USSC Justice Scalia Dead at 79

[Richard Groyper]

Yorkie Pud,
What do you think of the A-10 warthog? That one is my favorite of our american fighter planes.

All I have to offer is a paper airplane. 

[Yorkshire pud]

Yorkie Pud,
What do you think of the A-10 warthog? That one is my favorite of our american fighter planes.

Guilty pleasure; it's one of my favourite aeroplanes. I used to spot them when I was driving up into North Yorkshire; I believe they flew as a detachment from RAF Leeming. Always in pairs, always jinking around. Here in model form, real turbines...

https://youtu.be/JWvvn3WIHRM

https://youtu.be/pNQtc-z9BOI

[Yorkshire pud]

Oh, come now, you like a bit of drag, especially at the weekend, and it's a nice little earner for you in the panto season.

Here's the old boy in his work clothes.

I've moved on since that was taken; that was my violet period. I'm more into a fluorescent orange teamed with lime green accessories these days. But it's good you kept the last fan club newsletter. Cheers.

[littlechris]

Guilty pleasure; it's one of my favourite aeroplanes. I used to spot them when I was driving up into North Yorkshire; I believe they flew as a detachment from RAF Leeming. Always in pairs, always jinking around. Here in model form, real turbines...

https://youtu.be/JWvvn3WIHRM

https://youtu.be/pNQtc-z9BOI

Haha. Soo cool. Do they shoot BB's or at least make the  "BRRRRRR" sound?

[Yorkshire pud]

Haha. Soo cool. Do they shoot BB's or at least make the  "BRRRRRR" sound?

I know they don't do the former (The MOD get twitchy about airborne launched ordnance they're not directly involved with) but sound generators can be added, but I doubt you'd hear it above the sound of the engines.

[SredniVashtar]

People! Can we get this thread back on topic? Otherwise I shall have to write a very strongly worded letter to the Powers-That-Be. Can you kindly take your aeroporn somewhere else? Although I guess having a photo of a Warthog in the Scalia thread is somewhat appropriate.

[Richard Groyper]

People! Can we get this thread back on topic? Otherwise I shall have to write a very strongly worded letter to the powers-that-be. Can you kindly take your aeroporn somewhere else? Although I guess having a photo of a Warthog in the Scalia thread is somewhat appropriate.

I heard RGB used to ride the warthog.

[Yorkshire pud]

People! Can we get this thread back on topic? Otherwise I shall have to write a very strongly worded letter to the Powers-That-Be. Can you kindly take your aeroporn somewhere else? Although I guess having a photo of a Warthog in the Scalia thread is somewhat appropriate.

Scalia has left you something in his will. Or should have.

[FearBoysWithBugs]

Scalia has left you something in his will. Or should have.

A shoebox filled with oily diarrhea?

[albrecht]

When Kennedy was murdered it became a Federal case and the body was whisked away from State authorities, an autopsy was done, there were hearings and investigations (regardless if you think those were a 'set up' etc) even though murder is a State crime. Scalia dies in far less suspicious, and conspicuous, manner, but a death with some odd variables, and no autopsy, local JP pronounces death via telephone, and a local judge and his family say "no" to an autopsy and he is quickly embalmed? And where was his security detail and testimony from them? Surely Justices have Federal agents protecting them, driving them, etc. Who would try to seal the scene until the FBI, or someone, investigates, secures any sensitive documents or government property, and so forth. Bizarre.

[littlechris]

And where was his security detail and testimony from them? Surely Justices have Federal agents protecting them, driving them, etc.

Scalia refused security that evening which makes it all more suspect. Hmmm.

[FearBoysWithBugs]

When Kennedy was murdered it became a Federal case and the body was whisked away from State authorities, an autopsy was done, there were hearings and investigations (regardless if you think those were a 'set up' etc) even though murder is a State crime. Scalia dies in far less suspicious, and conspicuous, manner, but a death with some odd variables, and no autopsy, local JP pronounces death via telephone, and a local judge and his family say "no" to an autopsy and he is quickly embalmed? And where was his security detail and testimony from them? Surely Justices have Federal agents protecting them, driving them, etc. Who would try to seal the scene until the FBI, or someone, investigates, secures any sensitive documents or government property, and so forth. Bizarre.

So you have no fucking idea if he had federal agents escorting him, but you're going to throw it out there anyway.  And when nobody refutes it (or even if they do), that turd will harden into established fact.  You'll broadcast it to your fellow paranoid retards.  Then, others will do the same fuckin thing until you have the proverbial "mountain of evidence."  But like every other idiotic conspiracy theory, it's nothing more than a mountain of bullshit.

Is there ANY comparison to the Kennedy MURDER and Scalia, near 80 and morbidly obese and a smoker, dying in bed?  Fuck no, but why not rub the stench of the Kennedy "conspiracy" onto it to give it some validity?

You conspiracy nuts need to be rounded up and isolated somewhere.  Some large open-air insane asylum with a high mortality rate and no HBO.

