Michael Vandeven's Radio Train Wreck

[Lilith]

8:30.

Set your alarms!!!

[mikuthing01]

8:30.

Set your alarms!!!

8:30 in what time zone?

[Lilith]

8:30 in what time zone?

Eastern 

[MV/Liberace!]

UFOShip.com/chat

8:30PM East.
5:30PM West.

[mikuthing01]

UFOShip.com/chat

8:30PM East.
5:30PM West.

9:30 AM Japan 

[GravitySucks]

I finally had to stop listening live. The embedded player kept saying network error and MV kept cutting out. Others in the chat said it was happening to them as well.

[Walks_At_Night]

I finally had to stop listening live. The embedded player kept saying network error and MV kept cutting out. Others in the chat said it was happening to them as well.

Move here: https://beta.tunein.com/radio/UFOShipcom-s237118/

Smooth as silk


Edit: Or not.  It just had a burp

[GravitySucks]

Move here: https://beta.tunein.com/radio/UFOShipcom-s237118/

Smooth as silk


Edit: Or not.  It just had a burp

Danke

[GravitySucks]

Move here: https://beta.tunein.com/radio/UFOShipcom-s237118/

Smooth as silk


Edit: Or not.  It just had a burp

I had troubles there too trying the tunein app now

[GravitySucks]

I had troubles there too trying the tunein app now

Keeps cutting out as well

[ShayP]

Keeps cutting out as well

Yep. 

[Lilith]

Thanks MV!  Thanks Everyone!

[MV/Liberace!]

i don't know how bad the buffering was during the live show, but i'll have the recorded version posted soon for anyone who wants it.

[ShayP]

i don't know how bad the buffering was during the live show, but i'll have the recorded version posted soon for anyone who wants it.

It was...Meh.  Nonetheless thank you for doing it. I enjoyed it.  Cheers man!

[MV/Liberace!]

It was...Meh.

the show content, or the buffering, or both?

[ShayP]

the show content, or the buffering, or both?

The stream would speed up for segments, and the buffering breaking up often. The speeding up was more annoying than the buffering issue.

[MV/Liberace!]

The stream would speed up for segments, and the buffering breaking up often. The speeding up was more annoying than the buffering issue.

jeez.  glad i didn't know this was happening.  it would have totally psyched me out.

[ShayP]

the show content, or the buffering, or both?

The show was good man!  LOL!  I rarely catch ya live so it was just weird not hearing everything all polished and stuff. 

[Richard Groyper]

praise benis!

[ShayP]

jeez.  glad i didn't know this was happening.  it would have totally psyched me out.

It didn't take a way from the show overall.  Seemed to happen more later on toward the end.  At least from my perspective.  I think GS had issues early on before I got in the chat.

[GravitySucks]

It didn't take a way from the show overall.  Seemed to happen more later on toward the end.  At least from my perspective.  I think GS had issues early on before I got in the chat.

Yep. This is the first time I have had issues with a live stream from ufoship.

Evelyn knows more about bulldogs than she does about world events and politics. She sounds like those protesters that can't answer a reporter's questions about what it is they are actually protesting. I enjoy the show but Evelyn would be much more convincing if she actually read the news and not just the headlines on her friend's facebook feeds. Not trying to discourage her from doing the show, trying to encourage her to actually read up about topics she wants to discuss.

[pate]

jeez.  glad i didn't know this was happening.  it would have totally psyched me out.

When the wreck was headed for some unknown, was it then?

[MV/Liberace!]

Tonight's episode is posted at MichaelVandeven.com.

[Dr. MD MD]

Yep. This is the first time I have had issues with a live stream from ufoship.

Evelyn knows more about bulldogs than she does about world events and politics. She sounds like those protesters that can't answer a reporter's questions about what it is they are actually protesting. I enjoy the show but Evelyn would be much more convincing if she actually read the news and not just the headlines on her friend's facebook feeds. Not trying to discourage her from doing the show, trying to encourage her to actually read up about topics she wants to discuss.

It's pretty obvious she's just getting her talking points from the nightly news. If pushed to rationally justify them she can only talk about her feelings and the argument ends there.  :

[Hog]

In reference to the May 1st, 2017 Michael Vandevens Radio Trainwreck, specifically the part about GM truck exploding outboard mounted-side saddle fuel tanks.

