President Donald J. Trump

[PB the Deplorable]

Where in the world did you get that idea?  The Iran nuclear deal was without doubt the worst "agreement" this country has ever entered into.  Obama was totally played. They got everything, we got nothing  The American people were lied to regarding its provisions until it was too late to do anything about it which in IMHO is a treasonous act for which Obama should be held criminally liable.   Please let me know if there remains any doubt in your mind as to where I stand on the matter

Not to mention he called it ''an agreement'' and not a Treaty (which would need Senate ratification).  He knew there was no way he was going to get that pile of shit through the Senate.  Just another example of his contempt for the limits to his office, to the Constitution, and to our form of government - which is based on consensus and separation of powers.

When the deal would be reportedly close to completion, the Iranians would ask for more and threaten to walk away if they didn't get it.  Each time Kerry and Obama capitulated.  When it was finally completed we got nothing.  We even then had to pay ransom for some Iranian Americans they kidnapped - in cash.  We couldn't even get a straight answer on how much and who authorized it.

Then, before it came before the Congress to examine, Obama presented it to the UN as a done deal.

As soon as their assets were unfrozen, the embargo ended, and big deals cut with various companies and nations, Iran no longer has any reason to follow any of the already near meaningless limits on their near-term nuclear weapons program.  There is no way to reimpose the embargo and undo the weapons deals - it took years to get it to where it was, with Russia, China, and the EU to agree.  It took those dipshits a stroke of a pen to undo it.

Since then, Iran has kidnapped a boat full of our sailors, harassed and fired on our ships, threatened us, continued on their ICBM program, interfered in Iraq, Syria, Yemen, and are agitating in Saudi Arabia.  ICBMs are intercontinental missiles - armed with a nuclear warhead, they will be able to reach the US.  Oh yes, this president has great knowledge and deftness in foreign policy, in great contrast to Donald Trump.


This once again demonstrates the absolute phoniness of the typical Democrat supporter.  For decades the only thing they had on Reagan was ''he negotiated with terrorists'' (a very minor deal with this same Iranian government).  How often have we heard that from the very same people who now think it's great that Barrack Obama single-handedly ended Iran's economic and political isolation, and made it easier for them to continue their nuclear weapons program without interference.

Obama, Kerry, and any of the other rats involved with this should be tried for treason

[Kidnostad3]

Where in the world did you get that idea?  The Iran nuclear deal was without doubt the worst "agreement" this country has ever entered into.  Obama was totally played. They got everything, we got nothing  The American people were lied to regarding its provisions until it was too late to do anything about it which in IMHO is a treasonous act for which Obama should be held criminally liable.   Please let me know if there remains any doubt in your mind as to where I stand on the matter


So Khamenei played us 'cause Obama. But Putin isn't 'cause Trump. Got it

Okay so let's talk about this again in the new year.  PLS.DON'T DRIVE TONIGHT!  Happy New Year.

[Kidnostad3]

Not to mention he called it ''an agreement'' and not a Treaty (which would need Senate ratification).  He knew there was no way he was going to get that pile of shit through the Senate.  Just another example of his contempt for the limits to his office, to the Constitution, and to our form of government - which is based on consensus and separation of powers.

When the deal would be reportedly close to completion, the Iranians would ask for more and threaten to walk away if they didn't get it.  Each time Kerry and Obama capitulated.  When it was finally completed we got nothing.  We even then had to pay ransom for some Iranian Americans they kidnapped - in cash.  We couldn't even get a straight answer on how much and who authorized it.

Then, before it came before the Congress to examine, Obama presented it to the UN as a done deal.

As soon as their assets were unfrozen, the embargo ended and big deals cut with various companies and nations, Iran no longer has any reason to follow any of the already near meaningless limits on their near-term nuclear weapons program.


This once again demonstrates the absolute phoniness of the typical Democrat supporter.  For decades the only thing they had on Reagan was ''he negotiated with terrorists''.  How often have we heard that from the very same people who now think it's great that Barrack Obama single-handedly ended Iran's economic and political isolation, and made it easier for them to continue their nuclear weapons program without interference.

Obama, Kerry, and any of the other rats involved with this should be tried for treason

Hear, hear! A total capitulation that we will live to regret. 

[TigerLily]

Okay so let's talk about this again in the new year.  PLS.DON'T DRIVE TONIGHT!  Happy New Year.

Thanks K. Having a quiet evening at home with champagne and loved ones. Just think. We have a shiny new year ahead to disagree on all things political. Goody

[Kidnostad3]

Nutter shrug, don't be so beastly. Are you at a ny party later? Been invited?

Nutter shrug?  I've been around the world twice and to the circus three times but I've never heard that term uttered.  Someone please enlighten me.  I've got my ideas but need confirmation.

[Kidnostad3]

Thanks K. Having a quiet evening at home with champagne and loved ones. Just think. We have a shiny new year ahead to disagree on all things political. Goody

The prospect delights the soul.   

