Aviation Thread - News, facts, questions, photos, videos, etc.

[Uncle Duke]

I would say they are Northrup F-5's

Agree with Walks, F-5s, look like A models.  There are still probably a half dozen nations that fly F-5s, including the USN who bought a batch of used aircraft from the Swiss for use as aggressors.  Also a year or so ago Iran announced they had developed a new fighter, turns out it was nothing more than an upgraded F-5.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/irans-new-fighter-isnt-so-scary-53682

[Hog]

I would say they are Northrup F-5's

Thank you. Twin J-85's.  I "thought" I was looking at a single engined a/c.

peace
Hog

[Yorkshire pud]

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28223/the-flyover-for-south-africas-presidential-inauguration-was-absolutely-bonkers

Very aggressive flying.

Perhaps they took their cue from this a few years ago? I think it was a Red arrows pilot driving the A380.


https://youtu.be/M5VowXJjE0s

[Uncle Duke]

Perhaps they took their cue from this a few years ago? I think it was a Red arrows pilot driving the A380.


https://youtu.be/M5VowXJjE0s

Reminded me of this idiot practicing for an airshow at Fairchild AFB back in the mid 90s.


https://youtu.be/0HJ4z1jGEcA

[Hog]

I'm sure most of you military A/C buffs are already familiar with teh youtube channel "Aircraft Interview" but just in case, here you go.  The interviewer is British so he has some great contacts within the RAF and Royal Navy.

This interview is with a F-111 Aardvark pilot.

https://youtu.be/A-hrrMlksNA


There are some excellent interviews with F-14 pilots and RIOs. Here is an interview with David "BIO" Baranek, a former US Navy RADAR Intercept Officer(RIO-backseater in the F-14 A/B/D).  His name and callsign is the very first of all the military mentions listed in the credits of the 1986 movie "Top Gun".


https://youtu.be/JPC4aMMfTtc

One of the best military a/c interview channels.

peace
Hog

[Yorkshire pud]

Reminded me of this idiot practicing for an airshow at Fairchild AFB back in the mid 90s.


https://youtu.be/0HJ4z1jGEcA

That was an accident waiting to happen. Showboating asshole with the CFI (I think) in the jump seat who was evaluating his competence! I understand he'd already been dragged over the coals for similar stuff previously.

Here's the exact same stall recreated with a scale model...This guy was banned from official displays after this. The eight turbines were about $2000 each.


https://youtu.be/68WZ6PgsBhM

[Hog]

Perhaps they took their cue from this a few years ago? I think it was a Red arrows pilot driving the A380.


https://youtu.be/M5VowXJjE0s

"Rouge, Blanc et Bleu-nous sommes Couleur ne pas courir!"
"Red white and Blue- these colours don't run!"

Does anyone know the tactical importance/significance of the single a/c flying behind/below the A380?


peace
Hog

[Yorkshire pud]

"Rouge, Blanc et Bleu-nous sommes Couleur ne pas courir!"
"Red white and Blue- these colours don't run!"

Does anyone know the tactical importance/significance of the single a/c flying behind/below the A380?


peace
Hog

There are nine aircraft in the team. It's just for symmetry. I've seen them several times, everything about their displays is precise. From landing, taxiing to the hard standing and all turning at the same time to park up. They take ten aircraft, one is a back up.

[Hog]

Reminded me of this idiot practicing for an airshow at Fairchild AFB back in the mid 90s.


https://youtu.be/0HJ4z1jGEcA

That is the video which concentrates mostly on the practice for the show.  There is another longer video that shows this same footage but also shows some Air Force picture taking opportunities involving Holland some cliffs, drop tanks and some brave souls standing on those cliffs taking pictures.  He barely clears the cliffs in some pics.

Here is that video, it's now 12 years old.

https://youtu.be/YQa4PpIkOZU

That BUFF crash was crazy. Can't really call it an accident as the pilot had a history of showboating. One of the victims was on his "fini-flight" or his last flight before retiring from the AirForce.

In this picture you can actually see the co-pilots(front right)escape hatch that was jettisoned(it's the small dot near the vertical stabilizer) but there wasn't time to complete the ejection sequence prior to the crash.  The guy attempting to eject in the co-pilots seat was Lt. Col. McGeehan who was squadron commander.  He wouldn't allow ANY other personnel from the squadron fly with Holland unless McGeehan himself was aboard the a/c.


The ejection initiation sequence in the B-52 isn't a simple single motion like most seats.

peace
Hog

[Walks_At_Night]

That BUFF crash was crazy. Can't really call it an accident as the pilot had a history of showboating. One of the victims was on his "fini-flight" or his last flight before retiring from the AirForce.

Guess he watched too many movies Hog.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND3Q2_9zwpY

[K_Dubb]

"Rouge, Blanc et Bleu-nous sommes Couleur ne pas courir!"
"Red white and Blue- these colours don't run!"

I have always found a metaphor hailing from the laundry somewhat out of place in this context.

[Uncle Duke]

That is the video which concentrates mostly on the practice for the show.  There is another longer video that shows this same footage but also shows some Air Force picture taking opportunities involving Holland some cliffs, drop tanks and some brave souls standing on those cliffs taking pictures.  He barely clears the cliffs in some pics.

