Billy Meier - Michael Horn

[GravitySucks]

I'm confused, are you eating ass or contemplating things while resting your chin on your knees?

Yes, you are confused

[Auslandia]

Damn I was about to spank it to a Billy Meier thread.  An all time low

[mahigitam]

It was explained to, and published by, Meier in the late 1970s that some of his space photos, most in fact, had either been stolen or manipulated, falsified, etc., so that, therefore, they weren’t to be regarded as authentic, etc.

Blatant lie!
Meier only in 1990's, long after people have already spotted several fakes in his collection finally played "MIB" card. Until then, all he stated for the identicalness between his pictures and those of others, was that either:

1. ETs, who have been influencing these artists by sending telepathic impulses, have "accidentally" sent them too soon which made them drew/animate/set-up the same image years/months Meier "independently" produces the same images during his space trips in 1970's.
2. Or that they have copied it from Meier.

http://www.billymeieruforesearch.com/photos-and-videos/space-and-time-travel-pictures-overview-and-implications/#But_then_why_did_Meier_recall_his_space_pictures_in_19708217s


The fact Michael Horn wishes to suppress is that ironically there are several dozen fakes in Meier's collection of around 50 space photos which EVEN TODAY publishes (also sells them) in his books as GENUINE that are AUTHENTICATED by the extraterrestrial Ptaah AGAINST any MIB-fabrication. Scans of the pages from those books that are still being sold TODAY are available in the below link. Michael Horn and FIGU even are selling those same books on their websites for years.

http://ufoprophet.blogspot.in/2015/11/facts-for-stanton-friedman-exposing.html

[Auslandia]

Blatant lie!
Meier only in 1990's, long after people have already spotted several fakes in his collection finally played "MIB" card. Until then, all he stated for the identicalness between his pictures and those of others, was that either:

1. ETs, who have been influencing these artists by sending telepathic impulses, have "accidentally" sent them too soon which made them drew/animate/set-up the same image years/months Meier "independently" produces the same images during his space trips in 1970's.
2. Or that they have copied it from Meier.


And chances are, if there are many proven fakes that would skew the burden of proof to Meier.  Horn has this funny way of posting bullshit photo analysis then waiting a few weeks & claiming that since nobody disproved it, it must be true.
http://www.billymeieruforesearch.com/photos-and-videos/space-and-time-travel-pictures-overview-and-implications/#But_then_why_did_Meier_recall_his_space_pictures_in_19708217s


The fact Michael Horn wishes to suppress is that ironically there are several dozen fakes in Meier's collection of around 50 space photos which EVEN TODAY publishes (also sells them) in his books as GENUINE that are AUTHENTICATED by the extraterrestrial Ptaah AGAINST any MIB-fabrication. Scans of the pages from those books that are still being sold TODAY are available in the below link. Michael Horn and FIGU even are selling those same books on their websites for years.

http://ufoprophet.blogspot.in/2015/11/facts-for-stanton-friedman-exposing.html

[henge0stone]

Blatant lie!
Meier only in 1990's, long after people have already spotted several fakes in his collection finally played "MIB" card. Until then, all he stated for the identicalness between his pictures and those of others, was that either:

1. ETs, who have been influencing these artists by sending telepathic impulses, have "accidentally" sent them too soon which made them drew/animate/set-up the same image years/months Meier "independently" produces the same images during his space trips in 1970's.
2. Or that they have copied it from Meier.

http://www.billymeieruforesearch.com/photos-and-videos/space-and-time-travel-pictures-overview-and-implications/#But_then_why_did_Meier_recall_his_space_pictures_in_19708217s


The fact Michael Horn wishes to suppress is that ironically there are several dozen fakes in Meier's collection of around 50 space photos which EVEN TODAY publishes (also sells them) in his books as GENUINE that are AUTHENTICATED by the extraterrestrial Ptaah AGAINST any MIB-fabrication. Scans of the pages from those books that are still being sold TODAY are available in the below link. Michael Horn and FIGU even are selling those same books on their websites for years.

http://ufoprophet.blogspot.in/2015/11/facts-for-stanton-friedman-exposing.html

Occam's razor and common sense team up again to fumble Mr. Meier

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

All sincere questions answered with...sincerity.