[albrecht]

... But we hate Vermont (damned maple syrup makers)

Russian operation hacked a Vermont utility, showing risk to U.S. electrical grid security, officials say

A code Asociated with the Russian hacking operation dubbed Grizzly Steppe by the Obama administration has been detected within the system of a Vermont utility, according to U.S. officials. ...

... “Vermonters and all Americans should be both alarmed and outraged that one of the world’s leading thugs, Vladimir Putin, has been attempting to hack our electric grid, which we rely upon to support our quality-of-life, economy, health, and safety,” [Vermont Governor] Shumlin said in a statement. “This episode should highlight the urgent need for our federal government to vigorously pursue and put an end to this sort of Russian meddling.” - Reuters

https://www.burlingtonelectric.com/news/3910/Burlington-Electric-Department-Statement%3A-No-Indication-that-Electric-Grid-or-Customer-Information-Compromised

Obviously countries, criminals, teenage kids, etc hack each other there also are "tools" developed by countries and hackers that are sold, or taken, and used/modified by others. And sometimes, like with our Suxtnet, you infect many, many machines in systems to spread the virus, which aren't damaged, to reach the final target which is damaged.

[ItsOver]

...“This episode should highlight the urgent need for our federal government to vigorously pursue and put an end to this sort of Russian meddling.” - Reuters

If it wasn't the Russians, it would be somebody else.  What needs to be done is to continue to reinforce protections in this area, regardless of the perp.  It's a never ending battle against many threats.

[Kidnostad3]

If it wasn't the Russians, it would be somebody else.  What needs to be done is to continue to reinforce protections in this area, regardless of the perp.  It's a never ending battle against many threats.

Let's get real here.  If we aren't doing what the Russians are doing and doing it better, someone is asleep at the switch.   

[ItsOver]

Let's get real here.  If we aren't doing what the Russians are doing and doing it better, someone is asleep at the switch.

Exactly.  It's always "game on."  Unless you're asleep at the wheel.  I still can't believe a former secretary of state was operating a home-brew server for official business.  :

[albrecht]

Exactly.  It's always "game on."  Unless you're asleep at the wheel.  I still can't believe a former secretary of state was operating a home-brew server for official business.  :

Don't worry, the mistranslated "reset button" she gave Russia meant that Russia, or anyone else, would not hack into her illegal, private, unsecured server.....(even IF it was spelled correctly what kind of gimmick diplomacy is that?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GdLClHAMB0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHp_XQFGb7U

[Yorkshire pud]

If it wasn't the Russians, it would be somebody else.  What needs to be done is to continue to reinforce protections in this area, regardless of the perp.  It's a never ending battle against many threats.

But if it were NK, and Un called Trump to congratulate him; and say the US expelled 35 NK 'diplomats'in retaliation, would it be okay if Trump said Un was a smart man for not taking the bait? A CIA spook asked...

[albrecht]

But if it were NK, and Un called Trump to congratulate him; and say the US expelled 35 NK 'diplomats'in retaliation, would it be okay if Trump said Un was a smart man for not taking the bait? A CIA spook asked...

If it were NK, as likely with some their nuke technology, it was a result of Clinton policy decades ago when that ridiculous woman Albright who went over there to NK to give an autographed basketball and to swill champange with their diminutive dictator Kim Jung-il and watch military parades.

[ItsOver]

If it were NK, as likely with some their nuke technology, it was a result of Clinton policy decades ago when that ridiculous woman Albright who went over there to NK to give an autographed basketball and to swill champange with their diminutive dictator Kim Jung-il and watch military parades.

We be down. 

[Yorkshire pud]

If it were NK, as likely with some their nuke technology, it was a result of Clinton policy decades ago when that ridiculous woman Albright who went over there to NK to give an autographed basketball and to swill champange with their diminutive dictator Kim Jung-il and watch military parades.

That answers the question asked? I see. CIA spook rolled her eyes and shook her head slowly at the deflection...

[K_Dubb]

But if it were NK, and Un called Trump to congratulate him; and say the US expelled 35 NK 'diplomats'in retaliation, would it be okay if Trump said Un was a smart man for not taking the bait? A CIA spook asked...

Of course not, silly.  The only way Trump's behavior is understandable is if the link to Putin is tenuous.  Reading this week's report has me fearing he's right.

[Yorkshire pud]

Of course not, silly.  The only way Trump's behavior is understandable is if the link to Putin is tenuous.  Reading this week's report has me fearing he's right.

Why would Trump be so confident he was correct? Intuition? Intelligence? (His,own?)

[K_Dubb]

Why would Trump be so confident he was correct? Intuition? Intelligence? (His,own?)

I don't know, but he's way out on a limb publicly.  He may fall off by the end of next week after that meeting with intelligence.

[Kidnostad3]

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CIA spook rolled her eyes and shook her head slowly at the deflection...

