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President Donald J. Trump

Started by The General, February 10, 2011, 11:33:34 PM

chefist

Quote from: MV on May 05, 2016, 01:25:33 PM
every poll shows significant numbers of democrats crossing over to vote for trump in primaries. 

Huge mining union will be at his rally today in WV to give their endorsement to Trump...

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HOUSE SPEAKER PAUL RYAN WILL NOT SUPPORT TRUMP.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
THEY OPENLY ADMIT TO HATING THEIR VOTING GROUP. FUCK THIS KEK.

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chefist

Quote from: VoteQuimby on May 05, 2016, 01:27:48 PM
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Simple plan to win your primary locally for the House or Senate...support Trump...

VtaGeezer

Quote from: VoteQuimby on May 05, 2016, 11:30:12 AM
Mexican Congresswoman Wants to Ban Internet Memes

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/05/05/mexican-congresswoman-wants-ban-memes/

The MEME WAR rages.
I could support the word "meme" being banned.

Quote from: MV on May 05, 2016, 01:25:33 PM
every poll shows significant numbers of democrats crossing over to vote for trump in primaries.  i know there are numerous theories as to why that's happening, including sabotage, but i think the simplest explanation is probably the most likely:  they support him.  trump is not a conservative ideologue, and that's not what he's selling.  he's selling nationalism and he seems like someone who knows how to get things done.  i think that's going to resonate with lots of people in states that traditionally aren't in play for a republican candidate, but since i'm essentially predicting the future here, it's fair to note that i could be completely wrong.  it's just that i think a nationalist pitch resonates with voters in ways that a traditional republican pitch wouldn't.  in former industrial states like pennsylvania, ohio, and michigan, i think trump's chances far outpace a typical republican prattling on with 25 year old talking points about "reducing the size of government and putting god back in our lives."
trump didn't create the disruption.  he's its beneficiary.  your statement implies there's no disruption in the democratic primaries, but there is and similarly, bernie sanders didn't create it.  he's it's beneficiary.  if hillary somehow escapes criminal charges and is her party's candidate, i just don't believe sanders' supporters are going to dependably gather to kiss hillary's ring.  sure, many of them will, but a measurable number won't.  what's happening right now in the democrat primaries wasn't supposed to happen.  i think the electoral map is going to surprise lots of people in november.
A quick response, cause I got shit to do.  Pls don't take it as snark.

1) Re: Polls.  Citing them is cool, so do I.  I haven't seen what you are refencing, but will look.  The overwhelming majority show Trump getting creamed, BTW, particularly with minorities and women, so I gotta ask if you are cherry picking.  Also, ain't enough white guys to get Trump over the hump, IMO.

2) The same effect you cite re: Sanders applies to the Republicans.  Trump has lost some, maybe lots, of the traditional base.  I suspect that will net negative any Dems he woos, but it will be a few weeks before polling catches up on this.  Time will tell.

starrmtn001

Quote from: VtaGeezer on May 05, 2016, 01:53:49 PM
I could support the word "meme" being banned.
So can I VG.  It sounds like a name for a toy poodle. ;D



starrmtn001

WARNING!!!  This will REALLY piss you off starting at, about, 45:35.

Violence on the Border: Keeping U.S. Personnel Safe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1V50lnz2E0

Just saw this on Facebook and almost lost my mind. Sanders' supporters really are this stupid aren't they?


Quote from: VoteQuimby on May 05, 2016, 02:57:47 PM
Just saw this on Facebook and almost lost my mind. Sanders' supporters really are this stupid aren't they?



Ole "Space Mountain" Sanders, on the road, up and down, parties, community potlucks, kissin' the girls and making 'em cry! Woo!

starrmtn001

Quote from: VoteQuimby on May 05, 2016, 02:57:47 PM
Just saw this on Facebook and almost lost my mind. Sanders' supporters really are this stupid aren't they?


