Celebrity Deaths

[DigitalPigSnuggler]

I find it odd that some apparent junkie, according to reports, gets an autopsy- which will take days- and much media attention and speculation, but a Supreme Court Justice doesn't?

Because the death of a 78 year old morbidly obese man with a checkered medical history who dies in bed in his sleep begs as much explanation as a fit 57 year old who dies in an elevator.

You conspiracy nuts always find things odd.  That's what results when you mix paranoia with lower than median intelligence.

[Hog]

I don't think he was a junkie.  He had back problems and had hip replacement surgery.  Probably got addicted to the percocet that was prescribed to him for the pain.  That can happen to anybody.

I fail to see your differentiation between the two.  The term "junkie" is a derogatory method of identifying a person who is an opiate addict.  No matter what particular opiate we are talking about, or how one first tries said opiate, the end result is always the same.  That neverending chase to feel the same way you did when you first started using the opiate drug.

Axle Rose describes it nicely:
"|I used to do a little, but a little wouldnt do, so the little got more and more."

Addiction can happen to anybody.

peace
Hog

[DigitalPigSnuggler]

Addiction can happen to anybody.

I was prescribed 30 percoden tabs after surgery.  I noticed that while the pain was diminishing, my frequency of usage of the pills was increasing.  When I got to the bottom of the bottle, I partied the night away.  When the PA asked if I wanted a renewal, I said, "Oh, yes, I certainly do, which is why I don't want you to give me one."  I am convinced to this day that if I hadn't pushed myself away from the table at that moment, I would have become another addiction story. 

[paladin1991]

I was prescribed 30 percoden tabs after surgery.  I noticed that while the pain was diminishing, my frequency of usage of the pills was increasing.  When I got to the bottom of the bottle, I partied the night away.  When the PA asked if I wanted a renewal, I said, "Oh, yes, I certainly do, which is why I don't want you to give me one."  I am convinced to this day that if I hadn't pushed myself away from the table at that moment, I would have become another addiction story.

You ate them all?  You didn't save any for me?  Selfish pig.

[albrecht]

I was prescribed 30 percoden tabs after surgery.  I noticed that while the pain was diminishing, my frequency of usage of the pills was increasing.  When I got to the bottom of the bottle, I partied the night away.  When the PA asked if I wanted a renewal, I said, "Oh, yes, I certainly do, which is why I don't want you to give me one."  I am convinced to this day that if I hadn't pushed myself away from the table at that moment, I would have become another addiction story.

A neighbor kid of mine just had some surgery for a torn Achilles tendon and some other stuff and his mom took the pills the doc gave them after the second day threw them out and said deal with some OTC etc. We all were joking around at my crawfish boil that they could've made good money selling them. I heard that some of that stuff on the street goes for $30/pill. No wonder junkies need to resort to crime. Who could afford that if you are really addicted and popping them??!

[Inglorious Bitch]

I was prescribed 30 percoden tabs after surgery.

What kind of surgery? Hip replacement? It must be hard to lose your mobility when you get to a certain age.

[Yorkshire pud]

A neighbor kid of mine just had some surgery for a torn Achilles tendon and some other stuff and his mom took the pills the doc gave them after the second day threw them out and said deal with some OTC etc. We all were joking around at my crawfish boil that they could've made good money selling them. I heard that some of that stuff on the street goes for $30/pill. No wonder junkies need to resort to crime. Who could afford that if you are really addicted and popping them??!

My house several years ago was burgled by a junkie-or an accomplice. My suggested method of peeling his skin off with a cheese grater and feeding him feet first into an acid bath was met with disapproval by the cop who came to look..

[ItsOver]

My house several years ago was burgled by a junkie-or an accomplice. My suggested method of peeling his skin off with a cheese grater and feeding him feet first into an acid bath was met with disapproval by the cop who came to look..

Ah, my preferred punishment for a number of crimes, like identity theft.  I'm sure many folks would be surprised at just how effective this might be.  A true pity.

[Hautex]

You ate them all?  You didn't save any for me?  Selfish pig.

Feel sort of bad now... I've been turning in leftover Hydrocodone 10's every month for the past decade at he local police drug box.

[DigitalPigSnuggler]

Because the death of a 78 year old morbidly obese man with a checkered medical history who dies in bed in his sleep begs as much explanation as a fit 57 year old who dies in an elevator with a pocket full of opiate-based pills.

You conspiracy nuts always find things odd.  That's what results when you mix paranoia with lower than median intelligence.

Fixed it for me.

[21st Century Man]

My house several years ago was burgled by a junkie-or an accomplice. My suggested method of peeling his skin off with a cheese grater and feeding him feet first into an acid bath was met with disapproval by the cop who came to look..