Is that something like a nutter shrug?

[Dr. MD MD]

I'm not defending SA, I said they're backward. But when you live in glass houses you shouldn't throw stones. Everything you've mentioned has had people killed in the US, sometimes by mob rule.  Add women who have had abortions, the medics who do them too. Add rapists having leniency because the cunt came from 'a good family', and/or the victim has the temerity to wear a mini skirt, so must have egged the cunt on. Add people who have mental issues and are in jail because there's nowhere else to put them. And they're 'funny', so naturally must be bad.

The USA is in no position to call the odds on other countries' treatment of victims of crime or victims of miscarriages of justice.

I'm well aware of that. And agree.

Here is the fundamental reason why we voted the way we did and why your countrymen voted to leave the EU. To pud and his EU lot there's simply no difference between us and the jihadis.  :

[Dr. MD MD]

Although I loathed the woman, the one thing Thatcher had in bucket loads was her poker game. It isn't well known, but in 1983, NATO and the SU came closer than they had ever been to all out war. Bombers were fueled, armed and crewed up on UK taxiways and runways. So serious was the threat that the crews told their families to go to north west Scotland until it was over; the crews knew they weren't coming back.

Thatcher knew this at the time, but didn't give a running commentary of how she felt.

My point is that even after Gorbachev took office two years later, and after his first visit to Britain; Thatcher remarked only that she could do business with him. Nothing else. But we can imagine much was done behind the scenes. No childlike shit the way Trump does almost on a daily basis; who said a nice/bad word about him and he isn't even in the WH yet! He's frighteningly like Senda in personality.

Nailed it! I knew you were a Thacherite. It's why I hear all your posts in her voice. 

[Dr. MD MD]

Yep the theatrics of this whole thing are very high, which makes me think a script is playing out.  Right now, Putin gets to look like a magnanimous power-broker, Obama like an inept clown, and Trump like a dumb lackey.  I hope that isn't the last act.

The only dumb lackies I see are the ones calling Trump a dumb lackey. 

[paladin1991]

Does he?  As US President for eight years, and with all that knowledge to go along with the power of his office, surely he has some positive foreign policy accomplishments you could list?

Oh yeah, there was um, and okay, when he and biden....


I got nothing.

[paladin1991]

Utter utter bullshit pile with a huge bullshit cherry on top. Putin being in office has fuck all to do with Clinton, Bush or any other President.


Oh my! You think, I mean really think Trump is a grown up?  But that's fine, you're not the one who is going to have to field that his 'feelings' about any given topic the CIA, NSA, FBI or even bloody KFC throw at him, outweighs things like facts, intelligence and common sense. In other words, he's pretty much undermined all and everything that the US security services represent. We might not like any or everything they represent, but without them the POTUS is blind. Trump though is too fucking stupid to realise that. So who will tell him he's wrong, knowing it could risk their career?

Reagan and Thatcher would have had that Slavic thug in check.

[Dr. MD MD]

Reagan and Thatcher would have had that Slavic thug in check.

Now, now, gunny! Don't let pud drag you into a world war getting all nostalgic for the 80s. Just put on an Oingo Boingo album instead and enjoy the new detente. 

[paladin1991]

The same way the USA will grind to a halt with unregistered illegal immigrants working in Corporations..(ahem)..the EU agreement of free movement of labour to the member states, means just as UK residents can go and live and work in Germany, France, Poland, Austria etc, it's reciprocated. The difference being that Poles are noted to be pretty clever. I've worked with a few, one lad was very bright indeed. Worked all week in the firm, flew back to Poland on friday night; university saturday, flew back sunday night.

Brexit if and when its carried through to eliminate the free movement will, its feared pretty much render the collapse of much of the arable and fruit farming in places like Cambridgeshire and Lincolnshire; they depend on the people who come from the EU.

Is that because that kind of work is beneath all those English fuckers on the dole?

[paladin1991]

our American interests should always be first, fuck the rest of the planet.

Well yes....and no.  Our interests should always be first, the rest of the planet should be content to kiss the American ring.

[paladin1991]

no but we should cut aid money to every other country, and tell the UN to fuck off

Dude, if I weren't already married.....

[Kidnostad3]

Well yes....and no.  Our interests should always be first, the rest of the planet should be content to kiss the American ring.

God I love it when you talk like that!

[SciFiAuthor]

Indeed. They can't get Putin's dilinquent bitch in, soon enough. I wonder who will hang up first when Trump and Putin have their bedtime pillow talk phone calls?
"You hang up first Vlad master please" ,
"No Donny, you can go first, we'll speak tomorrow when I tell you what is next on your foreign policy list"
"Okay, master, I can't wait" ,
"Night bitch, its the afternoon here"

Jesus York. You've lost objectivity and are inventing your own personal narrative over this election. You have a white whale, or an orange whale is it were, and you're just blithering now.