President Donald J. Trump

[albrecht]

I Pledge Allegiance to the US Constitution, and the Republic, for which it stands.

Ah, the old Bellamy Salute! Fun times. Interestingly, the country to the immediate, and some others, south of our open border uses same for certain ceremonies and when taking official positions. Of course, the gesture has a long history and those folks related it more to Rome and Spanish history than the socialist Pastor. Or, other socialist, Hitler. But still interesting.

[Luka Megurine]

Nice, interesting thing about the Finns, as a (in)famous talk-radio caller will always mention is that they aren't Nordic/Germanic or Slavic but more related to some others via migration route. Finno-Ugic etc. It is, actually, a fascinating thing, and there is still a lot of disputes and studies about it. I always like that caller because he has "REALLY" interesting theories, but even mainstream, accepted linguists and historians note the facts.

ps: rumor is Putin is Veps.  Love the internet.
http://www.iltasanomat.fi/ulkomaat/art-2000000135514.html

I have heard they have Asian in them, maybe that's why i larped to Kaisa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69voTzPOh4o

[Luka Megurine]

I Pledge Allegiance to the US Constitution, and the Republic, for which it stands.

SIEG HEIL!

[JesusJuice]

Ah, the old Bellamy Salute! Fun times. Interestingly, the country to the immediate, and some others, south of our open border uses same for certain ceremonies and when taking official positions. Of course, the gesture has a long history and those folks related it more to Rome and Spanish history than the socialist Pastor. Or, other socialist, Hitler. But still interesting.

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

Ah, the old Bellamy Salute! Fun times. Interestingly, the country to the immediate, and some others, south of our open border uses same for certain ceremonies and when taking official positions. Of course, the gesture has a long history and those folks related it more to Rome and Spanish history than the socialist Pastor. Or, other socialist, Hitler. But still interesting.

There are a lot of people who think the Pledge is one of our sacred founding documents who would be surprised to learn about its socialist origins.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance

[WOTR]

So sure enough, I 'brought up' Hitler that day, but not in the context suggested.

Did you take note of the context of my post?

Pye, WOTR is just trolling. We all know the context. No sense in trying to talk sense.

I went to dinner and came back to a few people who missed the context.  The conversation was if YP "typed Hitler" very often.  There was no context as to why he would type it- only that he did.  I did not even read the posts by the people on the list.  Also, people seem to have misunderstood.  It was not a list of people who had typed Hitler in this thread- but a list of people who YP had quoted posts from.  (Aside from Dr.MDMD who posed the origional quesiton.  I looked at his post history to make the (((amusing?))) point that he had used it more recently than the man he accused of using it every few seconds.)

The original idea was to troll a little... But YP was the target as I thought that I would find him using that word within that last couple of days and several times over the last month and I was going to post the list (hence the reason for searching his history.)  In the end, he was truthful.  The list was not supposed to be exhaustive in this thread, as I am positive that many posters other than those listed have typed that word.  However, as YP was not arguing with them, he did not quote them...

How exhausting for what was supposed to be a light hearted joke about the number of seconds elapsed since YP last typed "Hitler." 

I haven't been reading here lately. I did not know what WOTR was getting at in his post. I have no problem with people joking,

It was... It actually was.  If somebody wants to waste their time to search my post history for my using the word "Hitler", convert the amount of time since I typed it to seconds, and post it here with no context because they think it might be amusing when we are discussing Dr.MD's question of "how many seconds since it was used", please do so.  Just realize that you will have to type out a page of explanation when rather than getting a chuckle, I get butt-hurt.

[WOTR]

If somebody wants to waste their time to search my post history for my using the word "Hitler", convert the amount of time since I typed it to seconds...

sixty seconds.  And, Hitler.

Fuck me sideways. 

[Meister_000]

Ah, the old Bellamy Salute! Fun times. Interestingly, the country to the immediate, and some others, south of our open border uses same for certain ceremonies and when taking official positions. Of course, the gesture has a long history and those folks related it more to Rome and Spanish history than the socialist Pastor. Or, other socialist, Hitler. But still interesting.

The association of said (Roman) salute with ancient Rome is modern and a fiction. That association begins with this (modern) painting (below).