LOL, if you had the same gun rights that we do in America, it is highly unlikely that would have happened to you.  You wouldn't have to even own a gun.  I don't own a gun even though it is the law in the town I live in.  Burglaries simply do not happen here nearly as often as other communities.  I live in suburban Atlanta.  Kennesaw to be precise. Crime is very low here.  Criminals never know when they are going to face someone with a gun.

[BobGrau]

LOL, if you had the same gun rights that we do in America, it is highly unlikely that would have happened to you.  You wouldn't have to even own a gun.  I don't own a gun even though it is the law in the town I live in.  Burglaries simply do not happen here nearly as often as other communities.  I live in suburban Atlanta.  Kennesaw to be precise. Crime is very low here.  Criminals never know when they are going to face someone with a gun.

Not meaning to spark a gun debate, just want to point out that the type of junkie-burglary Yorkie's talking about tends not to be based on sound planning or forethought.

[akwilly]

Not meaning to spark a gun debate, just want to point out that the type of junkie-burglary Yorkie's talking about tends not to be based on sound planning or forethought.

I am curious what they stole.

[DigitalPigSnuggler]

LOL, if you had the same gun rights that we do in America, it is highly unlikely that would have happened to you.  You wouldn't have to even own a gun.  I don't own a gun even though it is the law in the town I live in.  Burglaries simply do not happen here nearly as often as other communities.  I live in suburban Atlanta.  Kennesaw to be precise. Crime is very low here.  Criminals never know when they are going to face someone with a gun.

That is the most ridiculous bullshit I have ever heard of.  Where did you get that, some NRA fanboi site trying to cook up some rationale for preserving the 2nd amendment?  What an amazingly stupid thing to say.  By the way, just for the benefit of people who are NOT this guy, if you shoot someone during the course of a burglary to stop them from stealing your stuff, you will be thrown in jail.  If he dies you will be liable for a 2nd degree murder charge, more or less depending on the actual circumstances.  Don't listen to Mister "This Is My Rifle This Is My Penis" here.

[DigitalPigSnuggler]

I am curious what they stole.

Based on his reaction, I'd say his collection of Chicks-With-Dicks DVDs.

[akwilly]

That is the most ridiculous bullshit I have ever heard of.  Where did you get that, some NRA fanboi site trying to cook up some rationale for preserving the 2nd amendment?  What an amazingly stupid thing to say.  By the way, just for the benefit of people who are NOT this guy, if you shoot someone during the course of a burglary to stop them from stealing your stuff, you will be thrown in jail.  If he dies you will be liable for a 2nd degree murder charge, more or less depending on the actual circumstances.  Don't listen to Mr. This Is My Rifle This Is My Penis here.

you couldn't be more right. Please come to my house and burglaries it. I won't pull a gun for fear that I would go to jail protecting myself.

[akwilly]

Based on his reaction, I'd say his collection of Chicks-With-Dicks DVDs.

definitely something I wouldn't claim on the insurance lol

[GravitySucks]

That is the most ridiculous bullshit I have ever heard of.  Where did you get that, some NRA fanboi site trying to cook up some rationale for preserving the 2nd amendment?  What an amazingly stupid thing to say.  By the way, just for the benefit of people who are NOT this guy, if you shoot someone during the course of a burglary to stop them from stealing your stuff, you will be thrown in jail.  If he dies you will be liable for a 2nd degree murder charge, more or less depending on the actual circumstances.  Don't listen to Mister "This Is My Rifle This Is My Penis" here.

That totally depends on the state you live in. In Texas, you can shoot to kill in defense of your property, even if the crook is trying to depart the premises. As long as he is carrying something that belongs to you, or you feel your life is threatened on your property, you will not be charged in a criminal prosecution. You may still be subject to a civil wrongful death lawsuit.

But don't take my word for it. Research the actual laws for the state you live in.

[DigitalPigSnuggler]

That totally depends on the state you live in. In Texas, you can shoot to kill in defense of your property, even if the crook is trying to depart the premises. As long as he is carrying something that belongs to you, or you feel your life is threatened on your property, you will not be charged in a criminal prosecution. You may still be subject to a civil wrongful death lawsuit.

But don't take my word for it. Research the actual laws for the state you live in.

Both you and AKWilly seem to have had some trouble parsing out my post, so let me try again.

Saying that crime is low in Keenesaw Atlanta simply because "Criminals never know when they are going to face someone with a gun" is a odorous bit of ass-hattery that should not require explanation.

