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Proof the three convicts who escaped from Alcatraz in 1962 may have survived

Started by GuerrillaUnReal, October 12, 2015, 12:30:47 AM

This is probably total bullshit from an absolute geyser of bullshit in the History Channel. But a new special is coming out where family members of John and Clarence Anglin claim they made it and have proof. I find Alcatraz and the famous escape completely fascinating and have read a lot about it and watched all the documentaries and movies. However The History Channel is a pile of poop that designs it's programming to attract retards now. So who knows but that was the first headline on Facebook in months that has gotten my attention.



http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/crime/alcatraz-inmates-fbi-says-died-during-their-escape-actually-survived-family-claims

QuoteThree Alcatraz inmates who escaped from the island prison in San Francisco more than 50 years ago were thought to have drowned â€" until now.

The families of the inmates claim they have proof that brothers John and Clarence Anglin and fellow inmate Frank Morris made it to shore in a makeshift raft in June 1962, reports The Daily Mail. And they may still be alive today in their 80s living in South America.

The evidence is said to be in the form of signed Christmas cards sent to the brothers’ mother and a photograph they claim was taken in the 1970s of the men.

The as-yet-unseen image will be shown in a new History Channel documentary premiering on Oct. 12 called "Alcatraz: Search For The Truth."

QuoteAlcatraz officials claim the men drowned.

Anglins’ nephews David, 48, and Ken Widner, 54, are the ones who hold the evidence that may prove the inmates made it to shore safely.

“This is absolutely the best actionable lead we’ve had,” Art Roderick, the retired U.S. Marshal who investigated the case for 20 years, told The New York Post.

After years of being spied on and harassed by the FBI, the Anglin family finally decided they wanted to see the case solved before the brothers’ sister, Marie Anglin Widner, passed away.

They also want to prove to Alcatraz officials that the prison was in fact escapable.

“[Alcatraz officials] were not willing to ... say, ‘Maybe [the escapees] did make it,’” David said. “That gave me the motive to prove them wrong.”

If the men are found to have survived, it will destroy the bragging rights Alcatraz has for its no escapees.



Caruthers612

Quote from: VoteQuimby on October 12, 2015, 12:30:47 AM
This is probably total bullshit from an absolute geyser of bullshit in the History Channel. But a new special is coming out where family members of John and Clarence Anglin claim they made it and have proof. I find Alcatraz and the famous escape completely fascinating and have read a lot about it and watched all the documentaries and movies. However The History Channel is a pile of poop that designs it's programming to attract retards now. So who knows but that was the first headline on Facebook in months that has gotten my attention.

        By any chance are these family members coming out with a new book?  ;) And your line about the History Channel designing its programming to attract retards fills me with glee.  ;D And they ain't the only ones, neither. Many channels supposedly devoted to science or history or factual programming have steadily dumbed down their content over the years 'cause they've found the majority of their viewers sit on a flea-bitten old easy chair in a stained wife-beater, can of Bud in one hand, empties all around, half bald cat chasing rodents around the trailer, till its time for Wheel of Fortune.

b_dubb

I agree that the History Channel is a geyser of bullshit. Nicely out.

AppealPlay

Quote from: b_dubb on October 12, 2015, 04:35:05 PM
I agree that the History Channel is a geyser of bullshit. Nicely out.

History Channel ruled until they realized they could make more money shilling for Erich von Daniken and bullshit "reality" shows.

Claudius

I have a funny connection to this story. A relative of mine wrote what was basically a textbook on Alcatraz in which she tried to speak to inmates families, use Freedom of Information Acts and the like to recreate what life was really like there. We had a conversation about this specific escape and she claimed that while it was nearly impossible like 95% against them living, it was possible that they made it. But tests and recreations had been done and there was almost no way that they could have survived. Knowing how terrible the History Channel has become I'm declaring shenanigans. 

coaster

Quote from: MichaelFromVA on October 12, 2015, 04:36:30 PM
History Channel ruled until they realized they could make more money shilling for Erich von Daniken and bullshit "reality" shows.
Pawn shops and aliens. History. Made every day.

Brody

abc7news.com/news/i-team-exclusive-new-leads-in-alcatraz-escapees-manhunt/1349024/



QuoteThe age and condition of the photo and the fact that the men are wearing sunglasses hinder experts' abilities to make a definitive determination.

Dyke says Brizzi was a conman, and an expert working for the U.S. Marshal's Service does not believe the photograph is legitimate. Dyke says measurements of the physical characteristics of the Anglin brothers indicate it is not them in the Brazil photo, but even he acknowledges the difficulty in making a definitive determination and ruling it out as a valid lead completely. He continues to investigate the Brazil photo as a lead in the case, despite his doubts about Brizzi and the picture.

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But Dyke has another lead in the case he's trying to figure out. A deathbed confession has surfaced and the ABC7 I-Team tracked down an eyewitness who could help connect the clues.


According to people who have seen and read the entire document, the deathbed confession was dictated to a nurse by a dying man who wanted to come clean about his role in the escape from Alcatraz.

The dying man told his nurse he and an accomplice helped Frank Morris and the Anglin brothers escape from Alcatraz.

The confession indicates the two men were waiting in a boat on the Bay near Alcatraz the night of the escape and they plucked the three convicts from the water and whisked them away. The confession is very detailed and it says the men painted the boat white just days before they set out to assist in the prison break.

Robert Checchi was an off-duty San Francisco Policeman sitting in his car just before midnight at Marina Green that evening.

He was gazing out at the Bay when he noticed what he calls a "pristine white boat." Checchi says he immediately felt like something was wrong because the boat had no lights on. He didn't see anybody on the boat and he couldn't hear any noise coming from the boat.

But after watching the boat intently for several minutes, Checchi said a light went on. He says somebody on the boat was shining a spotlight or a flashlight into the dark waters of the Bay. He told ABC7's I-Team it just didn't look right.

"I said this is really unusual," Checchi said.

He said, "It started moving out and the port and starboard lights came on. I couldn't tell whether it went north or south, it just disappeared into the dark."

The next day, when Checchi found out there had been an escape from Alcatraz, he went in to work and filed a report about what he had seen. The FBI questioned Checchi for days and days and sometimes the interrogations got somewhat nasty.

Esslinger says another interesting part of the deathbed confession is what happened after the men on the boat supposedly helped the three convicts out of the water and escape to freedom.

The confession suggests the men on the boat took the escapees all the way to a place near Seattle in the boat. And it wasn't long after the escape that the accomplices betrayed the Anglins and Frank Morris.

The dying man told his nurse, according to the confession, he helped murder the convicts and bury their bodies near a highway.

Esslinger has been out to the area on a search for the bodies with a former federal investigator. They did not find the bodies but they have not given up completely on the deathbed confession.

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