Turkey shoots down a Russian Su-24

[VtaGeezer]

The Turks feel safe in NATOs arms.  They can poke the bear and don't have to worry about getting mauled.

I'd like to hear more from the Euros about that.  Mutual defense isn't automatic and if I were a Brit, French or German, I'd be asking where Erdogan was when ISIS used Turkey a swinging door for smuggling fighters, weapons, and terrorists for years but having a hair-trigger for a Rus plane nipping an insignificant corner of their airspace on a non-threat heading. I doubt that greater NATO has any interest being a shield for Erdogan's chest thumping Islamo-tribalism. 

[Centurion40]

I'd like to hear more from the Euros about that.  Mutual defense isn't automatic and if I were a Brit, French or German, I'd be asking where Erdogan was when ISIS used Turkey a swinging door for smuggling fighters, weapons, and terrorists for years but having a hair-trigger for a Rus plane nipping an insignificant corner of their airspace on a non-threat heading. I doubt that greater NATO has any interest being a shield for Erdogan's chest thumping Islamo-tribalism.

Yep.  I'd especially like to hear what the ex-Warsaw Pact and now NATO partner countries (like Bulgaria, Poland, etc.) think about Turkish shenanigans.

[VtaGeezer]

A more pithy summary would be simply "FUBAR". Perhaps leaving the entire area to the neo-Ottoman Turks might be a 'least of all evils' kind of situation.  Then all the islamo-crazies could turn on them!

Erdogan's AKP are not the "Islam Lite" Ottoman Turks. Like every other Sunni nation, 50 years of "Saudi-ized" Islam preached to the Turkey's Sunni is driving the rise of Islamism after secularization for 70 years. 

[Uncle Duke]

Yep.  I'd especially like to hear what the ex-Warsaw Pact and now NATO partner countries (like Bulgaria, Poland, etc.) think about Turkish shenanigans.

I had the opportunity a few years back to talk with a retired senior USAF officer who was one of the first to work with the Poles as they entered NATO in the late 90s.   He was told some amazing stories by his Polish colleagues about the Soviets and how the Warsaw Pact did business.  The message I got was the Soviets didn't trust any of their Warsaw Pact allies, except for maybe the East Germans, and even that relationship was tenuous based on longstanding WWII hatreds.  Sounded like the Soviets intended to keep their Warsaw Pact allies between themselves and NATO forces if the shit hit the fan, apparently were not going to let them get behind Soviet forces.

[albrecht]

I had the opportunity a few years back to talk with a retired senior USAF officer who was one of the first to work with the Poles as they entered NATO in the late 90s.   He was told some amazing stories by his Polish colleagues about the Soviets and how the Warsaw Pact did business.  The message I got was the Soviets didn't trust any of their Warsaw Pact allies, except for maybe the East Germans, and even that relationship was tenuous based on longstanding WWII hatreds.  Sounded like the Soviets intended to keep their Warsaw Pact allies between themselves and NATO forces if the shit hit the fan, apparently were not going to let them get behind Soviet forces.

Wasn't/Isn't that the policy of most European countries, Russia, and towards the south near "Islam" for centuries? Why Poland, the Baltic states, (except for a bit of time when Poland/Lithuania were strong,) the Balkans also get the worst of everything?

[Uncle Duke]

Wasn't/Isn't that the policy of most European countries, Russia, and towards the south near "Islam" for centuries? Why Poland, the Baltic states, (except for a bit of time when Poland/Lithuania were strong,) the Balkans also get the worst of everything?

Can't answer that, but I can pass on one of the more amusing stories related to the USAF officer by the Poles.  Apparently the Soviets had liaison or exchange officers at most major Warsaw Pact air bases.  At one particular Polish air base, a very high ranking Soviet Air Force general officer was coming through on a goodwill/inspection tour.  The Soviet field grade officer stationed there was worried about making a good impression, and he was insistent the Poles spruce up the air base accordingly.  He actually had the Poles spray a poorly maintained, drab parade ground with some green water-based paint or dye.  The poor guy was sweating bullets hoping the Soviet general came and went before it rained.

[albrecht]

Can't answer that, but I can pass on one of the more amusing stories related to the USAF officer by the Poles.  Apparently the Soviets had liaison or exchange officers at most major Warsaw Pact air bases.  At one particular Polish air base, a very high ranking Soviet Air Force general officer was coming through on a goodwill/inspection tour.  The Soviet field grade officer stationed there was worried about making a good impression, and he was insistent the Poles spruce up the air base accordingly.  He actually had the Poles spray a poorly maintained, drab parade ground with some green water-based paint or dye.  The poor guy was sweating bullets hoping the Soviet general came and went before it rained.

Ha. Glad to see the Potemkin Village concept was still alive in communist days. Russians don't change.

Poland, and the other areas mentioned, have always been the buffer between larger foes. Much to their loss. Except a few hundred years when Poland/Lithuania was strong.

[FightTheFuture]

"The Russians are mongols. They are Slavs and a lot of them used to be
ruled by ancient Byzantium. From Genghis Kahn to Stalin. they have
not changed. They never will and we will never learn, at least , not until
it is too late."


-- George S. Patton

[FightTheFuture]

Because South Carolina governors are such pious, principaled examples of whatever the fuck passes for Christian these days

Well, let`s hope mommy has you back on your Ritalin now.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

The good thing about the Russians is, they're not a bunch of feminized faggots like too many in US and Europe.
They might just become the last bastion of the white race, when the islamisation and mass-import of 3rd worlders continues into Western Nations.
I'm still hoping we can remove the Liberals who destroy our Nations before it's too late. By firing squad would be best.

How would the death squads choose between "feminized liberal faggots" and normal god fearing white people when judgement day comes?