That's fair enough, so in keeping with the spirit of sincerity, please explain how, as you have asserted for the record, one prediction from 1981 can specifically pertain to events that occurred ten years apart in Paris.  I've asked you about this a couple of times, granted in a somewhat derisive way, and you have yet to respond.  Since you are offering to answer all sincere questions, I would very much like to hear your sincere answer. Thank you. 

[Yorkshire pud]

All the model makers could do was drool and slobber, since they didn't have a clue how to "duplicate" them. And there are others.

Oh please! I build radio control gliders,  I can show you model jets that photographed from 10 yards you'd find it impossible to tell if they're real or models.

[akwilly]

Hey Mr. Horn how much would it cost me to live in Billy's commune if I paid in cash?

[MV/Liberace!]

What we need is more photos of dinner plates with gummy bears glued to them.

heh heh... that would be some ufo evidence my 3 year old daughter could get into.

[BobGrau]

It's a space station!!

[henge0stone]

Michael Horn or the Plejarans (or both) are schizophrenic. They want you to believe they are real, come to Billy, then decide fuck it we are gonna get trash cans and fake photos to make people think we aren't real.

Michael says we gotta think our way through the evidence and that there is no article of faith in believing Billy but then says the Plejarans know we aren't ready so they give us evidence that can be duplicated, and therefore proves nothing.

The real question Michael is what are you doing promoting the case? If the Plejarans decided we aren't ready to know of their existence, and won't give us any proof than why are you even bothering to get people to believe it? 

[Claudius]

Love the flying trash can/cake pan lids! Thanks for the laughs Michael!

[Yorkshire pud]

Michael Horn or the Plejarans (or both) are schizophrenic. They want you to believe they are real, come to Billy, then decide fuck it we are gonna get trash cans and fake photos to make people think we aren't real.

Michael says we gotta think our way through the evidence and that there is no article of faith in believing Billy but then says the Plejarans know we aren't ready so they give us evidence that can be duplicated, and therefore proves nothing.

The real question Michael is what are you doing promoting the case? If the Plejarans decided we aren't ready to know of their existence, and won't give us any proof than why are you even bothering to get people to believe it?

Because the Plejarans have long since dispensed with the need for vulgarity such as monetary return....However, Mikey hasn't.

[Auslandia]

Because the Plejarans have long since dispensed with the need for vulgarity such as monetary return....However, Mikey hasn't.

He has an interesting approach for sure... just tell people they don't "get it" and post a bunch of web links that prove nothing. 

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

Oh please! I build radio control gliders,  I can show you model jets that photographed from 10 yards you'd find it impossible to tell if they're real or models.

That's impressive!  If only you could do all that without drooling and slobbering so much.

[henge0stone]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLt7-OqZmyk

The funniest thing about this video is Michael Horn is in the comments arguing with people. Seriously is this how Horn represents Meier? By arguing in youtube comments. 

[Yorkshire pud]

That's impressive!  If only you could do all that without drooling and slobbering so much.

I like flying, drool free. Not so turned on watching others fly unless I'm teaching them and they're improving. I like looking at scale models and admire how some have incredible detail although most of it is invisible at any distance, but no slobbering.

Mikey babes really thinks everyone else is as deluded as him..any model maker of decent ability will not have drooled over trashcan lids and christmas baubles glued to them, that some dolts believe are real spaceships, and can't be replicated.

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

I like flying, drool free. Not so turned on watching others fly unless I'm teaching them and they're improving. I like looking at scale models and admire how some have incredible detail although most of it is invisible at any distance, but no slobbering.

I can accept that. Now, if only you could do something about the oozing and seeping...

