President Donald J. Trump

[Jackstar]

I was confusing you with Astrid Galactic. Sorry.  Two bad mistakes from me tonight.  I apologize.

I feel like this is an algorithm trying to appear more human by making deliberate mistakes.

[Humilia Lepus Foramen]

I was confusing you with Astrid Galactic. Sorry.  Two mistakes from me tonight.  I apologize.

That's the second time you've apologized to me, thanks 

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Hmmm...hardly credible. The guy who owns the first paper you linked works for the Democratic party and was a speechwriter for Obama...and Forbes, well...NEXT! 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortimer_Zuckerman

Strawman!

[136 or 142]

I feel like this is an algorithm trying to appear more human by making deliberate mistakes.

I realize that some people might see it that way, but I don't go out of my way to make mistakes.  I confuse names and people sometimes.  Of course, I have no way of knowing in advance when I might be confused on those things, so I don't know when to check to make sure and when I don't need to.

[Jackstar]

Yes, but that's not the only data point that gives the impression that you're a soulless, unfeeling machine.

[136 or 142]

Yes, but that's not the only data point that gives the impression that you're a soulless, unfeeling machine.

I'm cold and largely unemotional.  that's not the same as soulless or lacking empathy.

[Jackstar]

I wasn't implying that it was!

Oh, look, a straw man!

[136 or 142]

I wasn't implying that it was!

Oh, look, a straw man!

You didn't imply that I was soulless, you said it.  Unfeeling and lacking empathy mean the same thing.  You also said that.

Is it a 'strawman' (actually an ad-hom) to dismiss all of your posts because you seem to troll much of the time you're here?  (I just looked over the last several pages of your posts.)

[Jackstar]

You didn't imply that I was soulless, you said it.

not the only data point that gives the impression that you're a soulless, unfeeling machine.

Oh, did I now?

[136 or 142]

Oh, did I now?

It depends on the definition of 'impression.'

[Jackstar]

Is it a 'strawman' (actually an ad-hom) to dismiss all of your posts because you seem to troll much of the time you're here?

No, I think that would simply be unwise.


For your personal edification, I consider it "strawmanning" when one deliberately misstates the position of another, and then attacks that misstated position, as though the other actually held that position.

For someone who knows so much about the Dulles Bros., you should know this.

[Dr. MD MD]

Strawman!

How is his obvious bias as a publisher a strawman?! I feel like I'm debating Forrest Gump.  :

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No, I think that would simply be unwise.


For your personal edification, I consider it "strawmanning" when one deliberately misstates the position of another, and then attacks that misstated position, as though the other actually held that position.

For someone who knows so much about the Dulles Bros., you should know this.

Yes, that is what a strawman argument is.

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How is his obvious bias as a publisher a strawman?! I feel like I'm debating Forrest Gump.  :

Impossible.  You are Forrest Gump. 

Attacking the publisher (or author) to dismiss the argument is an ad-hom.  Whether it is a logical fallacy or not, is a matter of debate.  'Strawman' was a joke, go back and read the above posts.

In regards to the the specifics of your argument, there are all sorts of citations that back up those articles, including that you can simply check out the results of the Ukrainian election and see for yourself that the fascist parties got about 2-3% of the vote, and the parties that were included in the coalition that are falsely claimed to be fascist, while fairly right wing, are very minor members of the coalition.

The worst that can be said about the Ukrainian government is that in fighting against the Russian invasion of Eastern Ukraine they accepted the assistance of Ukrainian fascist groups.

[Dr. MD MD]

Impossible.  You are Forrest Gump. 

Attacking the publisher to dismiss the argument is an ad-hom.  Whether it is a logical fallacy or not, is a matter of debate.  'Strawman' was a joke, go back and read the above posts.

You never did connect the dots as a kid, did you? 

[136 or 142]

You never did connect the dots as a kid, did you? 

Not your kind of dots.

[Jackstar]

The worst that can be said about the Ukrainian government is that in fighting against the Russian invasion of Eastern Ukraine they accepted the assistance of Ukrainian fascist groups.

What you term "the Ukrainian government" is a CIA puppet-state. This seems like relevant information to the topic at hand, and your failure to address this in your analysis is notable and telling.

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What you term "the Ukrainian government" is a CIA puppet-state. This seems like relevant information to the topic at hand, and your failure to address this in your analysis is notable and telling.

I think this would be news to the Ukrainian government, the U.S government, the CIA and the European Union with whom Ukraine is associated with, though not a member of.