My Father was a Class "B" Collision Technician.  He built a garage 40 feet from his house and he specialized in working with 1/2-3/4 and 1 ton trucks, preferably Chevrolet and GMC trucks as that's what we always drove. He would buy a wrecked vehicle for dirt cheap and we would fix them and drive them. He would literally heat the frames and using hydraulics, stretch and mold the frame back into shape, replacing frame sections which were not repairable. He could, and has tank 2 separate trucks, and join them together, with the layman being non the wiser.  He did this type of work for all of the Big Three  dealerships in the area.(GM, Chrysler, Ford-at the time).  I remember him straightening a schoolbus using his hydraulics attached in between 2 MASSIVE trees at the neighbours farm, as the schoolbus was too high for his shop. Growing up in his shop, I was exposed to various "experts" in the automotive field, and heard of the "GM Side-Saddle Gas Tanks" controversy many many times.

Here is one bay of Dads shop, it show the frame/alignment rack, onto which you would drive/drag a vehicle onto.


Then using chains secure the rear of the vehicle to the 2 pads that are bolted to the cement floor(at bottom of pic at left and right sides, you can see that you must drive over these anchors to get on the rack.) Then the front of the vehicle is attached with chains to the large red hydraulic ram, located at the middle/left of the picture. Its attached to a large steel structure which also supports the overhead hoist.  Used together, the hydraulic ram provides the pull force to stretch the frame of a truck, or unibody on some cars, while the rear anchors hold the vehicle stationary.  Then in order to pull the structural parts of the vehicle out to the sides, you can see the 4 large vertical "posts" 2 on each side of the rack. Those posts are maneuverable to any point along the side of the vehicle, there are brackets which hold shorter, but much wider hydraulic rams, which provide pulling power outwards, while on the side opposite to which you are applying the force, you position one of the large vertical posts, and attach a chain, which will hold the vehicle stationary and directly opposes the sideways force you are applying to the vehicles structure.  So if your vehicle is involved in a rearend or frontend hit, most of the pulling will be from the front and rear of the vehicle, in a side impact, more sideways pulling will be needed.  Basically he would apply hydraulic forces in the opposite direct to which was applied to the vehicle in an accident.  If the collision is hard enough, a front end hit will require sideways pulling because the vehicle begins to deform in direction which differ from the actual initial collision force. For instance, if you drive head on into a large tree, with the impact zone occurring directly square between the headlights. If you are going fast enough, not only will the vehicles front crumple zone cause the vehicles length to be shorter as the front section compresses, the width of the vehicle can also increase or decrease.  Sometimes, esp. with a Unibody car, or a car which has no separate frame, the structural strength comes from many components which are spot welded together.  The many different components which would sit upon a steel frame, in a Unibody built vehicle are used themselves to support the vehicles mass and transmit or deflect forces during normal use and during an accident.

The trucks in the "Exploding Gas Tanks" saga was the Chevrolet C10 and GMC C10 trucks that were General Motors 3rd iteration of the lightduty pickup truck.  The 3rd Generation trucks built from 1973-1987 were known as the "Square Body" style of pickup trucks.

The supposed issue with these trucks is that the fuel tanks are installed in between the external sheetmetal body of the truck and the frame rails, nor outboard of the frame rails, of the truck.  As seen in the video, any sort of side impact collision actually "pinches" the fuel tank between the body and the frame rails of the truck. These fuel tanks were called, side saddle fueltanks because they sat outboard of the framerails, and if the truck was equipped with dual fuel tanks-for extended range, there would be an outboard side saddle tank on both the drivers side and passenger side.  The amount of trucks built with dual tanks was small compared to the entire truck build numbers, so this entire side saddle controversy is usually limited to one side of the truck only, as most trucks were a single tank.  Whichever side the fuel filler door/cap is located, is the side the side where the side saddle fuel tank is located. A dual tank truck, would have a fuel fill door and cap on both the drivers side and passenger side. So for that "NEWS" story about the exploding fuel tanks, not only did they select a truck with dual tanks(therefore a fuel filler door and fuel cap), use a non-stock fuel cap, filled the fuel tank to 100% capacity(something that takes time and is very difficult to accomplish) and used an incendiary device, they also lied about the "headlights" igniting the fuel, and that upon inspection, a "hole" was found in the tank. 

