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Started by Taaroa, June 04, 2017, 09:15:23 AM


albrecht

Quote from: Taaroa on September 06, 2019, 11:50:53 AM

American Airlines mechanic charged with sabotaging plane
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49607684




“I do admit the guilt,” Abdul-Majeed Marouf Ahmed Alani, 60, said through an Arabic interpreter in Miami federal court. 

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article238483208.html



Taaroa

QuoteAs 1987 came to a close, the Afghan government began losing its grip over some military units. In October, two DRAAF Mi-8 helicopter crews defected to Pakistan; weeks later, a DRAAF Su-22 attempted to bomb the Presidential Palace in Kabul. In response, the Soviets deployed the 115th Guards Independent Fighter Squadron, flying Mikoyan MiG-29 Fulcrums, to Termez Airbase with the explicit purpose of protecting Kabul’s airspace. Weeks later, at least four DRAAF Su-22s made another attempt to attack the Presidential Palace; All were shot down by Soviet MiG-29s.

https://www.thefuldagap.com/2019/12/28/air-power-in-afghanistan-1979-2001/






Uncle Duke

Quote from: Taaroa on December 28, 2019, 10:04:56 PM
https://www.thefuldagap.com/2019/12/28/air-power-in-afghanistan-1979-2001/





I always liked the IL-28, roughly the Soviet equivalent of the Canberra/B-57.  There were several thousand of them made in the USSR (and Chinese copies), probably at least 3-4 times the number of Canberras, but unlike the Canberra, they were seldom used in combat.  I think the Egyptians were the only operator to fly them in combat against another nation.

Interesting episode of the Fighter Pilot Podcast where the guest was a A-5 Vigilante pilot.
Not too many of them guys walking around as less than 200 were ever built. 


Uncle Duke

Quote from: Walks_At_Night on December 29, 2019, 09:04:21 PM
Interesting episode of the Fighter Pilot Podcast where the guest was a A-5 Vigilante pilot.
Not too many of them guys walking around as less than 200 were ever built. 



A beautiful, elegant a/c, I saw one flying into WPAFB as a youngster back in the early 70s.  I didn't realize how big it was until I saw one on display at Pax River.

Hog

Wasnt she the largest a/c to cat and trap operationally from an aircraft carrier?

The maximum weight of a landing aircraft to use the arresting gear is 54,000 pounds.  This max landing weight is the reason why a F-14 could never land aboard a carrier with 6 unused AIM-54 Phoenix missiles retained on the a/c.
74,300 pounds was the max. catapult shot weight. This keeps the horizontal "tow" forces under the 213,000 pounds/107 tons of pull.

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No I was wrong, very wrong. 
The only thing bigger than the F-14 is the A-5's length: A-5= 76.5 feet F-14D=69-3/4 feet.  Oh and the A-5 could carry nuclear weapons.

A-5A Vigilante
Crew: 2
Length: 76 ft 6 in (23.32 m)
Wingspan: 53 ft 0 in (16.16 m)
Height: 19 ft 5 in (5.91 m)
Wing area: 701 sq ft (65.1 m2)
Empty weight: 32,783 lb (14,870 kg)
Gross weight: 47,631 lb (21,605 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 63,085 lb (28,615 kg)
Powerplant: 2 × General Electric J79-GE-8 after-burning turbojet engines, 10,900 lbf (48 kN) thrust each dry, 17,000 lbf (76 kN) with afterburner

F-14
Crew: 2 (Pilot and Radar Intercept Officer)
Length: 62 ft 9 in (19.13 m)
Wingspan: 64 ft (20 m)
Lower wingspan: 38 ft 0 in (11.58 m) swept
Height: 16 ft (4.9 m)
Wing area: 565 sq ft (52.5 m2) wings only
1,008 sq ft (94 m2) effective area including fuselage
Empty weight: 43,735 lb (19,838 kg)
Gross weight: 61,000 lb (27,669 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 74,350 lb (33,725 kg)
Fuel capacity: 16,200 lb (7,348 kg) internal fuel; 2x optional 267 US gal (222 imp gal; 1,010 l) / 1,756 lb (797 kg) capacity external tanks[41]
Powerplant: 2 × General Electric F110-GE-400 afterburning turbofan engines, 16,610 lbf (73.9 kN) thrust each dry, 28,200 lbf (125 kN) with afterburner




peace
Hog

Uncle Duke

Quote from: Hog on December 31, 2019, 03:04:34 PM
Wasnt she the largest a/c to cat and trap operationally from an aircraft carrier?