This would not be news however to fools who read Russian propaganda on RT (and elsewhere) and falsely believe that they're so much smarter than the people who believe that verifiable facts (like the results of the Ukrainian election) and the reports in private American and English language American newspaper but supposedly don't realize they're actually reading CIA propaganda.

[Jackstar]

verifiable facts (like the results of the Ukrainian election)

[136 or 142]

Do you believe the results of the Crimean separation referendum reflected the actual popular opinion of Crimeans?

[Value Of Pi]

How about apparently supporting neo-Nazis in Ukraine? 

http://huffpost.com/us/entry/4938747

http://www.globalresearch.ca/hillary-clintons-support-of-kiev-hardliners-towards-large-scale-escalation-of-combat-operations-in-ukraine/5542754

Even though this phone leak is public information widely available on YouTube, I have personal qualms with posting other people's phone conversations, but you can easily find it if you even care.  Anyway, this was the press conference after the leak where the US was apparently caught meddling in Ukraine.

I'm not defending Russia, I'm just answering your question.  In international politics there are rarely good guys, it's mostly different gradations of bad, Russia included.

(I note your neutral position for fire-control purposes.) To the Russians, and sadly not just Putin, everyone on their border and not under their direct control is clearly some sort of neo-Nazi. It so happens that there are, in reality, still a bunch of neo-Nazis in Ukraine, directly descended from the guys who welcomed Hitler into the country/territory/province/subset of U.S.S.R., and so it is virtually impossible to support Ukranian sovereignty without also being open to accusations of intentionally taunting the Russians.

However, whenever this accusation happens (and obviously it does, from those somehow sympathetic to Russia), it is a great big, unmitigated, so-what. If anyone wants to think that Hillary or her cohorts in the State Department are unfairly provoking the Russians by calling them names and subverting their sphere of influence, I say, thanks for the compliment.

We've been doing it since the Iron Curtain descended on Europe. And, back when America was, you know, "great," we used to be proud of supporting freedom and independence in the face of Russian power. Not so much today -- and definitely not with Donald Trumpovsky.

[Jackstar]

Do you believe the results of the Crimean separation referendum reflected the actual popular opinion of Crimeans?

What the fuck do I care? Central Asia needs popular democracy the way a hen needs a flag.

Your attempt to imply that the election was legit is hilarious. A comparable piece of balderdash would be to say that the Bay of Pigs was an Amway convention.

[Jackstar]

we used to be proud of supporting freedom and independence

That's because that's what the USA used to do. It doesn't do that now, and it hasn't for many, many years.

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What the fuck do I care? Central Asia needs popular democracy the way a hen needs a flag.

Your attempt to imply that the election was legit is hilarious. A comparable piece of balderdash would be to say that the Bay of Pigs was an Amway convention.

What does Central Asia have to do with anything?

[Jackstar]

What does Central Asia have to do with anything?

Similarly, what the fuck does that bullshit election have to do with Russia's only warm-water military seaport? It's not as though that's something that can be gerrymandered away, and to imply that Russia is somehow the aggressor here is the apex of lunatic fantasy.

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Similarly, what the fuck does that bullshit election have to do with Russia's only warm-water military seaport? It's not as though that's something that can be gerrymandered away, and to imply that Russia is somehow the aggressor here is the apex of lunatic fantasy.

No, it's the obvious reality.

What is it with all these American Putintards?

[Jackstar]

No, it's the obvious reality.

What is it with all these American Putintards?

transparent shill

[Humilia Lepus Foramen]

I'm not a supporter of his. If nothing else, I'm consistent on foreign policy, which is generally on the side of non-intervention unless provoked.  The US spends more on defense than any other country, has military bases all over the world, and nukes.  Any country would be foolish to mess with us.

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A number of those bases were put in place when those nations asked for them to be put there in response to genuine or perceived Russian aggression. 

Russia doesn't want war but it illegally annexed Crimea and illegally invaded Eastern Ukraine.  I don't see how an American military base in Turkey or the other places that had bases that predated Russian aggression justifies those acts.

And, you're not a Putintard?

[136 or 142]

I'm not a supporter of his. If nothing else, I'm consistent on foreign policy, which is generally on the side of non-intervention unless provoked.  The US spends more on defense than any other country, has military bases all over the world, and nukes.  Any country would be foolish to mess with us.

Yet some here will lie to you that the U.S military has been 'hollowed out' under Obama.