Having personally worked on these "side-saddle fuel tanks" in addition to newer fuel tanks found "inboard" of the frame rails, the side saddle tanks are constructed of a markedly thicker gauge of metal that the inboard tanks.  Whether this is due to a converted safety intervention during the design of these outboard side saddle tanks being located in a more exposed position during a collision, or whether the newer tanks are merely thinner due to modern cost cutting initiatives is pure conjecture on my part. Regardless, the older side saddle tanks are structurally more rugged. 
I am 250 pounds of pure Canadian love machine, and I would NOT hesitate on sitting or standing on one of those older side saddle tanks.  Doing so on the newer design tanks would result in severe damage.

In 1987, which was the last year that the 1/2 ton 3rd Generation "squarebody" pickup was produced, TBI (Throttle Body Injection) was introduced.  TBI is a very basic type of fuel injection, a fuel pump inside the fuel tank supplies the throttle body, located on top on the engine, with low pressure fuel (approx. 13 psi).  2 fuel injectors directly above the intake manifold, in exactly the same position as the previous model years had mounted the carburetor.  It should be noted that although the Squarebody for 1/2 ton models ceased in Model Year 1987, the Squarebodies were built in smaller numbers in the 3/4 ton and 1 ton variants for a few more model years into My 1991.

In 1988, GM's Chevrolet and GMC Truck subsidiaries, came out with the brand new 4 Generation of GM Light Duty pickup truck.  These trucks known internally by General Motors as the GMT-400 truck or the C/K series of trucks. C-denotes a 2wd truck, while K-denotes a 4wd truck. The C or K will precede either of these 3 numbers-1500 for 1/2 ton, 2500 for 3/4 ton and 3500 for 1 ton. So when used together, a K1500 is a 4wd-1/2 ton truck, a C-3500 is a 2wd 1 ton truck, a K2500 is a 4wd 3/4 ton truck, ad nauseum.

One major feature of the new GMT 400 1988-1999 1/2 ton trucks(the same C/K design was used into MY2001 in the 3/4 ton and 1 ton truck models) is that the fuel tanks are now located in board of the frame rails.  In these new trucks, a side impact would crumple the sheetmetal body against the frame with little to no impact acting upon the fuel tanks themselves.
Remember that TBI I was talking about, well it carried on from the last year of the 3rd Gen trucks into the 4th Generation 88-99 GMT 400 trucks for model years 1988 through 1995.  In 1996 along with the addition of Federally mandated On Board Diagnostics-2(OBD-2) which major feature entails monitoring the crankshaft for misfiring, as a misfiring engine can send raw fuel into the exhaust, this fuel can destroy the catalytic converters in short order.    The fuel injection in the 1996-1999 GMT 400 trucks with OBD2 was known as CSFI for Centralport Sequential Fuel Injection, which used 8 injectors for a V8 engine or 6 for a six cylinder engine.  The injection of the fuel was timed for when each intake valve was actually open, thus reducing emissions and aiding fuel economy. This CSFI type of fuel injection used a much higher fuel pressure, around 66 psi, so the fuel pumps located inside the newer style inboard tanks, move a lot more fuel that the older TBI used with both sidesaddle(1987) and the newer inboard tanks(1988-1995). In case of major collision, in which these fuel supply and return lines are ruptured, there is an oil pressure switch that senses engine oil pressure, if engine oil pressure registers zero or near zero, as would happen when the engines fuel supply was interrupted by cut fuel lines, this switch shuts down the electric fuel pumps. If this feature was absent, the accident scene would continue to be covered by gasoline until the fuel tanks were emptied by the fuel pumps, an obvious safety concern.

In 1999, GM came out with the 5th Generation of 1/2 ton pickups, internally referred to as the GMT-800 or Silverado(Chev) and Sierra(GMC) lineup of light duty truck.  They were built for Model Years 1999-2007 to be taken over by the GMT-900 trucks for MY2007-2013(6th Generation), the GM K2xx trucks were in production from MY2014 through now, which are the 6th Generation of GM trucks. 
There was a real fiasco when GM introduced the new GMT-800 truck for MY 1999, it involved the new 3 piece, hydroformed truck frames.  While the issue didn't really affect safety of the customers, it sure laced GMs face with eggs. But I'll save that story for another day. I'm sure I'm getting TL;DR darts thrown at my person by now.

One final thought, it should be noted that while some people think that the side saddle outboard mounted fuel tanks was a bad design, its miles ahead of some of the earlier Generation GM pickup trucks.  These models had the fuel tank located immediately behind the seat inside of the driver/passenger compartment. If that tank ruptures, whomever is inside the cab of the truck is going to have a severe hotflash if the gasoline vapours ever ignited.