The maximum weight of a landing aircraft to use the arresting gear is 54,000 pounds.  This max landing weight is the reason why a F-14 could never land aboard a carrier with 6 unused AIM-54 Phoenix missiles retained on the a/c.
74,300 pounds was the max. catapult shot weight. This keeps the horizontal "tow" forces under the 213,000 pounds/107 tons of pull.

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No I was wrong, very wrong. 
The only thing bigger than the F-14 is the A-5's length: A-5= 76.5 feet F-14D=69-3/4 feet.  Oh and the A-5 could carry nuclear weapons.

A-5A Vigilante
Crew: 2
Length: 76 ft 6 in (23.32 m)
Wingspan: 53 ft 0 in (16.16 m)
Height: 19 ft 5 in (5.91 m)
Wing area: 701 sq ft (65.1 m2)
Empty weight: 32,783 lb (14,870 kg)
Gross weight: 47,631 lb (21,605 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 63,085 lb (28,615 kg)
Powerplant: 2 × General Electric J79-GE-8 after-burning turbojet engines, 10,900 lbf (48 kN) thrust each dry, 17,000 lbf (76 kN) with afterburner

F-14
Crew: 2 (Pilot and Radar Intercept Officer)
Length: 62 ft 9 in (19.13 m)
Wingspan: 64 ft (20 m)
Lower wingspan: 38 ft 0 in (11.58 m) swept
Height: 16 ft (4.9 m)
Wing area: 565 sq ft (52.5 m2) wings only
1,008 sq ft (94 m2) effective area including fuselage
Empty weight: 43,735 lb (19,838 kg)
Gross weight: 61,000 lb (27,669 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 74,350 lb (33,725 kg)
Fuel capacity: 16,200 lb (7,348 kg) internal fuel; 2x optional 267 US gal (222 imp gal; 1,010 l) / 1,756 lb (797 kg) capacity external tanks[41]
Powerplant: 2 × General Electric F110-GE-400 afterburning turbofan engines, 16,610 lbf (73.9 kN) thrust each dry, 28,200 lbf (125 kN) with afterburner




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Hog

I think the A-3 Skywarrior was bigger, or at least heavier than either the A-5 or the F-14.

Taaroa

Quote from: Uncle Duke on December 28, 2019, 10:51:17 PM
I always liked the IL-28, roughly the Soviet equivalent of the Canberra/B-57.  There were several thousand of them made in the USSR (and Chinese copies), probably at least 3-4 times the number of Canberras, but unlike the Canberra, they were seldom used in combat.  I think the Egyptians were the only operator to fly them in combat against another nation.

I think that article I linked mentioned them being used in Afghanistan, but that might count as a civil war. They're apparently still in service with the North Koreans though:

https://thebaseleg.blogspot.com/2013/04/north-koreas-1940s-vintage-bombers-seen.html


Hog

Quote from: Uncle Duke on December 31, 2019, 03:51:59 PM
I think the A-3 Skywarrior was bigger, or at least heavier than either the A-5 or the F-14.
I forgot about the A-3.  You are correct.

Crew: 3
Length: 76 ft 4 in (23.27 m)
Wingspan: 72 ft 6 in (22.10 m)
Height: 22 ft 9.5 in (6.947 m)
Wing area: 812 sq ft (75.4 m2) with slats and CLE from A3D-2/A-3B
Empty weight: 39,409 lb (17,876 kg)
Gross weight: 70,000 lb (31,751 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 82,000 lb (37,195 kg)
Powerplant: 2 × Pratt & Whitney J57-P-10 turbojet engines, 10,500 lbf (47 kN) thrust each dry
12,400 lbf (55 kN) with water injection

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Hog

Hog

WB-57F Aircraft Regeneration

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2MWN5GFQic

Stoopid music. Eyed radder here nuffin.