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

The good thing about the Russians is, they're not a bunch of feminized faggots like too many in US and Europe.
They might just become the last bastion of the white race, when the islamisation and mass-import of 3rd worlders continues into Western Nations.
I'm still hoping we can remove the Liberals who destroy our Nations before it's too late. By firing squad would be best.

Why are you hanging around here talking about it and not on your way to Russia to start organizing that firing squad?  Talk is cheap, so put your money where your mouth is or put a sock in it.

[Mind Flayer Monk]

The Russian spymaster Rachkovsky was the person who commissioned the writing of the Protocols of Zion.
"These faction fights provide the backdrop to the infamous The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Many authors maintain that it was Rachkovsky's agent in Paris, Matvei Golovinski, who in the early 1900s authored the first edition.[3] The text presented the impending Russian Revolution of 1905 as a part of a powerful global Jewish conspiracy and fomented anti-Semitism to deflect public attention from Russia's growing social problems. Another Rachkovsky agent, Yuliana Glinka, is often cited as the person who brought the forgery from France to Russia."
from Wikipedia on Pyotr Rachkovsky

[Yorkshire pud]

Why are you hanging around here talking about it and not on your way to Russia to start organizing that firing squad?  Talk is cheap, so put your money where your mouth is or put a sock in it.

Me!! I can answer that. It's because he's a pathetic, sad, probably virginal, probably unloved, unwanted, self loathng, unread, lonely little individual who sniffs Hitler's Mein Kamp each morning before having a wank over Adolf's photo.

But he has his unsavoury points too. 

He isn't prepared to actually stand up for his 'principles' and would shit himself if he was faced with any of all the people he blames the planet's ills on.

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

funny Jew analyzes Turkey - Putin problem

If he's Jewish, why is he wearing a cross, genius?

[Yorkshire pud]

If he's Jewish, why is he wearing a cross, genius?

You asked him the hard question didn't you? I'd better not ask him if he knows the Site's owner is married to a Moroccan Muslim woman then...Oops.

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

You asked him the hard question didn't you?

That's the kind of careless mistake human mongrels make.  I'm beginning to have serious doubts about his racial purity.

[VtaGeezer]

OTOH, linking anti-Erdogan commentary to anti-semitic crank websites could be a slick method for undercutting the credibility of that position. 

[FightTheFuture]

.
I'm still hoping we can remove the Liberals who destroy our Nations before it's too late. By firing squad would be best.

Call me old fashioned, but I really thought you`d go with the ol` lazer-cutting-device-on-the-gold-table-method.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx9z99YJ_7s

[VtaGeezer]

Call me old fashioned, but I really thought you`d go with the ol` lazer-cutting-device-on-the-gold-table-method.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx9z99YJ_7s

Careful, FOF; on Goldie's scale even you'd be a leftie.

[Yorkshire pud]

Careful, FOF; on Goldie's scale even you'd be a leftie.

Hmmm, be sort of interesting to know if Goldie thinks Hitler was a leftie or a rightie....

[norland2424]

The good thing about the Russians is, they're not a bunch of feminized faggots like too many in US and Europe.
They might just become the last bastion of the white race, when the islamisation and mass-import of 3rd worlders continues into Western Nations.
I'm still hoping we can remove the Liberals who destroy our Nations before it's too late. By firing squad would be best.

For a fucking Austrian you do have a hard on for Russians, i wonder what your ancestors would think of you after what the Russians did to them during both world wars
https://youtu.be/b1d7Llx4rm8

[SciFiAuthor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B9KwzrqbSc
funny Jew analyzes Turkey - Putin problem

That's a priest of the Russian Orthodox Church . . .

[albrecht]

That's a priest of the Russian Orthodox Church . . .

That is the infamous "Brother" Nathanael. He was born and raised a Jew but now is very anti-Jew and is some monk in the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Of Russia, at least according to him. He runs various websites, posts to youtube, and travels around the country with signs about Jews etc.

[SciFiAuthor]

That is the infamous "Brother" Nathanael. He was born and raised a Jew but now is very anti-Jew and is some monk in the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Of Russia, at least according to him. He runs various websites, posts to youtube, and travels around the country with signs about Jews etc.

Sounds like a whackjob to me.

[albrecht]

Sounds like a whackjob to me.

I haven't watched his stuff but pretty much: yep! That look alone is quite bizarre. I'm wondering if he isn't just a Sascha Baron Cohen type of thing and he actually is trying to make joke/satire about Christians (or something?)

[Robert]

If he's Jewish, why is he wearing a cross, genius?

That's how he's a funny Jew.

[Yorkshire pud]

I think left and right are stupid terms. Hitler was obviously a Socialist. Better than left - right terms would probably be to name the 3 (or 4) main ideologies, which according to Dugin are:
* Liberalism
* Communism
* National Socialism

Dugin is working on establishing a 4th political theory, which is neither of the 3. But don't ask me what it is.
I just know that he hates Liberalism and considers it a Death Cult.

Because Dugin is the font of all knowledge of course. Did the rest of your family live?

[norland2424]

apparently I was mistaken to think that you deserve a reply. I will go back to regarding you as a bratty girl and ignore your tantrums and attention whoring.

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

apparently Jews are both, an ethnic group/tribe/race and followers of Judaism.
since he has 2 Jewish parents he's a Jew by birth (and DNA) and an orthodox Christian by faith.
Jews say they're a race themselves. So imagine if Mike Tyson would convert to Judaism, do you think they'd accept him in Israel as a "JEW"?
Probably not, since Israel has a massive Negro-Deportation plan going on. Maybe they'd make an exception for a super-rich or famous Negro for publicity reasons, but certainly not for an average black guy.

That's without a doubt one way to look at it. 

[norland2424]