. What exactly would you hope that a Trump Presidency would put more pressure on Putin through diplomatic channels for?

I'll direct you to SF's response regarding eastern Ukraine.  As for your question, it's a give and take situation.  I'd try to give him incentives to not engage in aggression.  I'll leave the details of that to the experts.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: 136 or 142 on October 28, 2016, 10:09:07 AM
My understanding is that his schtick is to criticize the Republican and advocate the Democratic position until about a week before the election when he suddenly turns and explains why his viewers need to vote Republican after all.

The reason for their flip flopping all of a sudden is because the evidence against the Clinton's that you refuse to acknowledge is overwhelmingly undeniable at this point and was leaked from within, not by Russia. So, if they want to survive with any credibility after the election they have to take of their propagandist hats now and put on their journalist hats again.  ;)

theONE

Quote from: 136 or 142 on October 28, 2016, 10:21:37 AM
You just can't handle barnyard banter.

136 - you are in Canada in British Columbia where the sex act with animal was performed -and you are most insulting and aggressive here
so that means you are the sex animal abuser that the article was about, because you have "issues".
STOP denying ..you sexual pervert

theONE

Quote from: SciFiAuthor on October 28, 2016, 10:24:15 AM
I agree. That Putin, illegal as it was, invaded eastern Ukraine is not worth risking global stability over. He shouldn't have done it, but he did, and the Russians do have a point that the invaded area is ethnically Russian. Now, if he goes after a NATO country, then that cannot be tolerated. He won't if NATO is strong.

you wrong on that SciFi - do you remember that there were elections in Crimea  ???

SciFiAuthor

Quote from: 136 or 142 on October 28, 2016, 10:26:31 AM
Your boy Trump has repeatedly recently questioned the need for NATOs continued existence and has refused to say whether a Trump Administration would automatically defend a NATO member.

Remember: Donald Trump is the Republican Presidential nominee, not Mike Pence.

If that's the change in policy, then that's the change in policy. Personally, I don't think Latvia is worth a nuclear conflict, so Trump does have a point. I really don't like the idea of automatic war, especially in a modern context.


136 or 142

Quote from: 21st Century Man on October 28, 2016, 10:30:29 AM
I'd try to give him incentives to not engage in aggression.

That's the literal definition of appeasement.

Quote from: 136 or 142 on October 28, 2016, 10:32:53 AM
Quote from: 21st Century Man on October 28, 2016, 10:30:29 AM
  I'd try to give him incentives to not engage in aggression. 
Quote


That's what appeasement literally means.
Incentives do not necessarily mean giving in.  There are other kinds of incentives.

136 or 142

Quote from: theONE on October 28, 2016, 10:30:55 AM
136 - you are in Canada in British Columbia where the sex act with animal was performed -and you are most insulting and aggressive here
so that means you are the sex animal abuser that the article was about, because you have "issues".
STOP denying ..you sexual pervert

You were there.  You were with me too.

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