[Yorkshire pud]

I can accept that. Now, if only you could do something about the oozing and seeping...

I really will try.

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

I really will try.

I wish I could believe that, but you said the same thing in Macao, and after the disastrous events of that weekend it's all but impossible.

[henge0stone]

The problem with Horn's proof is just because someone is an expert in a certain area that doesn't mean they have a say in what is and is not reality. Its also not as if every 'expert' who has looked at the videos and photos even have a consensus.

Here are some analysis's which disagree and some of them have as good or better credentials than Rhal Zahi

http://www.openminds.tv/deconstruction-billy-meiers-metal-samples/28955
http://www.openminds.tv/beamships-busted/12363

Not to mention responses to Rhal Zahi crappy analysis

http://ufodigest.com/article/dancing-ufo-filmmaker-dan-drasin-comments-rhal-zahis-analysis-billy-meier-beamship-ufo-film

http://ufoprophet.blogspot.in/2014/02/the-cave-men-photos-controversy-outer.html#axzz3HiJBw2un

http://ufoprophet.blogspot.in/2015/06/bmufor-billy-meiers-outer-space.html#ixzz3euXldVAs

But as I said people with credentials don't necessarily prove reality but how many credentials do you really need to see that Phil Langdon's photos and videos look exactly the same? Not to mention there are no negatives and Billy said his photos have been tampered with.

So his UFO photos don't show us any real proof.

[Yorkshire pud]

I wish I could believe that, but you said the same thing in Macao, and after that disastrous events of that weekend it's all but impossible.

Yeah, but the face on Sarah 'Muscles' Thrum was priceless. Oh we laughed!

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

Yeah, but the face on Sarah 'Muscles' Thrum was priceless. Oh we laughed!

Oh, stop!  I'm trying to stay angry at you, and you're not helping.

[Auslandia]

Yes but he presented it all to some university group so it's real.

[pate]

I doan kare, Billy is a sub-genius!

Billy may be gone, but he had this youth pastor that "touched" me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yaw7qX_ZDNE

All hail!

[pate]

...

The problem with Horn's proof ...

Bishop Horn's poof?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHPB8Db-Zqw

That yums it yup, eh>?

[pate]

Our prophet spreaks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ihKq34Ozc

[Yorkshire pud]

The funniest thing about this video is Michael Horn is in the comments arguing with people. Seriously is this how Horn represents Meier? By arguing in youtube comments.

To summarise, Micheal Horn's idea of imparting knowledge and understanding; fielding the doubters and sceptics is as follows:

1) Post links to his website, implying it's a completely impartial scientific font of debated, argued, agreed and proven information.

2) Never accept he's wrong.

3) Refer any doubters to further links (see #1).

4) If doubters still doubt or worse still, dismiss as a hoax or simply show evidence of it being a hoax, (Refer: 'King's new clothes', Hans Christian Andersen); ridicule, mock, take a boorish and uncompromising stance whereby the doubter is made to appear a heretic, deviant or criminal. (See; Mike Bara)

5) Make reference to someone's anonymous screen name as some kind of cowardice, impropriety, lack of intelligence or crime.

6) Always always treat sceptics as stupid, irrespective of their true intelligence and/or their formal academic or vocational abilities.

7) Never ever consider Billy Meier as possibly being wrong/ a charlatan/ hoaxer or fraud, irrespective the fact his ex wife saying he's a hoaxer (Dismiss that as simply a bitter woman)

8 ) Always refer to peddling this crock of shit as 'work' or 'research' and live off the proceeds of this cult.


I'm sure there may be more points.

[Yorkshire pud]

The trouble with the internet is it's democratic.  This fuckwit REALLY believes what he thinks..Horn is in good company.


https://youtu.be/kELjoMqAowo

[Yorkshire pud]

Doesn't he come across as a reasonable, kindly and critical thinking individual?

https://youtu.be/qsANYUitSkc