From Wikipedia:
"Jacques-Louis David's painting The Oath of the Horatii (1784) provided the starting point for the gesture that became later known as the Roman salute. The gesture and its identification with Roman culture were further developed in other neoclassic artworks. This was further elaborated upon in popular culture during the late 19th and early 20th centuries in plays and films that portrayed the salute as an ancient Roman custom. These included a 1914 Italian film called Cabiria based upon a screenplay by the nationalist poet Gabriele d'Annunzio. In 1919, d'Annunzio adopted the cinematographically depicted salute as a neo-imperial ritual when he led the occupation of Fiume.

Through d'Annunzio's influence, the gesture soon became part of the rising Italian Fascist movement's symbolic repertoire. In 1923 the salute was gradually adopted by the Italian Fascist regime. It was then adopted and made compulsory within the Nazi party in 1926, and gained nationwide prominence in the German state when the Nazis took power in 1933. It was also adopted by other fascist movements."
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BTW; that 1914 Italian film, Cabiria, is on Youtube (full 2:06 hrs).

https://youtu.be/gOWicOwtHa8

[JesusJuice]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-assad-usa-idUSKBN15V0N2

Syria's President Assad said that U.S. President Donald Trump's efforts to ban Syrian nationals from entering the United States were "not against the Syrian people", in an interview with French broadcasters that aired on Thursday.


"It's against the terrorists that would infiltrate some of the immigrants to the West. And that happened. It happened in Europe, mainly in Germany," he said in the interview with Europe 1 radio and TF1 television which was recorded on Tuesday in English.

[K_Dubb]

sixty seconds.  And, Hitler.

Fuck me sideways. 

I, for one, appreciated this creative application of -- I will not say academic, but it is rigor of a sort -- to Pud's declamations, and your surprise conclusion.

[SredniVashtar]

I haven't been reading here lately. I did not know what WOTR was getting at in his post. I have no problem with people joking, posting kittie pictures or making irreverent references to the Führer. What I'm sick to death of, is the left using it as a label to pin on anyone they disapprove of.

It's probably best not to refer to Hitler as 'The Fuhrer', for reasons which should be obvious.

Also, having dead relatives doesn't give you some sort of standing or entitlement to outrage. If Trump supporters weren't so deranged by talk radio they might be able to see him for what he is: a shallow con-artist at best, a sinister demagogue at worst.

[Dr. MD MD]

It's probably best not to refer to Hitler as 'The Fuhrer', for reasons which should be obvious.

Also, having dead relatives doesn't give you some sort of standing or entitlement to outrage. If Trump supporters weren't so deranged by talk radio they might be able to see him for what he is: a shallow con-artist at best, a sinister demagogue at worst.

Funny, that's just how I was starting to see you. 

[K_Dubb]

The whole Flynn exercise wasn't about Flynn; it was about Pence.  I remember the interview when Pence denied Flynn had discussions, and where Chris Wallace asked him three times whether the campaign had ties in Russia and Pence dodged.  Pence is worried there is something to all the Russia stuff, whether it's actual collusion or (more probably) some loosely affiliated guy like Carter Page.

I think they sent Pence out that weekend to use his perceived integrity to try to squash the story.  That was fine until his denials were publicly contradicted.  Now Pence fought to stay clean so he can Gerald Ford it if things go south.  That's why Flynn had to go.

[Dr. MD MD]

The whole Flynn exercise wasn't about Flynn; it was about Pence.  I remember the interview when Pence denied Flynn had discussions, and where Chris Wallace asked him three times whether the campaign had ties in Russia and Pence dodged.  Pence is worried there is something to all the Russia stuff, whether it's actual collusion or (more probably) some loosely affiliated guy like Carter Page.

I think they sent Pence out that weekend to use his perceived integrity to try to squash the story.  That was fine until his denials were publicly contradicted.  Now Pence fought to stay clean so he can Gerald Ford it if things go south.  That's why Flynn had to go.

Pure speculation! I still say the butler did it. 

[WOTR]

I, for one, appreciated this creative application of -- I will not say academic, but it is rigor of a sort -- to Pud's declamations, and your surprise conclusion.

I appreciate your observation.  I would say that "K-Dubb gets it".  But based on past declarations of that type, I cannot be assured that statement would be received in a positive manner. 

[paladin1991]

That's what I'm missing.  I forgot to masterlibate.

[Zetaspeak]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-assad-usa-idUSKBN15V0N2

First Putin and now Assad, are these really the people  you want to support your policy?

It's kind of like during  the  campaign  when Trump brings out Don King to prove  how he's not a clownish con artist.