Starting at 2:19 we get our first views of the Boeing Starliner before landing.  These views are from one of three WB-57's that NASA operates.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cnzuFloDtM

And here is another WB-57 recording the launch of of STS-114, the first shuttle launch after Columbia broke up in 2003.  Horrible tracking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLsSh3AYtFY&t=263s

peace
Hog

Uncle Duke

Quote from: Hog on January 02, 2020, 07:51:15 AM
I forgot about the A-3.  You are correct.

Crew: 3
Length: 76 ft 4 in (23.27 m)
Wingspan: 72 ft 6 in (22.10 m)
Height: 22 ft 9.5 in (6.947 m)
Wing area: 812 sq ft (75.4 m2) with slats and CLE from A3D-2/A-3B
Empty weight: 39,409 lb (17,876 kg)
Gross weight: 70,000 lb (31,751 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 82,000 lb (37,195 kg)
Powerplant: 2 × Pratt & Whitney J57-P-10 turbojet engines, 10,500 lbf (47 kN) thrust each dry
12,400 lbf (55 kN) with water injection

peace
Hog

The A-3 was the last US combat jet to be manufactured without ejection seats.  In an emergency, the three man crew were supposed to slid down escape chutes in the a/c floor, then manually deploy their parachutes once clear.  To my knowledge, that was never done.  The original designation of the USN Skywarrior was A3D, which flight crews claimed was an acronym for "All 3 Dead."

When the USAF adopted the Skywarrior as the B-66/RB-66/EB-66, they added ejection seats.

Taaroa

I miss Ansett, but there are still some reminders out there.  :'(





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QcYhJqN_6c

Also, CASA is still using poorly photocopied Ansett 727 manuals for their ATP exams to this day.

Hog

Not sure if you guys hav seen this.  U-2 carrier ops "testing" from the USS Ranger in May 1964.  There were 3 U-2s modified for carrier ops.  Strengthened landing gear and teh requisite tail hook and catapult attachments.
Immediately following this film, USS Ranger set sail for the Pacific in order to launch her spy planes to watch the French nuke testing.  Yes, these U-2s from the USS Ranger actually flew military carrier operations.
The cadre of pilots for these powered gliders were actually Navy U-2/Carrier qualified aviators.  Talk about a rare bunch, probably much smaller than the A-12 Cygnus (A-12 was the single seat camera only sports car model, while the longer/heavier/slower/lower flying SR-71"family" model carried a variable sensor suite requiring the rear Recon System Officer(RSO).

https://youtu.be/L8HMPMYL19E

peace
Hog


Uncle Duke

Quote from: Hog on January 03, 2020, 08:17:21 AM
Not sure if you guys hav seen this.  U-2 carrier ops "testing" from the USS Ranger in May 1964.  There were 3 U-2s modified for carrier ops.  Strengthened landing gear and teh requisite tail hook and catapult attachments.
Immediately following this film, USS Ranger set sail for the Pacific in order to launch her spy planes to watch the French nuke testing.  Yes, these U-2s from the USS Ranger actually flew military carrier operations.
The cadre of pilots for these powered gliders were actually Navy U-2/Carrier qualified aviators.  Talk about a rare bunch, probably much smaller than the A-12 Cygnus (A-12 was the single seat camera only sports car model, while the longer/heavier/slower/lower flying SR-71"family" model carried a variable sensor suite requiring the rear Recon System Officer(RSO).

https://youtu.be/L8HMPMYL19E

peace
Hog

I knew they launched U-2s from carriers, but I thought they flew their missions then continued on to land bases for specialized film and data processing.

This reminded me of the C-130's carrier career, such as it was.

https://youtu.be/uM5AI3YSV3M

Taaroa

Quote from: Uncle Duke on January 03, 2020, 08:56:29 AM
I knew they launched U-2s from carriers, but I thought they flew their missions then continued on to land bases for specialized film and data processing.