I am going to include a copy paste of the Wiki page on this topic, I just found it and it has some tidbits that I wasn't aware of. From this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_C/K#Sidesaddle_fuel_tank_controversy
Sidesaddle fuel tank controversy[edit]

The third generation of GM's full-size pickup line had a fuel tank design that drew criticism after the model run ended. The fuel tank was relocated from the cab to the outboard sides of one or both frame rails beneath the cab floor extending under the leading edge of the pickup box, commonly referred to as a sidesaddle arrangement.

According to a later-debunked 1993 report on Dateline NBC, this arrangement made the trucks prone to exploding in a side collision.[59] The faked video was staged by an expert witness for hire against GM, Bruce Enz of The Institute for Safety Analysis. Enz used incendiary devices and a poorly fitted gas cap to create the impression of a dangerous vehicle.[60] It was also found that the Dateline report was dishonest about the fuel tanks rupturing and the alleged 30 mph (48 km/h) speed at which the collision was conducted. The actual speed was found to be higher, around 40 mph (64 km/h), and after x-ray examination of the fuel tanks from the C/K pickups used in the staged collision, it was discovered they had not ruptured and were intact.[61][62]

Fatality figures vary wildly. A study by Failure Analysis Associates (now Exponent, Inc.) found 155 fatalities in these GM trucks between 1973 and 1989 involving both side impact and fire.[63] The Center for Auto Safety, Ralph Nader's lobbying group, claims "over 1,800 fatalities" between 1973 and 2000 involving both side impact and fire.[64] Other commentators noted that regardless of any increased risk of fire, the GM trucks had safety records in side-impact crashes statistically indistinguishable from their Ford and Dodge counterparts.[65]

The sidesaddle fuel tanks themselves, were found to have a robust design highly resistant to crushing or crumpling from a side impact.[65] Trucks equipped with these tanks met and exceeded the requirements of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard № 301.[65] Studies showed that it would take about 4,000 side-impact crashes with such a truck to get one with fire, major injury, or fatality.[65]

In 1993 the bad publicity generated by the Dateline story spawned several class action lawsuits. In addition GM was sued more than 100 times in lawsuits brought by individuals who were burned in GM trucks.[66] Nearly all of those cases were settled out of court. In 1993, a Georgia jury awarded more than $105 million, including $101 million in punitive damages, to the parents of a 17 year old named Shannon Moseley who burned to death.[67] The verdict was later overturned by an appeals court and the case settled before it could be re-tried. GM also settled with the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) in 1994 for the amount of $51 million to be used for safety programs. GM also offered owners $1000 coupons toward the purchase of a new truck with a trade-in of the old one.[citation needed] The fourth-generation C/K-Series pickups of 1988â€"2001, designed and produced well before the lawsuits, had a new single fuel tank located within the frame rails.


And just a pic of a car from a different era in the automotive world. My 1957 Chev Bel Air 2 door Hardtop, 283 PowerPack with a Powerglide, and no seatbelts.



peace
Hog

[mikuthing01]

And just a pic of a car from a different era in the automotive world. My 1957 Chev Bel Air 2 door Hardtop, 283 PowerPack with a Powerglide, and no seatbelts. And a metal dash to smash your face on kek!

I liked the old square body trucks, GM Trucks really went to shit after 1987. I knew a girl that drove a K5 square body blazer but the 68-72 Blazers were the best.

[Hog]

I liked the old square body trucks, GM Trucks really went to shit after 1987. I knew a girl that drove a K5 square body blazer but the 68-72 Blazers were the best.

I liked the square bodies as well, my first vehicle was a 1984 Sierra.  It had the 4.1liter/250cid inline 6 cylinder and a lockup th-350C 4 speed auto trans.  Rubber floor and vinyl bench seat, open the doors and power wash til clean.

peace
Hog

[Jackstar]

I'd like to point out that I no longer get notifications when this show is going on, and so have been completely unable to pay live attention.

Oh, wait, I mean--my soundboard was unplugged, sorry

[Taaroa]

On today's episode of the Radio Trainwreck, we discuss fluffing and euthanising dogs.

[MV/Liberace!]

On today's episode of the Radio Trainwreck, we discuss fluffing and euthanising dogs.

in that order.