Hey, I grew up in the 50s and 60s.  I have NO problem giving up cell phones and the internet as long as ALL of those funds were allocated to BORDER PATROL!!!

Value Of Pi

Quote from: SredniVashtar on May 05, 2016, 10:23:29 AM
I'm sure that it will be a great comfort for those people thrown out of work to learn that their jobs were taken by American machines rather than Chinese slave labour. I'm not a billionaire, but even I can figure out that a good trade deal is better than a bad one. I don't think his supporters really have that view, though, because they just want to pull up the drawbridge and keep everyone else out. An insular view that a section of your population (I don't know how large) often gets seduced by. They don't see the costs that protectionism will entail - it might be a good idea, but they won't want to live with the impact.

Ain't that the truth. As soon as the tariffs went into effect and all those cheap consumer goods started to disappear, former Trump supporters would be in an uproar. First, having to pay 20 or 30% more for the same imported stuff they were buying just yesterday, then realizing that America no longer even has the manufacturing capability to mass produce many of these products.

Are these people going to patiently wait while all these industries get re-established here in America (assuming that this would even happen) or will they just have a meltdown because they're going broke making America great again and Trump has betrayed them?

GravitySucks

Quote from: VoteQuimby on May 05, 2016, 01:27:48 PM
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Wisconsin needs to step up and do to Ryan what Virginia did to Eric Cantor. These politicians need to learn that if they go against their campaign promises and the will of the people that elected them , that there are consequences.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/05/05/paul-nehlen-paul-ryan-sold-his-vote-i-absolutely-believe-that/

We need a "Cantorize Paul Ryan" meme.

starrmtn001

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Value Of Pi

Quote from: chefist on May 05, 2016, 11:11:52 AM
His retort is simple...he advocates for smart trade, no cutting off all trade...he freely admits he does business with China...also, he's not shutting down one of his golf courses or resorts and moving it to another country...

Not much of an answer if you think about it. This isn't a question of trade, it's a question of who to hire to make your product. Trump chooses to hire Chinese workers and make products in China because it costs him less, thereby increasing his profit. That decision has nothing to do with trade agreements, trade deficits or any other big picture factor. It's strictly about dollars and cents in Trump's pocket.

Trump does exactly what he criticizes other American corporations for doing. He hires foreigners when he could hire Americans. But that's never been his concern. His concern is increasing his personal fortune.

bigchucka

Quote from: VtaGeezer on May 05, 2016, 12:34:22 PM
I agree. Unlike the career pols, Trump hasn't spent a lifetime being interviewed on political issues, hasn't developed and rehearsed a talking point response to all conceivable media questions. Trump's accessibility and frankness are huge political vulnerabilities.

He has spent a lifetime being interviewed, and I'm sure that in a long enough interview political topics would have been brought up.  Also, people that are tired of PC bullshit would see his frankness as an asset, rather than a weakness.

Value Of Pi

Quote from: MV on May 05, 2016, 11:41:52 AM
only a non republican would have perceived the GOP that way, i think.

i wouldn't be so sure.  the FBI investigation into hillary's email situation hasn't concluded, and when it does there will be blow back, regardless of the ultimate outcome.  to think otherwise is unrealistic.  she's highly compromised as a candidate, particularly as a presidential candidate.  hillary will be facing so many legal unknowns in the coming weeks that, to me, it seems impossible any objective observer could express confidence in her candidacy.

in the context of this email scandal, to imagine hillary receiving classified intel each morning in the oval office... ugh... the very thought upsets my stomach. 

if the united states is a nation of laws, then hillary will be criminally charged.  some very credible people have said good things about the integrity of attorney general loretta lynch, so despite her idiotic positions on certain issues, my gut tells me lynch will apply the law fairly and impartially in this case.  by the book.  if that happens, hillary has a problem.  lynch meets with fbi director comey numerous times per week, she says.  he is directly overseeing the investigation.  that's heavy stuff.

if the R nominee were any of the 17 also-rans, i'd have the same expectation.  however, i think a trump candidacy brings with it a new electoral college paradigm.  everything the consultants/talking heads/writers/political class think they know about politics... that shit's out the window this time around.