Regarding shooting someone with a burglary, nowhere did I mention doing so in self-defence, only in defence of property.  Although since we are on that topic, the law of self-defence is not absolute.  So Willy, when you get offended when I break into your house holding a banana and shoot me with a shotgun, you are not going to end up with the result you think that you do [side note here -- I don't know how things are in Texas.  They seem to be enthralled at the thought of killing people for any reason, so anything is possible].

Regarding defence of property, that discussion generally involves the Castle Doctrine, which means you can shoot an intruder who enters your home.  But the laws can be complicated and differ between states and again, if you think that blasting away indiscriminately is always permissible because, by golly it just is, then you are a pig-anus fister like Quick Karl who deserves to be in the slammer anyway.  But hey, don't let me be the one to dissuade you Deputy Dawg.  Drill that varmint full of lead and let God sort it out.

[akwilly]

Both you and AKWilly seem to have had some trouble parsing out my post, so let me try again.

Saying that crime is low in Keenesaw Atlanta simply because "Criminals never know when they are going to face someone with a gun" is a odorous bit of ass-hattery that should not require explanation.

Regarding shooting someone with a burglary, nowhere did I mention doing so in self-defence, only in defence of property.  Although since we are on that topic, the law of self-defence is not absolute.  So Willy, when you get offended when I break into your house holding a banana and shoot me with a shotgun, you are not going to end up with the result you think that you do [side note here -- I don't know how things are in Texas.  They seem to be enthralled at the thought of killing people for any reason, so anything is possible].

Regarding defence of property, that discussion generally involves the Castle Doctrine, which means you can shoot an intruder who enters your home.  But the laws can be complicated and differ between states and again, if you think that blasting away indiscriminately is always permissible because, by golly it just is, then you are a pig-anus fister like Quick Karl who deserves to be in the slammer anyway.  Also, you could end up in jail.  But hey, don't let me be the one to dissuade you Deputy Dawg.  Drill that varmint full of lead and let God sort it out.

you still have the best user name on this site. You also might be crazy

[Inglorious Bitch]

That is the most ridiculous bullshit I have ever heard of.  Where did you get that, some NRA fanboi site trying to cook up some rationale for preserving the 2nd amendment?  What an amazingly stupid thing to say.  By the way, just for the benefit of people who are NOT this guy, if you shoot someone during the course of a burglary to stop them from stealing your stuff, you will be thrown in jail.  If he dies you will be liable for a 2nd degree murder charge, more or less depending on the actual circumstances.  Don't listen to Mister "This Is My Rifle This Is My Penis" here.

Anyone who breaks into your home deserves to have their head fucking blown off. Do you really think burglars break into someone's home, take one or two items (cash and jewelry most times), tip their hat to you and leave? How many times do the home owners get killed or worse, raped and killed? You might want to read this article to enlighten yourself. You'll need to pull your head out of your ass in order to read.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/07/nyregion/07slay.html?_r=0

Think this is a one off? Think again. If anyone breaks into your home you have every reason to believe that you will be killed or your family will be harmed. It's stupid anti gun posts like this that make me want to go out and get a gun.

[Inglorious Bitch]

Saying that crime is low in Keenesaw Atlanta simply because "Criminals never know when they are going to face someone with a gun" is a odorous bit of ass-hattery that should not require explanation.

The great DPS declares it, so it must be true. Criminals size up their victims. They can tell who is going to put up a fight and who isn't. They go after the weak. If a criminal knows that he may get shot, it's not worth it to take a chance like breaking in since things could go south real fast. Those states where you can rightly shoot an assailant who breaks into your home in self defense are bound to have less crime than states where the criminals rights are always put before the victims.

[Mind Flayer Monk]

If a criminal knows that he may get shot, it's not worth it to take a chance like breaking in since things could go south real fast.

Nope, people will take the risk to steal your guns.

[Yorkshire pud]

The great DPS declares it, so it must be true. Criminals size up their victims. They can tell who is going to put up a fight and who isn't. They go after the weak. If a criminal knows that he may get shot, it's not worth it to take a chance like breaking in since things could go south real fast. Those states where you can rightly shoot an assailant who breaks into your home in self defense are bound to have less crime than states where the criminals rights are always put before the victims.

Actually, statistically no. You're more likely to be shot if you own a gun with your own gun. It's around four times more likely.

[Inglorious Bitch]

Actually, statistically no. You're more likely to be shot if you own a gun with your own gun. It's around four times more likely.

I'll take my chances.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr63/nvsr63_03.pdf

According to the CDC, in 2011†, of 32,351 deaths due to firearms, 591 deaths were due to "accidental discharge" and an additional 248 due to "undetermined intent"[1].  Compare this to 19,990 suicides and 11,068 homicides by firearms in the same year, and we find that the percentage of deaths due to firearms that was either unintentional (accidental) or indeterminate is very small (2.59%).