Here is that video, it's now 12 years old.

https://youtu.be/YQa4PpIkOZU

That BUFF crash was crazy. Can't really call it an accident as the pilot had a history of showboating. One of the victims was on his "fini-flight" or his last flight before retiring from the AirForce.

In this picture you can actually see the co-pilots(front right)escape hatch that was jettisoned(it's the small dot near the vertical stabilizer) but there wasn't time to complete the ejection sequence prior to the crash.  The guy attempting to eject in the co-pilots seat was Lt. Col. McGeehan who was squadron commander.  He wouldn't allow ANY other personnel from the squadron fly with Holland unless McGeehan himself was aboard the a/c.


The ejection initiation sequence in the B-52 isn't a simple single motion like most seats.

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Hog

No seat in the world, then or now, would have saved any crewmembers who initiated ejection at this point.

[Yorkshire pud]

As ejections go, these were damned close.


https://youtu.be/AZ6bwylElsw


https://youtu.be/oh3c3U5ajWE

The second one stops before the pilot stands up, reaches into his breast pocket and opens a packet of cigs!

[Hog]

No seat in the world, then or now, would have saved any crewmembers who initiated ejection at this point.

Agreed, they were WAY outside the envelope for that or any ejection seat.

Here is an oldie but a goodie from the USAF about ejection seat "Vectors".


https://youtu.be/09DckvwFrXY

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Hog

[Hog]

As ejections go, these were damned close.



The second one stops before the pilot stands up, reaches into his breast pocket and opens a packet of cigs!

The narrator of the 2nd clip says that a burst of flame could be seen from the LEFT engine.  It was actually the RIGHT engine that fails during the high alpha pass while the left engine is still providing thrust.  This thrust differential was enough to overcome the twin vertical stabilizers control authority and the jet yaws hard to the right.

Here are a couple Canadian ejections.

https://youtu.be/0HDIxzSMp-0

CF-18 Hornet which are US F/A-18 A's and B's.  This video actually shows you a great vantage point of the "false canopy" that is painted on the bottom of the jet.  The idea was that it could confuse an enemy for a split second possibly giving some sort of an advantage up close.  The CF-18 has all the goodies used for carrier landings. Strengthened airframe, dual tired nose wheel with launch bar for carrier shots, strengthened landing gear, folding wings, carrier strength arrestor hook.  There was a land based version the F-18L, "L" for land operations: eliminating the wing fold, launch bar and holdback bar, use of a single nose wheel, and reducing weight by use of thinner gauge skins, bulkheads and keels.  the Canadians opted for the heavier duty carrier version and bought 62 single seat (F/A-18-A models and 18 dual seat versions F/A-18B models.
We recently bought 25 Australian F/A-18s for 3-4 million dollars a piece. 18 will be flying by Summer 2019 while 7 will be used for parts.


C/F-18's refuling from a US KC-135 Stratotanker assigned to the 340th Expeditionary Air Refueling Squadron on October 30, 2014, over Iraq.



And here is a Hawk trainer jet with a very experienced Instructor Pilot(834 hours in type in the back with a British exchange Student Pilot(96.5 hours in type) in the front.
The SP suffered minor burn injuries while the IP suffered major spinal injuries.  The Hawk uses a Miniature Detonating Cord(MDC) to shatter the canopy before teh seats go through it.  This MDC burned the SP during the ejection sequence.  This is a particularily interesting video as its from inside teh cockpit and illustrates the preparation for ejection.  "Prepare to abandon the aircraft."  "OK bud, you ready to go?"


https://youtu.be/H2zB7Z-b6Kc

Here is the full report

http://www.check-six.com/images/MooseJaw/ct155202-eng.pdf

The flight surgeon was delayed getting to teh scene as his helicopter experienced a malfunction.  A local woman who is a nurse whose husband is also a pilot was a first responder.  A base ambulance took the Instructor Pilot to the local hospital but because 9-1-1 was not called, the hospital was NOT expecting the arrival of a serious spinal patient. Also, due to the fact that the local hospital had not updated its information to the base, the base ambulance had trouble finding the correct emergency entrance into the hospital. Then after 2 more transfers, the IP was in the correct hospital for his injuries.

the Hawk uses the Martin_Baker MK-10 ejection seat.
http://martin-baker.com/products/#ejection

Canadian CT-155 Hawk  The US version is called the Goshawk


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Hog

[Chocolate coated jackboot]

Hog did you ever make it to any of the London Air shows back in the 80's? They were incredible

[Uncle Duke]

Hog did you ever make it to any of the London Air shows back in the 80's? They were incredible

I used to go to the Hamilton Air Show back in the 80s and 90s, cosponsored in those days by the city and the CWHM. Watched an RAF Victor tanker land short of the runway there in 1986.