This was exactly the mindset in the 1990s that drove the "new economy" and "Wall Street 2.0." All the rules for assessing the value of equities were deemed outmoded and irrelevant in the new Wall Street. It turned out to be a total sham and many lost their shirts in 2000-2001, while a few made a fortune.

Circumstances change, but the core rules remain in American politics. Actual paradigm shifts in society are rare. It's an overused concept that is almost always misapplied.

aldousburbank

Quote from: Value Of Pi on May 05, 2016, 03:30:30 PM
His concern is increasing his personal fortune.
And making America grate heh.

bigchucka

Quote from: VoteQuimby on May 05, 2016, 02:57:47 PM
Just saw this on Facebook and almost lost my mind. Sanders' supporters really are this stupid aren't they?



I'm picking Big Bank Bailouts (because when they make a bad bet on the derivative market we need to reimburse, but when they make a good bet... hey, that makes my car payment for my tricked out BMW...), Corporate Welfare, and Military... when it comes to our country paying for the defense budget of other countries... We spend more money on defense than the next 9 nations on the list COMBINED.

albrecht

Quote from: Value Of Pi on May 05, 2016, 03:11:01 PM
Ain't that the truth. As soon as the tariffs went into effect and all those cheap consumer goods started to disappear, former Trump supporters would be in an uproar. First, having to pay 20 or 30% more for the same imported stuff they were buying just yesterday, then realizing that America no longer even has the manufacturing capability to mass produce many of these products.

Are these people going to patiently wait while all these industries get re-established here in America (assuming that this would even happen) or will they just have a meltdown because they're going broke making America great again and Trump has betrayed them?
Sure but it depends on the "stuff" besides simply a race to the bottom or getting cheap labor there also are costs and national security concerns. I think we rely on far too much on foreign manufacture for key components in our ever advanced weaponry and communications systems. Also things like medicine. Who knows what 'really' is in all the pills we import from China and India? In a nefarious scenario one could imagine a terrorist, or a "commie plot," to put something bad in them. And even in just regular production- look at the food poisoning and dog poisoning from imports from China and Mexico.
Costs would go up in some places (as would wages maybe) but think about the savings if we withdrew our troops and personnel from all of our foreign bases and wars. And savings because so more sweet-heart contracts to private companies to fight the wars and operate the bases. And having a secured border and sane immigration policy would also result in less terrorism and crime- that is costly. Even just the simple stuff like DUI accidents, housing, EBT, education, food, and healthcare we provide the illegals (and their brood.) That is a lot of savings. Many places pay higher prices for products but people accept it because they have (at least before "rape-u-gees") nice, clean, peaceful countries with relative homogeneous populations- some of them with very low tax (like Switzerland) and some with very high taxes (Norway, Denmark, The Netherlands) but wages are also higher and things like being a waiter is an occupation- not just a position for a actor or student to take to make ends meet.

VtaGeezer

Quote from: bigchucka on May 05, 2016, 03:41:39 PM
He has spent a lifetime being interviewed, and I'm sure that in a long enough interview political topics would have been brought up.  Also, people that are tired of PC bullshit would see his frankness as an asset, rather than a weakness.
True to an extent. But prior to this campaign, Trump's interviews were mostly "Entertainment Tonight" fluff or silly birther stuff (I always took it as a prank because he never questioned Obama's mother's citizenship).  Until his numbers began to look real, DT was a curiosity to the media.  Since NH showed his political viability, the TV pundits have been made to look foolish, and they're out for blood in fear of their rice bowls being upset. Why he hasn't curbed his own proclivity to say things imprecisely that can be easily taken out of context and used as a bludgeon against him is a mystery to me.

