Terror attack in Nice, France

[NowhereInTime]

Damn, your ideology has blinded you.

Your shortsighted hatred, lust for lucre, and cowardice has invalidated you.  Step back and take a breath.

[NowhereInTime]

I'm not even going to waste my time reading that. No one cares.

Fine, dipshit, but understand it's why I come in here from time to time.  You are a total fuck up.

[Richard Groyper]

Your shortsighted hatred, lust for lucre, and cowardice has invalidated you.  Step back and take a breath.

Good quote NiT. You should have that inscribed on your tombstone. Nevermind, the Islamists will just toss your corpse into a mass grave with the rest of your family. But it's the thought that counts, right?

[21st Century Man]

Your shortsighted hatred, lust for lucre, and cowardice has invalidated you.  Step back and take a breath.

Yes I hate Islamic radicals who randomly kill children, women and the elderly.  It seems like the proper reaction. You seem to want to give these terrorists the benefit of the doubt.   And don't give me the line that we created these radicals.  That is not true.  Mohammed created them.  These radicals want to take over the world with their sharia law and some even want to bring on the end days.  Money doesn't mean much to me.  Its nice to have but I don't lust after it.  As to where I'm being cowardly, enlighten me.

I suppose you also want to ban 18 wheelers too.

[albrecht]

It's a shame that the police didn't question his story about delivering ice cream when the truck he was driving did not have a refrigeration unit. They could have arrested him 9 hours before the attack.

If they operate like our current government has been mandated police to operate they likely didn't question him too hard, or ignored no refrigeration unit or even ice cream in the truck, lest they offend a Muslim. Like we ignored the Californian shooter, the Boston bombers, the Orlando shooters etc. Always 'on our radar' after the attacks but heaven forbid we "profile" or offend a Muslim to stop an atrocity.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

Fine, dipshit, but understand it's why I come in here from time to time.  You are a total fuck up.

You're a very emotional creature. First you ask me to understand you and spend time thinking about you, which you're not worth the time or energy. Then you insult me. You're all over the place.

[Value Of Pi]

Imagine my surprise upon entering MV's Cafe Merde du Poulet to see the response to the latest murderous Jihadist snit.

Do I see revelation?  Insight?  Understanding? Comprehension?

No.  Instead  I see gratuitous shots at Obama. 

I see yet more tedious "Black Lives Matter" jokes and "Truck Lives Matter" quips.  I'd write it off to "gallows humor" if weren't so unctuous. 

Most disappointing?  I see near reverence for that bloated symbol of self serving cowardice Newt Gingrich.  Newt "Newk'em" Gingrich, calling for an immediate repeal of the First Amendment (which protects so many of you here in Trolltown).  His fatuous gullet flapping, his fear mongering, should have immediately been condemned for it's blatantly anti-American connotation.  Instead, it has been lauded here by Chicken Hawk Nation.

Git them Muzzies.  It's ALWAYS the Muzzies.  WHYWONTOBLACKMASAYISLAMICTERROR?!?!?

I see mockery of Islam as a "religion of peace".  As if there is history justifying Christianity as "peaceful".  There are the absurdist notions of "War on the West" and "War of Civilizations". (War on Christmas, anyone?)

Fine.  Do as you wish; strut your whitehood. It's no more my site than your site.  But I would like to pose some very simple questions:

1) You condemn the people who participate in these attacks.  I get it; why should civilians be targeted?  Yet I ask you, how, then, should they fight their war?  You may immediately think "what war"?  To which I would refer you to the very notion of Jihad.

These are people who have seen the interference of outsiders (BTW, not just "white people" - Google "China and Islamic Fundamentalism") for centuries and have been unable to rid themselves of foreign influence.  Too often, their "leaders" (Shah of Iran, Saddam Hussein, The House of Saud, etc, etc) are supported by "non-local" regimes for their ability to stifle opposition to foreign influence. 

Can the indigent mobilize tank units or combat brigades, or air cavalry to oust foreign troops in their homelands?  No.
Can the average Middle Easterner then rely on a world of conscientious people to understand it's undue influence in their very daily lives and have it unilaterally abstain from involvement in the Middle East? No.
Can Arabs and Muslims peacefully rise up as a people to call upon the world to support their freedom and have it mean anything? As the Arab Spring and Occupy Wall Street have demonstrated, in this day and age of oppressive surveillance and mass destruction technology, sadly you can not.