[Taaroa]

I went to Farnborough whatever year Brazil hosted the world cup (2014?) and it was the last time the Vulcan flew there. Probably wouldn't go back - massive crowds and not the easiest place to reach, all for an airshow less impressive than Avalon.

https://twitter.com/Redbullairrace/status/1133663211763437570

[Taaroa]

F-35 Dogfight Accidentally Resulted in a Sky Penis, Officials Say

Six F-35 Joint Strike Fighters from the 56th Fighter Wing at Luke Air Force Base, Arizona, simulating aggressor air training accidentally created contrails that resembled a penis, base officials told Military.com

"We've seen the photos that have been circulating online from Tuesday afternoon," said spokeswoman Maj. Rebecca Heyse in an email. "The 56th Fighter Wing senior leadership reviewed the training tapes from the flight and confirmed that F-35s conducting standard fighter training maneuvers Tuesday afternoon in the Gladden and Bagdad military operating airspace resulted in the creation of the contrails.

"There was no nefarious or inappropriate behavior during the training flight," she continued. "The flight audio was reviewed by senior leadership, and it confirmed the statements by the pilots explaining what happened."

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/05/30/f-35-dogfight-accidentally-resulted-sky-penis-officials-say.html

"accidentally"

[Yorkshire pud]

I went to Farnborough whatever year Brazil hosted the world cup (2014?) and it was the last time the Vulcan flew there. Probably wouldn't go back - massive crowds and not the easiest place to reach, all for an airshow less impressive than Avalon.

Farnborough tends to be the shop window the way the Paris airshow is. The aircraft aren't there for the crowds, they're there for the customers who will buy them.

[Taaroa]

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28223/the-flyover-for-south-africas-presidential-inauguration-was-absolutely-bonkers

Very aggressive flying.

That's pretty impressive. Having known an SAA A340 pilot, it makes me nervous just watching it...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMlo_zfmrMQ

[Asuka Langley]

The "Big Nigger"

[K_Dubb]

The "Big Nigger"

I always thought the British WW2 names were a bit twee:  Fairey Swordfish, Firefly, Skua, Mosquito (bzzz bzzz), Fulmar (wth), and I don't know what the hell a Beaufighter is but it doesn't sound badass.  They took a perfectly badass Wildcat and renamed it the Martlet so as not to frighten the enemy too much I guess.  Spitfah would be fine if they could pronounce it right.

[ItsOver]

This is a pretty cool B-2 flyover.  It first shows at about the 30 second mark.


http://youtu.be/4X0GREU9p-Y

[Uncle Duke]

I always thought the British WW2 names were a bit twee:  Fairey Swordfish, Firefly, Skua, Mosquito (bzzz bzzz), Fulmar (wth), and I don't know what the hell a Beaufighter is but it doesn't sound badass.  They took a perfectly badass Wildcat and renamed it the Martlet so as not to frighten the enemy too much I guess.  Spitfah would be fine if they could pronounce it right.

The British aircraft manufacturers came up with the names of their aircraft, each company having their own theme.  Manufacturer and aircraft name were often alliterative. Hawker, for example used storms (Hurricane, Typhoon, Tempest), Bristol used the names of famous British statesmen throughout history.  In the case of the Beaufighter, it was a strike fighter derivative of the Beaufort torpedo bomber named after a duke or some other aristocracy type.

Agree with you about the British names given for foreign made, especially US, aircraft.  They eventually went to the system of just using the US names, saved a lot of confusion.

[K_Dubb]

The British aircraft manufacturers came up with the names of their aircraft, each company having their own theme.  Manufacturer and aircraft name were often alliterative. Hawker, for example used storms (Hurricane, Typhoon, Tempest), Bristol used the names of famous British statesmen throughout history.  In the case of the Beaufighter, it was a strike fighter derivative of the Beaufort torpedo bomber named after a duke or some other aristocracy type.

Agree with you about the British names given for foreign made, especially US, aircraft.  They eventually went to the system of just using the US names, saved a lot of confusion.

The one that annoys me the most is the Mosquito, pronounced moe-skee-teau in a tone that is always a little precious, because they are always prating about it and the heartwarming story about how boys built them at home with bristol board and dowels while Mother covered it with Pop's old neckties and Grandma loaded the bomb bay with last year's Christmas pudding.

[DocHolliday]

Reminded me of this idiot practicing for an airshow at Fairchild AFB back in the mid 90s.


https://youtu.be/0HJ4z1jGEcA

That guy should have never of been allowed to be flying that plane.

[Uncle Duke]

The one that annoys me the most is the Mosquito, pronounced moe-skee-teau in a tone that is always a little precious, because they are always prating about it and the heartwarming story about how boys built them at home with bristol board and dowels while Mother covered it with Pop's old neckties and Grandma loaded the bomb bay with last year's Christmas pudding.

The Germans were so taken with the Mosquito, they tried to develop their own "Wooden Wonder" and named it Mosquito (actually Miskito in German) as well.


https://youtu.be/ei03mkG8X1k

[K_Dubb]

The Germans were so taken with the Mosquito, they tried to develop their own "Wooden Wonder" and named it Mosquito (actually Miskito in German) as well.


https://youtu.be/ei03mkG8X1k

Cool, thanks!  That's a new one on me.

[DocHolliday]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s40HBIHdZlw