VtaGeezer

Quote from: VoteQuimby on May 05, 2016, 12:17:22 PM


Probably the most genuine Cinco tweet sent by a white American "politician" today. 

Quote from: VtaGeezer on May 05, 2016, 04:30:35 PM
Probably the most genuine Cinco tweet sent by a white American "politician" today.
Well, he did drop the "the" that he usually precedes "Hispanics" with.

VtaGeezer

Quote from: Value Of Pi on May 05, 2016, 03:53:07 PM
This was exactly the mindset in the 1990s that drove the "new economy" and "Wall Street 2.0." All the rules for assessing the value of equities were deemed outmoded and irrelevant in the new Wall Street. It turned out to be a total sham and many lost their shirts in 2000-2001, while a few made a fortune.

Circumstances change, but the core rules remain in American politics. Actual paradigm shifts in society are rare. It's an overused concept that is almost always misapplied.
Trump will simply copy the pre-NAFTA Canadian trade model.  In ten years we'll all be white, middle class with great health care, but driving frumpy cars.

albrecht

Quote from: RealCool Daddio on May 05, 2016, 04:34:49 PM
Well, he did drop the "the" that he usually precedes "Hispanics" with.
THE Mexicans in Mexico hardly even celebrate it (though, who knows it could be now the breweries have started marketing it down there.) The only appreciable impact of the event, for Americans, was it settled the fear that possibly the French would back the Confederacy. I doubt most of the drunk Mexicans (and even more so the drunk white folks) know anything about the actual battle victory except that Corona has told us we must drink and pretend to appreciate illegals playing mariachi songs.

Quote from: MV on May 05, 2016, 01:25:33 PM
every poll shows significant numbers of democrats crossing over to vote for trump in primaries.
I looked, I can't find these polls.  Only stuff I could find was from 2015, and one from early January of this year.  I did find this one from today - 25% of Kasich voters and 13% of Cruz voters saying they will vote for Hillary:

https://morningconsult.com/2016/05/cruz-backers/

It was referenced by Brietbart, FWIW:

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/05/05/poll-70-cruz-supporters-dont-like-trump/

Also, from a poll released yesterday, Sanders voters prefer Hillary to Trump 86% to 10%:

http://www.vox.com/2016/5/4/11593434/bernie-sanders-poll-trump-clinton




albrecht

Quote from: starrmtn001 on May 05, 2016, 02:54:30 PM
WARNING!!!  This will REALLY piss you off starting at, about, 45:35.

Violence on the Border: Keeping U.S. Personnel Safe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1V50lnz2E0
Scary stuff, and interesting that the government finally admits some stats like 1 in 5 illegals caught has another criminal conviction (some for really horrible crimes) and the state of affairs in Mexico itself with regard to hazard pay for US staff there. I like the idea of closing the consulates there, at least. The bit about having no agents in Phoenix was also pretty amazing! My youtube crashed so couldn't watch the whole thing >:( but thanks for posting. Of course, nobody is going to do anything about, but I'm hoping Trump is real and not, as I have feared in the past, some Clinton plant or worse.

Quote from: albrecht on May 05, 2016, 04:42:49 PM
THE Mexicans in Mexico hardly even celebrate it (though, who knows it could be now the breweries have started marketing it down there.) The only appreciable impact of the event, for the Americans, was it settled the fear that possibly the French would back the Confederacy. I doubt most of the drunk Mexicans (and even more so the drunk white folks) know anything about the actual battle victory except that Corona has told us we must drink and pretend to appreciate illegals playing mariachi songs.
FIFY

Lt.Uhura

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Quote from: RealCool Daddio on May 05, 2016, 04:34:49 PM
Well, he did drop the "the" that he usually precedes "Hispanics" with.

Considering he's eating Mexican food on Cinco de Mayo, it should be "Latinos", not "Hispanics". 

BTW, in the last few recent pictures of Trump I've seen he looks unwell.  His face is puffy and his skin is gray with pallor--not his usual vibrant shade of orange.

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