[Jackstar]

But like every other idiotic conspiracy theory, it's nothing more than a mountain of bullshit.

That a demonstrated scumbag like yourself is swinging for the fences against the idea, is compelling evidence for it.

People take Rick Santorum more seriously then you. Enjoy your little mountain.

[Yorkshire pud]

That a demonstrated scumbag like yourself is swinging for the fences against the idea, is compelling evidence for it.

People take Rick Santorum more seriously then you. Enjoy your little mountain.

You need more chemtrails Jack...and GIF's...More GIF's..

[Value Of Pi]

Let's all pitch in and buy him an extra crispy bag of dicks to snack on.

'Those of us who fly gliders'. Or 'eunuchs' as they are otherwise known.

How many times a day do I have to change my underwear? I'm so glad this thread got "back on track." BTW, I take it that Sredni's line was actually a tribute to Robin Williams, who coined the phrase "women in comfortable shoes."

[Yorkshire pud]

How many times a day do I have to change my underwear? I'm so glad this thread got "back on track." BTW, I take it that Sredni's line was actually a tribute to Robin Williams, who coined the phrase "women in comfortable shoes."

Don't encourage the southern pansy. It only makes him lay back and flick his bean as he imagines his next alleged witty remark. He keeps his sex life in the fridge. I can't say any more.

[Value Of Pi]

Don't encourage the southern pansy. It only makes him lay back and flick his bean as he imagines his next alleged witty remark. He keeps his sex life in the fridge. I can't say any more.

Fair enough. Don't let anything I say go to your head, Sredni, or wherever it is that your "alleged wittiness" resides. Humility comes next to wittiness and you don't want to lose your edge. Your empire can easily be invaded from the north, even the Midlands, and I've seen what they do to prisoners.

[136 or 142]

When Kennedy was murdered it became a Federal case and the body was whisked away from State authorities, an autopsy was done, there were hearings and investigations (regardless if you think those were a 'set up' etc) even though murder is a State crime. Scalia dies in far less suspicious, and conspicuous, manner, but a death with some odd variables, and no autopsy, local JP pronounces death via telephone, and a local judge and his family say "no" to an autopsy and he is quickly embalmed? And where was his security detail and testimony from them? Surely Justices have Federal agents protecting them, driving them, etc. Who would try to seal the scene until the FBI, or someone, investigates, secures any sensitive documents or government property, and so forth. Bizarre.

Why can't we all agree that Scalia almost certainly clearly died of natural causes, that the conspiracy theories are not only silly but based on false claims AND that, as a major public official, his body should be autopsied.

As to the cost thing, I also have an accounting diploma from years ago and worked for awhile as a bookkeeper/junior auditor.  When I was studying accounting the usual approach to 'full costing' was to take the actual outlays and allocate the overhead based on some simple mathematical formula.   I understand that the overhead allocation process is a lot more specific now thanks to computers and spreadsheets but the philosophy is the same.

A great deal of the 'cost' of the autopsy is actually the allocation of the overhead:  the coroner will be paid the same amount of money whether they do a specific autopsy or not, the cost of the autopsy room will also be the same.

Off the top of my head, the only actual outlays would be the single-use medical materials that have to be thrown out and the cost to sterilize the equipment that gets reused (so that there is no risk of contaminating the next autopsy.)   Could that actually be more than a few hundred dollars?

The cost of this autopsy would be negligible, not even a rounding error on a budget, and even if this autopsy somehow set a precedent, I wouldn't imagine it would lead to more than ten more autopsies a year being performed that wouldn't have been otherwise. So, the cost would still be relatively negligible.  To put it in simple terms, I don't think  it would take any more than what Albrecht pays in taxes every year to adopt the idea that all major public officials should automatically receive an autopsy.

I also think this definitional game of 'who is a major public official' is pretty much a red herring.  There may not be a set definition, but I think it's like what the Supreme Court Justice said about pornography "I know it when I see it."

In Scalia's case, I don't know how they can determine his actual cause of death without performing an autopsy (I'd be stunned if it wasn't from 'natural causes' and my guess would be if it wasn't, the only other logical reason given that he was in a rural area, is that maybe he died as a result of some kind of insect bite.)

So, if you don't like the idea that there should be an autopsy on every major public official, I think we can all agree that the exact cause of death should be determined for all major public officials.

[mortalwombat]

"USSC Justice Scalia Dead at 79"
as humanity breathes a sigh of relief, as fascists scramble to pick up the pieces

[Yorkshire pud]

"USSC Justice Scalia Dead at 79"
as humanity breathes a sigh of relief, as fascists scramble to pick up the pieces

Bloody poetry. 

[FearBoysWithBugs]

People take Rick Santorum more seriously then you.

Yes, sweetie, I know that you think nobody takes me seriously.  Which is why you have to keep repeating it, endlessly, to remind me that I should care.  Just like you have to keep reminding people that you've put them on ignore, so they will know and remember it.