[Jackstar]

First Putin and now Assad, are these really the people  you want to support your policy?

Still superior to Clinton or any Clinton crony or any individual who has ever supported any of them ever.

brings out Don King

Superior to Bill--tied with Hillary.

[Kidnostad3]

At minumum, you do not understand the meaning of "Ethics Codes and Obligations" nor the notion of same being the ground of securing and maintaining "Public Trust", nor why/how Public Trust Keeping is key to Governance. You therefore conclude that if a group of senators can not of-themselves "force" someone to recuse (disqualify) themselves that therefore the party in question is then free to do as he or she wishes, is unbound, is unobligated to recuse themselves when circumstances demand it.  False!

Your ignorance of these matters is proven by which word you chose to highlight (bolded) in this sentance phrase;
Justice Department *guidelines* prevent
(should be)
Justice Department guidelines *prevent*

If an Ethic Code guideline is empowered and designed to *Prevent* and Preclude something that would lead to Injustice it is no mere "suggestion".

Have you never heard of an Ethics code *Violation* and it's consequences?

Guidelines do not have the force of law and as you read are subject to interpretation.  You did read the part where it says that democrats have no way of forcing Sessions to recuse himself didn't you.  What breech of ethics are you talking about? That is all very subjective and because a minority of House and
Senate members who lost there ass in the last election think there could be a breech of ethics doesn't mean there is one. You are not arguing with me, you are arguing with the NYT and the Democrats.  Don't further embarrass yourself.  You have lost the argument and you know it. 

[Meister_000]

The whole Flynn exercise wasn't about Flynn; it was about Pence.  I remember the interview when Pence denied Flynn had discussions, and where Chris Wallace asked him three times whether the campaign had ties in Russia and Pence dodged.  Pence is worried there is something to all the Russia stuff, whether it's actual collusion or (more probably) some loosely affiliated guy like Carter Page.

I think they sent Pence out that weekend to use his perceived integrity to try to squash the story.  That was fine until his denials were publicly contradicted.  Now Pence fought to stay clean so he can Gerald Ford it if things go south.  That's why Flynn had to go.

I think something is getting conflated there. Take your second last sentance: "Now Pence fought to stay clean so he can Gerald Ford it if things go south".  Fought who, how, and under the guise of doing what, protecting Trump? I'm sure you're right that Pence is pondering his own future, but who else in the WH staff is helping him or is most concerned about Pence's future rather than Trump's or their own? The whole thing _was_about Pence to the extent that it might successfully convince someone that Flynn's sin was (merely) his lieing to Pence and Pence then having to tell that lie to the press. That would then deflect attention from the greater crime of Flynn's comms with the Russians. But, the attempted slight-of-hand failed with the WaPo release, dooming Flynn and perhaps others down the road including Trump and Sessions and other's, but who involved was worried about Pence's future other than Pence? Trump has not yet conceeded nor resigned himself to the possibility that he is now already doomed (one would have to assume given his ego-centricity) and would not be expending energy to aid Pence's possible future Gerald Fording.

I'm getting tired, but is my quetioning making sense to you?

[Meister_000]

Guidelines do not have the force of law and as you read are subject to interpretation.  You did read the part where it says that democrats have no way of forcing Sessions to recuse himself didn't you.  What breech of ethics are you talking about? That is all very subjective and because a minority of House and
Senate members who lost there ass in the last election think there could be a breech of ethics doesn't mean there is one. You are not arguing with me, you are arguing with the NYT and the Democrats.  Don't further embarrass yourself.  You have lost the argument and you know it.

You're hopeless. I've already wasted too much time on you.

>What breech of ethics are you talking about?

For the tenth time "Conflict of Interest" at minimum. I gave you a fucking link to go get yourself informed. You refused. So fuck you. GO AWAY. You are THICK.

[K_Dubb]

I think something is getting conflated there. Take your second last sentance: "Now Pence fought to stay clean so he can Gerald Ford it if things go south".  Fought who, how, and under the guise of doing what, protecting Trump? I'm sure you're right that Pence is pondering his own future, but who else in the WH staff is helping him or is most concerned about Pence's future rather than Trump's or their own? The whole thing _was_about Pence to the extent that it might successfully convince someone that Flynn's sin was (merely) his lieing to Pence and Pence then having to tell that lie to the press. That would then deflect attention from the greater crime of Flynn's comms with the Russians. But, the attempted slight-of-hand failed with the WaPo release, dooming Flynn and perhaps others down the road including Trump and Sessions and other's, but who involved was worried about Pence's future other than Pence? Trump has not yet conceeded nor resigned himself to the possibility that he is now already doomed (one would have to assume given his ego-centricity) and would not be expending energy to aid Pence's possible future Gerald Fording.