So, again, I ask you: How should they fight their war?   Please don't tell me what they "shouldn't do".  We all agree running over children with trucks is mindless and barbaric. Please tell me what they should do in their own cause for freedom?

2)  We fought for our "freedom".  Why shouldn't they?

3) In this day and age of technology, given our superior strength (even as I write this, our operators are targeting and destroying their command and control, assisting  in the recapture of cities, and doing so with virtual impunity), isn't it incumbent upon us to ask what is our role in the Middle East?  We ignore violence in the Midwest but we are calling for more troops and materiel to the Middle East?  Why?  When do we leave it to its' own affairs?

4) You may be tempted to reply, "If we do it will be all out Civil War!".  You mean the kind we fought to sustain our nationhood and try to bring end to injustice?  Isn't that inevitable when tribalism is the de facto setting of human allegiance?

Terrorism, as we observe it, is escalating.  For some it is because they possess a wanton bloodlust that cannot be sated in civilized ways.  For most it is about the lack of autonomy in the course and conduct of their affairs.  For so many more it is an expression of frustration with the way life is in their region and our over-represented impact upon it.   

Your very expectations that they should somehow "mind their tone" and "suck it up" flies in the very face of the spirit that founded our own nation.  You expect them to surrender?  To yield in any way?  These people are willing to die rather than continue to accept circumstances as they are! We didn't stop until the Cornwallis surrendered.  For them it isn't so poignant; non-local people will have to leave and we will have to let them hash out their own thousand year differences. 

And, before you say it, if George Tenet, Porter Goss, David Petraeus, Michael Hayden, and so many other protectors of National Security admit we can't "kill our way out of this", then why would anyone here?  Ask the British how that worked out for them.

The most interesting post in this thread so far. You make some good points and ask some valid questions. But where you're going with this line of thinking is troubling for me.

I think where you're going is that the world -- including the West, East and the peoples of the Middle East -- might be better off in the end if all foreigners were to leave the Middle East to its fate, a massive sectarian war which would dwarf even the Syrian civil war.

After probably millions of deaths and great carnage, this line of tbought might posit, some relative peace and stability would emerge there. Meanwhile,  Muslims would be too busy killing each other to bother with terrorism elsewhere in the world. Afterwards, jihad would not extend beyond the ME and threaten anyone else.

Well, I don't think it would happen that way, except for the death and destruction part. And even worse, it would require that the world stand by and let this horror show happen, which would be, IMO, a bad thing for humanity. The closest parallel I can think of is the America First movement before WWII. They thought that America could co-exist with a Nazi-ruled Europe and a Japan-ruled Asia. We couldn't co-exist, practically or morally, with those two "evil empires" just as there is no way to co-exist with ISIS and Al-Queda.

As for the choices that Muslims in the ME have if they want to free themselves from outside interference, they have two. The first is, as you say, to fight any way they can, which means to their way of thinking, terrorism. The other, more practical and peaceful approach, is modernization.

Muslims in the Middle East do have a way to fight for the freedom or self-determination they want without killing people. They may not understand that yet but others do.

[VtaGeezer]

So, let me see if I understand you:  Europe, unified in trade, currency, and justice, survived Hitler but will be felled by douchebags in trucks? 

Decrepit one, your diaper clearly needs changing.

I don't expect you to understand me. You've long demonstrated a marked inability to understand anything beyond the simple mind's Kumbaya Theory of World Harmony. 

[Jackstar]

You've long demonstrated a marked inability to understand anything

Where are you at now, with your awareness of the truth of the Kennedy murder and the rogue geoengineering programs? It's time for your annual re-measuring of that high horse you've been perching on ever since your educational system has been hijacked.

[VtaGeezer]

Where are you at now, with your awareness of the truth of the Kennedy murder and the rogue geoengineering programs? It's time for your annual re-measuring of that high horse you've been perching on ever since your educational system has been hijacked.

18 hands.

[Jackstar]

18 hands.

[VtaGeezer]

Turkish crowds on TV are rejoicing.  Say "Bye" Reccip.

[Lilith]

You see the sky falling.

I understand your ability to empathize with the need of another to reject outside influence, and I share that concern,  but meanwhile, the difference in our views, I think, is represented in this image I saved from facebook.  I could be wrong.

[MV/Liberace!]

Your boy, Cheeto-Jesus, is Putin`s buddy. They`re going to work closely together.

