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President Donald J. Trump

Started by The General, February 10, 2011, 11:33:34 PM

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VtaGeezer

DT may have lost the election today.  He should not have kowtowed to the Prince of the Ideologues. If it appears that he's kissing Ryan's ass...and it does...his support will soften and HMH will dismantle him using his own tools. 



analog kid

Oh lord, the Benghazi clown.

136 or 142

Ian Punnett ‏@deaconpunnett  May 11
Donald J. Trump is America’s very own Kim Jung-il.

bigchucka

Quote from: 136 or 142 on May 12, 2016, 04:29:17 PM
Ian Punnett ‏@deaconpunnett  May 11
Donald J. Trump is America’s very own Kim Jung-il.

You happen to know how Ian is doing nowadays?  I'm too lazy to go looking.  Wish he was able to stage a comeback.

136 or 142

Quote from: bigchucka on May 12, 2016, 04:36:44 PM
You happen to know how Ian is doing nowadays?  I'm too lazy to go looking.  Wish he was able to stage a comeback.

He earned his PhD and recently got hired as a part time professor.  I'll give you more information but I have to go right now.

You think that vapid corrupt shrew is a better choice? At least Trump will tell you the truth before he fucks you over.



MV/Liberace!

Quote from: SciFiAuthor on May 11, 2016, 07:08:22 PM
The Supreme Court is exactly where I'd like to see Ted Cruz go from here. He'd be perfect.

yes, although his stances on government surveillance of innocent citizens is sketchy.

MV/Liberace!

Quote from: FightTheFuture on May 12, 2016, 03:12:20 AM

"There's a lot we don't know," Woodward told the National Association of Realtors convention, according to The Washington Examiner. "We have 20 people working on Trump, we're going to do a book, we're doing articles about every phase of his life."


wow.  journalists are going to investigate a republican nominee for the presidency.  didn't see that coming.  thank allah you made us aware of that.

There is a reason the pathological liar will not release his tax returns. There's a lot he does not want you to know.

http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-05-12/time-for-donald-trump-to-release-his-tax-returns

Quote from: starrmtn001 on May 12, 2016, 04:11:49 PM
WOW!!!  Thank you Pyewacket, for posting this fantastic news!!!!!!!!!

Gowdy is way too smart to get involved with that train wreck. Never happen. Especially after Drumpf publicly trashed Gowdy for endorsing "lil Marco."

http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/27/trump-blasts-gowdy-despite-once-saying-he-should-be-attorney-general/

Quote from: MV on May 12, 2016, 05:06:20 PM
wow.  journalists are going to investigate a republican nominee for the presidency.  didn't see that coming.  thank allah you made us aware of that.

Um, that's one newspaper. After Drumpf refused to answer questions from Bob Woodward on MSNBC, subsequently sending Woodward into a fit of frustration, I'm convinced that the crotchety old journalist is rounding up his old posse of muckrakers to crawl directly up Donald Trump's 6. It should be interesting.

Protectionism Trump style equals economic disaster. Low and middle class families will suffer. Not that any of this matters to the Trump mouth breathers.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/report-trump-tariffs-would-be-catastrophic-for-poor-223117#ixzz48SYyRlUO


Quote from: FightTheFuture on May 12, 2016, 06:52:43 PM
Protectionism Trump style equals economic disaster. Low and middle class families will suffer. Not that any of this matters to the Trump mouth breathers.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/report-trump-tariffs-would-be-catastrophic-for-poor-223117#ixzz48SYyRlUO

That's what Mark Levin has been saying on his show.

I've got three words for you though, FTF.

The Supreme Court

albrecht

Quote from: FightTheFuture on May 12, 2016, 06:52:43 PM
Protectionism Trump style equals economic disaster. Low and middle class families will suffer. Not that any of this matters to the Trump mouth breathers.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/report-trump-tariffs-would-be-catastrophic-for-poor-223117#ixzz48SYyRlUO
"During its American System period the United States grew into the largest economy in the world with the highest standard of living, surpassing the British Empire by the 1880s."
yeah wiki, but I'm tired and a little drunk, and disillusioned, after going to a graduation ceremony. Mainly because the co-eds are so much hotter now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_System_%28economic_plan%29