Please, spend your life chasing boogeymen.  It keeps you relatively harmless and out of trouble, and that's a fortuitous benefit to society. 

[FearBoysWithBugs]

He keeps his sex life in the fridge.

That hitchhiker he has wrapped in baggies in the freezer?

[onan]

Why can't we all agree that Scalia almost certainly clearly died of natural causes, that the conspiracy theories are not only silly but based on false claims AND that, as a major public official, his body should be autopsied.

As to the cost thing, I also have an accounting diploma from years ago and worked for awhile as a bookkeeper/junior auditor.  When I was studying accounting the usual approach to 'full costing' was to take the actual outlays and allocate the overhead based on some simple mathematical formula.   I understand that the overhead allocation process is a lot more specific now thanks to computers and spreadsheets but the philosophy is the same.

A great deal of the 'cost' of the autopsy is actually the allocation of the overhead:  the coroner will be paid the same amount of money whether they do a specific autopsy or not, the cost of the autopsy room will also be the same.

Off the top of my head, the only actual outlays would be the single-use medical materials that have to be thrown out and the cost to sterilize the equipment that gets reused (so that there is no risk of contaminating the next autopsy.)   Could that actually be more than a few hundred dollars?

The cost of this autopsy would be negligible, not even a rounding error on a budget, and even if this autopsy somehow set a precedent, I wouldn't imagine it would lead to more than ten more autopsies a year being performed that wouldn't have been otherwise. So, the cost would still be relatively negligible.  To put it in simple terms, I don't think  it would take any more than what Albrecht pays in taxes every year to adopt the idea that all major public officials should automatically receive an autopsy.

I also think this definitional game of 'who is a major public official' is pretty much a red herring.  There may not be a set definition, but I think it's like what the Supreme Court Justice said about pornography "I know it when I see it."

In Scalia's case, I don't know how they can determine his actual cause of death without performing an autopsy (I'd be stunned if it wasn't from 'natural causes' and my guess would be if it wasn't, the only other logical reason given that he was in a rural area, is that maybe he died as a result of some kind of insect bite.)

So, if you don't like the idea that there should be an autopsy on every major public official, I think we can all agree that the exact cause of death should be determined for all major public officials.

None of us know, and we shouldn't. I am pretty sure the doc that pronounced had much more to go on than just the phone call. To do or not do an autopsy isn't decided on the cost variabilities from a spread sheet.

The exact cause of death... Good luck with that.

[FearBoysWithBugs]

None of us know, and we shouldn't. I am pretty sure the doc that pronounced had much more to go on than just the phone call.

It usually takes 3 to 5 minutes to kill someone by suffocating them with a pillow.  Unless they are otherwise incapacitated, they usually object to the process, which leaves signs (none of which were found at the scene).  In the absence of any other evidence  the very first thing to check is if the eyes are bloodshot.  That's almost always an artifact of asphyxiation.  The attending would simply check this and report the results to the doc.

It's utterly retarded to base a belief that Scalia was murdered on ONE offhand sentence spoken by a bystander.  THAT'S ALL.  The morons who are keeping this matter alive for that reason alone need to be fucked with a shovel.  No one that matters -- his family, his friends, his colleagues -- NO ONE is voicing any suspicion about the cause of his death.  To say that an autopsy must be conducted simply to satisfy a bunch of paranoid conspiracy monkeys on the Internet is obscene.  It's disgraceful.

[ItsOver]

Why can't we all agree..

You do know you're on BellGab, don't you?

[FearBoysWithBugs]

You do know you're on BellGab, don't you?

He's still in college.  He's idealistic.

[ItsOver]

He's still in college.  He's idealistic.

My faux pas.  Carry on.  Just be careful when crossing the street.

[Keyser Söze]

Why can't we all agree that Scalia almost certainly clearly died of natural causes, that the conspiracy theories are not only silly but based on false claims AND that, as a major public official, his body should be autopsied.

[136 or 142]

He's still in college.  He's idealistic.

I wish, as a retard I couldn't even pass Kindergarten.

[136 or 142]

In one case I was being too specific, and in the other case, not specific enough.

I should have said merely 'cause of death' or 'approximate cause of death' and not 'exact cause of death.'  I understand that in some cases there can be two or three interrelated medical conditions that can cause a death and I don't think knowing the precise one is important.

I should also have said 'current major public officials' and not just major public officials.

In terms of making an attempt to define major public official at the national level (I don't believe a federal law could force autopsies on deceased governors who died in office, for instance), I would include

1.The President and Vice President
2.All the members of the cabinet and the and the eight senior sub-cabinet officers (http://www.politics1.com/cabinet.htm) (28 in total)
3.All the members of Congress
4.All the members of the Supreme Court

Since I said that I meant that only current holders of these positions who died in those positions should be required to have a cause of death determined this would probably be no more than two or three people a year as very few major public officials die in office.

Personally I'd like to see all holders of those offices have a cause of death determined just for the historical record, but that is just due to my academic bent and I acknowledge that would cost a good deal more and it would also raise privacy concerns.