Thank God that fucking idiot doesn`t have a chance of occupying the WH.

oh.  hey.  this brain dead old tool again.  kewl.

[ItsOver]

Fine, dipshit, but understand it's why I come in here from time to time.  You are a total fuck up.

[Jackstar]

oh.  hey.  this brain dead old tool again.  kewl.

JUST PUT HIM ON /TRUCK

[Dr. MD MD]

And don't give me the line that we created these radicals.  That is not true.

While we didn't start the religion of Islam we were willing to arm and train them in an effort to use them against our enemies and now, possibly, ourselves in an effort to steer political discourse. Pets are cute when they're young but they always get bigger, people! 

Aside from that I agree with everything you're saying and the sentiment in general. 

[pate]

And Youtube is doing their goddamndest to censor footage of the attacks.

What the fuck?

But of course, mon Cherie!  We all know how dangerous YouTube videos are!

Voulez-vous souvenir Benghazi, cette soir?

Or something to that effect.  Not Sure.

(Apologies if this dangerous point has already been made.  Has the YouTube cordon sanitaire been lifted yet?)

[pate]

Not sure I get why we call that city "Neece" and Marseilles "Marsay" but Paris isn't "Paree".

That is a subtlety only the residents of Versailles, MO can explain to you Yanks.

[pate]

The Black-ish?

Yes, although inexplicably spelled Black'rish, because it sounds cooler. 

I hear they allow hot Irish wymyns to join their normally closed religion/society, which is also a mystery...

I also hear Hollywood is considering a sequel to "The Witness", again, mysteriously in the style of "Another 48 Hours" to explore and introduce the public to this unique and peaceful religion.

I Heard it is going to be a mash-up, because that's what the kids like the days.  The release date isn't locked down yet, but insiders think it will be shortly before or after the next #Outrage and may have a Pokémon Go tie-in theme.

It all sounds really bizzarebazaar, but then you cannot always believe what you hear on the intartubes.

Carry On.

ediot:  I may tune into C2C if Noory is hosting tonight, I hope he has heard of this rumor and has some penetrating insight to offer in the opening segment of his shoe.

[ItsOver]

That is a subtlety only the residents of Versailles, MO can explain to you Yanks.

I love it when the terminally PC talking heads say "Leema," Ohio.

[VtaGeezer]

That is a subtlety only the residents of Versailles, MO can explain to you Yanks.

Or La Jolla CA.

[Jackstar]

However, a CNN reporter on the scene reported the weapons were all fake, after which CNN, NHK and others dropped the “full of weapons” meme from their coverage. Then there is the fact the impoverished alleged killer sent $100,000 to his family before the incident.

Can one of you research wizards get a source on any of this? I'm keeping myself pure, for my mistress.

[albrecht]

http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/19/mother-and-three-daughters-stabbed-in-french-resort-for-being-scantily-dressed-6016072/
One of those filthy Moroccan Muslims was upset that a lady and her daughters were 'scantily clad' and so stabbed them.

One of the so-called "refugees" in German goes on a rampage with a knife and ax on a train shouting, as the peaceful Muslims often do during their attacks, "Allahu Akbar." Luckily he was shot and killed by police so the German tax-payer won't have to fund his legal defense and keep paying to house and feed him.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3696410/Man-attacks-21-people-AXE-train-Germany-shot-police.html

These are the people our politicians, like Obama and Billary, say we need to import into our countries?

[FightTheFuture]

Or La Jolla CA.

Or Horry county, SC.

[GravitySucks]

Or La Jolla CA.

I still can't fathom Worcester, Mass.

[albrecht]

I can understand the logic, in a way, nobody likes to see Islam advance through propaganda or just sickos who get off on viewing death images watching, sending, and posting images of your dead loved ones all over the place. But:
1) likely images and video are already out there and in modern times it is hard to block dissemination of stuff, even if ugly stuff.
2) sadly, maybe only images and video of this latest peaceful Muslim action will 'wake people up' to the problem of unfettered immigration, "refugees," involvement in the Middle East, and allowing Muslims in our countries.
3) the ban might actually be an attempt by the politicians to shelter the people from the reality of Islam and their Muslim neighbors so that the open-borders, cultural relativism, political correctness, and "refugees" and "migrants" can continue to assist in the destruction of Western nations and cultures more easily.
http://gatesofvienna.net/2016/07/the-not-so-sudden-jihad-syndrome-in-nice/