SciFiAuthor

Quote from: FightTheFuture on May 12, 2016, 06:52:43 PM
Protectionism Trump style equals economic disaster. Low and middle class families will suffer. Not that any of this matters to the Trump mouth breathers.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/report-trump-tariffs-would-be-catastrophic-for-poor-223117#ixzz48SYyRlUO

Actually, the GOP advocated far far far more draconian tariffs in the past until conditions changed to where protectionism was no longer in our national interest. But that situation began to change again in the 90's and the liberal neoconservative free traders took the whole thing over stuck us with NAFTA, which was not in our interest. And yes, tariffing China would indeed cost the consumer more. There would be fewer 52" LCD televisions in the hood and the trailerparks. There are a lot of goods in our life that are far too cheap for what they are. But the benefit gained is to promote domestic production and that means jobs -- for a while. Tariffs are a fully constitutional, legal way to fund the government. Their time has come back.

Quote from: albrecht on May 12, 2016, 09:24:51 PM
"During its American System period the United States grew into the largest economy in the world with the highest standard of living, surpassing the British Empire by the 1880s."
yeah wiki, but I'm tired and a little drunk, and disillusioned, after going to a graduation ceremony. Mainly because the co-eds are so much hotter now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_System_%28economic_plan%29

Albrecht, protectionism and isolationism might have worked two hundred years ago, but it's a different world today. It doesn't work anymore.

Quote from: SciFiAuthor on May 12, 2016, 09:29:08 PM
Actually, the GOP advocated far far far more draconian tariffs in the past until conditions changed to where protectionism was no longer in our national interest. But that situation began to change again in the 90's and the liberal neoconservative free traders took the whole thing over stuck us with NAFTA, which was not in our interest. And yes, tariffing China would indeed cost the consumer more. There would be fewer 52" LCD televisions in the hood and the trailerparks. There are a lot of goods in our life that are far too cheap for what they are. But the benefit gained is to promote domestic production and that means jobs -- for a while. Tariffs are a fully constitutional, legal way to fund the government. Their time has come back.

Why do you want goods and services to be unattainable for the underclass and middle class? You have something against them?

Quote from: albrecht on May 12, 2016, 09:24:51 PM
"During its American System period the United States grew into the largest economy in the world with the highest standard of living, surpassing the British Empire by the 1880s."
yeah wiki, but I'm tired and a little drunk, and disillusioned, after going to a graduation ceremony. Mainly because the co-eds are so much hotter now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_System_%28economic_plan%29

I tend to agree with your point here.  We used to use tariffs all of the time during the first 100 years of our country.

Quote from: FightTheFuture on May 12, 2016, 09:34:26 PM
Albrecht, protectionism and isolationism might have worked two hundred years ago, but it's a different world today. It doesn't work anymore.

I'm not buying your argument on this point, FTF.  I suppose you think NAFTA was a good thing too.  Levin does and that is where I part ways with him.

Quote from: 21st Century Man on May 12, 2016, 07:28:15 PM
That's what Mark Levin has been saying on his show.

I've got three words for you though, FTF.

The Supreme Court

The thing is, Trump is a pathological liar and you really can't believe anything he says. His policy positions change with the wind. And frankly, I don't think he will appoint a conservative judge.


albrecht

Quote from: FightTheFuture on May 12, 2016, 09:34:26 PM
Albrecht, protectionism and isolationism might have worked two hundred years ago, but it's a different world today. It doesn't work anymore.
It can, at least where I live, why not make it a national system? It is not the cops, the gates (in some built neighborhoods but not mine,) or the land-area but it is the costs so that undesirables don't come in and move here (at least until whatever that Obama-plan about redistribution.) Why not for our country? Works for Switzerland and others. Far smaller countries than ours! Even "socialist" countries, that, by the way, are just as clean and beautiful and successful (until rape-u-gees) like Norway, but even flat-places like Denmark, The Netherlands, etc?) Why only Western Nations need to seek the LCD in immigrants?

Quote from: FightTheFuture on May 12, 2016, 09:43:17 PM
The thing is, Trump is a pathological liar and you really can't believe anything he says. His policy positions change with the wind. And frankly, I don't think he will appoint a conservative judge.


Well we know, Hillary isn't going to appoint one.  I'll take my chances with Trump.  Yeah, he lies about a lot of things but for some reason I think he might be sincere on this point.  Its worth taking a chance.