I'm getting tired, but is my quetioning making sense to you?

Given Trump's pattern of defying scandal unless there is irrefutable proof I am guessing that was the initial plan here, particularly as their current position is that Flynn was just doing his job.  The only casualty of this course would have been Pence's integrity, a fairly minor point given the stakes here, and even that could be salvaged with time and the application of those arts we've grown used to.  Why that point should suddenly be supreme has to be accounted for, and some sort of dramatic ultimatum would do it.

[Kidnostad3]

You're hopeless. I've already wasted too much time on you.

>What breech of ethics are you talking about?

For the tenth time "Conflict of Interest" at minimum. I gave you a fucking link to go get yourself informed. You refused. So fuck you. GO AWAY. You are THICK.

For the eleventh time there is no record of anyone doing anything illegal. Whether what they did was unethical is subjective.  They were fired by Trump in any case.  No one has asserted that Trump or anyone else in the campaign gave them leave to accept calls from Russians. The FBI investigated the campaign staffers contacts with Russians and found no wrongdoing.  You have built a reputation for being obtuse and insanely parochial.  I'm not going anywhere and you can bet I will continue to confront your absurd blathering. 

[21st Century Man]

The association of said (Roman) salute with ancient Rome is modern and a fiction. That association begins with this (modern) painting (below).

From Wikipedia:
"Jacques-Louis David's painting The Oath of the Horatii (1784) provided the starting point for the gesture that became later known as the Roman salute. The gesture and its identification with Roman culture were further developed in other neoclassic artworks. This was further elaborated upon in popular culture during the late 19th and early 20th centuries in plays and films that portrayed the salute as an ancient Roman custom. These included a 1914 Italian film called Cabiria based upon a screenplay by the nationalist poet Gabriele d'Annunzio. In 1919, d'Annunzio adopted the cinematographically depicted salute as a neo-imperial ritual when he led the occupation of Fiume.

Through d'Annunzio's influence, the gesture soon became part of the rising Italian Fascist movement's symbolic repertoire. In 1923 the salute was gradually adopted by the Italian Fascist regime. It was then adopted and made compulsory within the Nazi party in 1926, and gained nationwide prominence in the German state when the Nazis took power in 1933. It was also adopted by other fascist movements."
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BTW; that 1914 Italian film, Cabiria, is on Youtube (full 2:06 hrs).

https://youtu.be/gOWicOwtHa8

I have it in my dvd collection on a KINO release.  Started to watch it but got distracted.  I aim to try again soon.   What I saw a was a bit creaky but we are talking about the first year full-length feature films were introduced to the masses.  It was bound to be a bit creaky.

[21st Century Man]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-assad-usa-idUSKBN15V0N2

I don't think Assad is half the monster that some countries in the West make him out to be. Have terrible things been done under his regime?  Yes but then look what he is up against with ISIS.  Those cretins only understand barbarism.

[Dr. MD MD]

First Putin and now Assad, are these really the people  you want to support your policy?

It's kind of like during  the  campaign  when Trump brings out Don King to prove  how he's not a clownish con artist.

Your opinion is about as reliable as your poll stats were, i.e., not at all. 

[Dr. MD MD]

GO AWAY. You are THICK.

What does the size of the man's penis have to do with anything?!  :

[21st Century Man]

Heh-heh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgkRpdgP2tI

[3OctaveFart]

You're hopeless. I've already wasted too much time on you.

>What breech of ethics are you talking about?

For the tenth time "Conflict of Interest" at minimum. I gave you a fucking link to go get yourself informed. You refused. So fuck you. GO AWAY. You are THICK.

There's nothing to be gained from debating the ignorant- as Tom Paine said it is like administering medicine to the dead. Your links are wasted on retards who will post memes in response.

[21st Century Man]

There's nothing to be gained from debating the ignorant- as Tom Paine said it is like administering medicine to the dead.

Your links are wasted on retards who will post a meme in response.

Good thing you live in Europe, you'd be catching hell from Southerners if you stayed in the US.