This reminded me of the C-130's carrier career, such as it was.

https://youtu.be/uM5AI3YSV3M

There was also this, which is a modified Caribou:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_eDutgh4IU

Uncle Duke

Quote from: Taaroa on January 03, 2020, 09:40:47 AM
There was also this, which is a modified Caribou:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_eDutgh4IU


And the XC-142 as well:

https://youtu.be/buh7_xLG4ZE

During the Vietnam war, there was a B-52 crew who, as a joke, lined up for a carrier landing.  Must have been a sight to see for the carrier crew.



Hog

Quote from: Uncle Duke on January 02, 2020, 09:08:51 AM
The A-3 was the last US combat jet to be manufactured without ejection seats.  In an emergency, the three man crew were supposed to slid down escape chutes in the a/c floor, then manually deploy their parachutes once clear.  To my knowledge, that was never done.  The original designation of the USN Skywarrior was A3D, which flight crews claimed was an acronym for "All 3 Dead."

When the USAF adopted the Skywarrior as the B-66/RB-66/EB-66, they added ejection seats.

IIRC there was some lawsuits between the US Navy and some of the families of lost servicemembers.

A3D -   "All Three Dead" that's a scary one that's all too true.  I wonder what the price tag was for outfitting the USAF Destroyer?

peace
Hog

Hog

Quote from: Uncle Duke on January 03, 2020, 08:56:29 AM
I knew they launched U-2s from carriers, but I thought they flew their missions then continued on to land bases for specialized film and data processing.

This reminded me of the C-130's carrier career, such as it was.

https://youtu.be/uM5AI3YSV3M
They could very well have NOT returned for operational landings, the testing video I showed had traps/ cat shots as it was simply testing.  From what I could gather, they only launched 2 actual operational missions from a carrier.  The 2 missions were to grab intel of French nuke testing in the South Pacific.   

The location of the tests are going to make film processing "interesting".  You'd want that U-2 aboard your aircraft carrier as little as possible.  The USS Ranger did some testing with U-2 in 1964, supposedly it was used operationally for 2 missions later in the year.

There was also some carrier/U2 testing done in 1969.  "On 24 January, America arrived at the Norfolk Naval Shipyard to begin a nine-month overhaul. Upon completion of the overhaul, the carrier conducted post-repair trials and operated locally off the Virginia Capes. During one period of local operations, between 21â€"23 November 1969, America took part in carrier suitability tests for the Lockheed U-2R reconnaissance plane."  The U-2R is a larger type of U-2.  The US wanted to keep tabs of the Peoples Republic of China nuclear development, so much so that a special Taiwanese squadron of U-2 planes called the "Black Cat" squadron.  For these Chinese/SouthEast Asian intell missions, there would have been a lot of land in a different place than you launched from.  Initially developing had to take place either at Guam or Akinawa. 
"Initially, all film taken by the Black Cat Squadron would be flown to Okinawa or Guam for processing and development, and the U.S. forces would not share any mission photos with ROC. In the late 1960s, the USAF agreed to share complete sets of mission photos and help set up a photo development and interpretation unit at Taoyuan, Taiwan.
Here's a pic showing the "66" of the USS America/U-2.


The French initially did their nuke tests in "In Eker" where in one test, they managed to contaminate many people who were working/watching the test.  1999 testing of the area shows Cesium-137 contamination. Apparently the dose absorbed in 1999 is 10% to that was measured in 1966.
In total, 181 explosions took place at Moruroa and Fangataufa, 41 of which were atmospheric.

Testing was then conducted in the French Polynesia atolls of:
Fangataufa


and
Mururoa.



And a map illustrating the seclusion of the South Pacific
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Attachments
1) A KH-7 Gambit spy sat images of Mururoa Atomic Test Site in French Polynesia, May 26, 1967

peace
Hog





Taaroa

In case Reuters deletes this gem of a headline/pictute combo:
QuoteSouth African military plane crash lands in Congo, no sign of major damage

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1215360690900303874

https://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20200109-0


Taaroa

Quote from: Walks_At_Night on January 09, 2020, 08:53:05 PM
Like........  The left wing is off.

Reading the second link, it caught fire too and:
QuoteAircraft damage:   Substantial
Aircraft fate:   Written off (damaged beyond repair)

;D


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