SciFiAuthor

Quote from: FightTheFuture on May 12, 2016, 09:36:08 PM
Why do you want goods and services to be unattainable for the underclass and middle class? You have something against them?

You live in the 20th century. People are being put out of work, real unemployment numbers are appalling. This was first due to free trade which past 1995 was little more than a method of exporting US jobs but now you face technological unemployment which will put YOU out of work at some point. Protectionism can slow that process down for the US. It can't stop it, but it can slow it down. Your outdated ideas aren't going to work for what's coming.

albrecht

Quote from: SciFiAuthor on May 12, 2016, 10:13:53 PM
You live in the 20th century. People are being put out of work, real unemployment numbers are appalling. This was first due to free trade which past 1995 was little more than a method of exporting US jobs but now you face technological unemployment which will put YOU out of work at some point. Protectionism can slow that process down for the US. It can't stop it, but it can slow it down. Your outdated ideas aren't going to work for what's coming.
I think that new technology (I won't burden us all here but - robotics, 3D printing, various highly-advanced GMOs for AG and Animal Husbandry, and etc etc- that is only the basics, much more I can't imagine) will put MANY people out of jobs. Which is why we need Protectionism NOW and develop that stuff and prepare for the time where there will even MORE displacement of "workers" or populations!

SciFiAuthor

Quote from: albrecht on May 12, 2016, 10:23:07 PM
I think that new technology (I won't burden us all here but - robotics, 3D printing, various highly-advanced GMOs for AG and Animal Husbandry, and etc etc- that is only the basics, much more I can't imagine) will put MANY people out of jobs. Which is why we need Protectionism NOW and develop that stuff and prepare for the time where there will even MORE displacement of "workers" or populations!

The sad thing is that the end result of capitalism is some form of communism. From here on out, management will choose automation to cut costs and increase profits. The more capable technology becomes, the more jobs will be lost. Eventually there will be so few consumers that there won't be any choice but for government to nationalize the means of production. This ain't 1992 anymore. We need to think about this stuff. Tariffing can slow the effect of this on our country for a while . . . not forever . . . but for a while.

albrecht

Quote from: SciFiAuthor on May 12, 2016, 10:27:53 PM
The sad thing is that the end result of capitalism is some form of communism. From here on out, management will choose automation to cut costs and increase profits. The more capable technology becomes, the more jobs will be lost. Eventually there will be so few consumers that there won't be any choice but for government to nationalize the means of production. This ain't 1992 anymore. We need to think about this stuff. Tariffing can slow the effect of this on our country for a while . . . not forever . . . but for a while.
Granted I'm "half-empty" type but couldn't this development mean the "good" side? With new technology a no war, no work (for sake of work or "dangerous" work, etc type of society? The "ideal" or, as in thr old days new tech just means more ways to fight? Or worse (since fighting implies, at least, some, individualism ?)

Quote from: SciFiAuthor on May 12, 2016, 10:13:53 PM
You live in the 20th century. People are being put out of work, real unemployment numbers are appalling. This was first due to free trade which past 1995 was little more than a method of exporting US jobs but now you face technological unemployment which will put YOU out of work at some point. Protectionism can slow that process down for the US. It can't stop it, but it can slow it down. Your outdated ideas aren't going to work for what's coming.

The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Please. Free trade is what has grown the economy of this country into the   global power it is today. The way forward is technology, energy, CLEAN energy -- the one thing I found common ground with Obama. If protectionist policies are so effective, why did Hong Kong become so wealthy by being a total free trade zone?  If you start this trumpian nonsense about penalizing everybody, guess what happens? The manufacturers that we do have,  can't get the parts they need. The raw materials they need. The prices go up. People start buying less products. We are a consumer-driven economy and you know what that means. We go down the tank. Not only that, foreign manufacturers do not want to do business with us. They won't move their plants over here. It's too unstable, they won't trust our economy, our leaders and our political system anymore. The dollar becomes unstable. People start buying yen and yuan and whatever the hell foreign currency instead of dollars. Next thing you know, we're not the world's Reserve currency. And if that happens, things get truly ugly.

Sorry about the wall of words, but I'm on my phone because my cable is out. And I'm sleepy.

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