Also in 2011 (to keep things consistent), according to the National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, of the 73,883 non-fatal firearms injuries that year, 14,675 (19.86%) were unintentional[2].

This paints a general picture that people who use guns overwhelmingly do so with intent.



† Mortality data is two years delayed.

[Yorkshire pud]

I'll take my chances.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr63/nvsr63_03.pdf

According to the CDC, in 2011†, of 32,351 deaths due to firearms, 591 deaths were due to "accidental discharge" and an additional 248 due to "undetermined intent"[1].  Compare this to 19,990 suicides and 11,068 homicides by firearms in the same year, and we find that the percentage of deaths due to firearms that was either unintentional (accidental) or indeterminate is very small (2.59%).

Also in 2011 (to keep things consistent), according to the National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, of the 73,883 non-fatal firearms injuries that year, 14,675 (19.86%) were unintentional[2].

This paints a general picture that people who use guns overwhelmingly do so with intent.



† Mortality data is two years delayed.

Yes indeed. Someone else is using the owner's weapon on the owner. That would count in the intent part.

[DigitalPigSnuggler]

Anyone who breaks into your home deserves to have their head fucking blown off. Do you really think burglars break into someone's home, take one or two items (cash and jewelry most times), tip their hat to you and leave? How many times do the home owners get killed or worse, raped and killed? You might want to read this article to enlighten yourself. You'll need to pull your head out of your ass in order to read.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/07/nyregion/07slay.html?_r=0

Think this is a one off? Think again. If anyone breaks into your home you have every reason to believe that you will be killed or your family will be harmed. It's stupid anti gun posts like this that make me want to go out and get a gun.

hifhfai#(&#@fheiehs.  I can't see the keyboard with all the estrogen that is being thrown in my face.

Scream and stamp your feet all that you like, missy, but the law does not agree with you and the law is what controls here.  You do not have a universal right to "blow the head off" someone because they entered your home and you don't like it.  Obvious-fuckin-ly, because what if it was a mistake?  Or a family member who lost a key?  What if it is someone harmless suffering from Alzheimers?  You seem to be big on digging up articles; look up the ones where Qweeksdraw McGraws like you "blow the head off" a family member because they made a mistake.

The weakness of the position that you and others have is shown by your Senda-like penchant for ignoring my points in favor of a strawman argument.  For the second fucking time now, I am not talking about using a gun in fucking self-defence!  I am fucking warning people not to listen to asshats who advocate blowing the fucking head off of someone because "they deserve it."  It's fuckheads like you that make these stupid two-fisted arguments, cheering OTHERS into acting on them and ruining their lives as a result.  FUCK. YOU.  People should educate themselves, not by listening to the ravings of some internet blowhard but by doing actual research about the laws in their states and being prepared to act accordingly so that they can fully defend themselves and their property within the boundaries of the law.

[Inglorious Bitch]

Yes indeed. Someone else is using the owner's weapon on the owner. That would count in the intent part.

That's why anyone owning a gun should learn to use it and should learn about gun safety. This is one of those agree to disagree topics. It's easy to quote statistics from articles and it's easy for statistics to be manipulated. In the end what it comes down to is you'd better hope no one with a gun attacks you or you're dead. I'll take my chances on owning a gun and possibly being able to save my life or the life of a loved one if I'm ever attacked.

[DigitalPigSnuggler]

The great DPS declares it, so it must be true. Criminals size up their victims. They can tell who is going to put up a fight and who isn't. They go after the weak. If a criminal knows that he may get shot, it's not worth it to take a chance like breaking in since things could go south real fast. Those states where you can rightly shoot an assailant who breaks into your home in self defense are bound to have less crime than states where the criminals rights are always put before the victims.

Quickly, go look up the home defence laws in the OP so that you have an excuse ready when I call you on it.

[DigitalPigSnuggler]

I'll take my chances.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr63/nvsr63_03.pdf

According to the CDC, in 2011†, of 32,351 deaths due to firearms, 591 deaths were due to "accidental discharge" and an additional 248 due to "undetermined intent"[1].  Compare this to 19,990 suicides and 11,068 homicides by firearms in the same year, and we find that the percentage of deaths due to firearms that was either unintentional (accidental) or indeterminate is very small (2.59%).

Also in 2011 (to keep things consistent), according to the National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, of the 73,883 non-fatal firearms injuries that year, 14,675 (19.86%) were unintentional[2].

This paints a general picture that people who use guns overwhelmingly do so with intent.



† Mortality data is two years delayed.

Lies, damned lies, and statistics.  I never expected this from you.  There's a back story here I don't know about.  PM me.