The Other Side of Midnight - Richard C. Hoagland - Live Chat Thread

[zeebo]

Good to see you as well!  Choose one...or both. 

Nice, a Hoagtini and an Accupolitan!

[ShayP]

Nice, a Hoagtini and an Accupolitan!

LOL!  Nice!    We should make a Hoagie themed Food & Beverage menu.

[akwilly]

Nice, a Hoagtini and an Accupolitan!

Damn I know I am going to try and order a Hoagatini some late night at the bar.

[ShayP]

I don't think she is translating this properly. 

[Showroom Dummy]

what show are we listening to  now

[Ghost Nutter]

This is the voice of the English school girl teacher...When she's  stoned

[(Sandman) Logan-5]

Hey guys, "3 on a couch" w/ Marian Mosley, Janet Leigh & Jerry Lewis is on right now on TCM

[Showroom Dummy]

ok hoagie got us back with the hyper delusion turtle field data technologies - cool   i was getting worried there   

[(Sandman) Logan-5]

Good to see you as well!  Choose one...or both. 

No limits tonight.

[ShayP]

Hey guys, "3 on a couch" w/ Marian Mosley, Janet Leigh & Jerry Lewis is on right now on TCM

I can only take so much Jerry Lewis.  Not a big fan.  However I used to watch his telethons with my grandma back in the 70's and 80's. 

[zeebo]

Damn I know I am going to try and order a Hoagatini some late night at the bar.

They're pretty dry with that 19.5:1 gin/vermouth ratio.

[21st Century Man]

I was thinking of more recent history. When Wallace lost to Truman over the same backroom deals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CO815qqWsc

    I'm going to give that a look tomorrow.  I heard the Lincoln story today and lets say that it was Lincoln vs. Seward going onto the 2016 elections.  Seward had something like 173 delegates to Lincoln's 22.  Seward wins the nomination in 2016 and Lincoln would await another time or be relegated to the dustbin of history.  On the other hand, Kasich would have a good opportunity to beat Trump at the 1860 convention. 

    In reality, Seward fell short of delegates to win the nomination going into the convention just as Trump will most likely fall short going onto the convention to win the nomination outright. 


It is all fucked up.

[(Sandman) Logan-5]

I can only take so much Jerry Lewis.  Not a big fan.  However I used to watch his telethons with my grandma back in the 70's and 80's. 

I could never stand him as a kid. He's just another form of crazy - not as far out as the Hoagmeister though.      

[Mind Flayer Monk]

Come in Captain Hoagie! Do you read me Captain Hoagie!

[ShayP]

LOL! Hoagie just said "Kosarev the great torsion field physicist" and followed up with "he didn't call himself that..."   

[Dr. MD MD]

It's funny in an ironic sort of way but Einstein saw most of his mentors and colleagues eagerly volunteer their services to the German efforts in WW1 to more effectively kill people. One of them was they guy who developed mustard gas. This disgusted Einstein and he withdrew into his study, working out special relativity. In WW2 that theory (and of course Einstein was contributing himself too by this point) would directly lead to the development of the ultimate weapon 

[21st Century Man]

I could never stand him as a kid. He's just another form of crazy - not as far out as the Hoagmeister though.      

I never liked Jerry Lewis either watching his old movies.  He comes across as a a flaming retard.  I like him better as a serious adult.

[akwilly]

I never liked Jerry Lewis either watching his old movies.  He comes across as a a flaming retard.  I like him better as a serious adult.

I alway felt he was mimicking the kids he was trying to help.

[Dr. MD MD]

I never liked Jerry Lewis either watching his old movies.  He comes across as a a flaming retard.  I like him better as a serious adult.

I always thought Martin Short's imitation of Jerry Lewis was funnier than actual Jerry Lewis 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NESWnzLGcH4

[(Sandman) Logan-5]

"Gnosticism
Gnosticism is a heresy which is made up of a diverse set of beliefs. It is the teaching based on the idea of gnosis (a Koine Greek word meaning "secret knowledge"), or knowledge of transcendence arrived at by way of internal, intuitive means. While Gnosticism thus relies on personal religious experience as its primary authority, early "Christian" Gnostics did adopt their own versions of authoritative Scriptures, such as those found at Nag Hammadi in Egypt.

What we know about Gnosticism comes from Irenaeus who studied twenty of the most influential Gnostic writers and defined and criticized their beliefs. Other early church fathers, such as Tertullian and Origen also provide information regarding Gnostic beliefs. Lastly, many Gnostic writings were discovered at the Nag Hammadi Library. Nag Hammadi is a town in Upper Egypt near ancient Chenoboskion and 13 codices were discovered about 1945.

General beliefs
The following information is taken from Olson, The Story of Christian Theology, p. 37.

Matter or materiality
Gnostics believed that matter, whether it be the physical universe or the humanly body, is evil. It is obvious that there is a great tension between spirit and matter. This effects many of their beliefs and especially the way they perceive(d) the world and God's interactions with it.

God
God is wholly transcendent, that is, he is far removed from his creation. He did not create the material universe because it was instead created by an evil or lesser God, sometimes called a "demiurge". God is thus too perfect and pure to have much to do with the evilness of the material universe.

Humanity
Gnostics believed that human beings were "sparks" or "droplets" of the very same spiritual substance (or essence) that God is. Somehow we we became trapped in our physical bodies from which we are to escape.

The Fall
All Gnostics agreed that The Fall was identical to the fall into matter. In other words, creation and The Fall coincide. "As long as spirits are trapped in physical bodies and materiality, they will be subject to sin, which is caused by ignorance of their true nature and home."

Salvation
Gnosticism commonly held that "salvation is to escape from the bondage of the material existence and travel back to the home from which souls/spirits have fallen." God initiates salvation because he wants to draw back the stray bits and pieces of himself, and so he sends forth an emanation of himself - "a spiritual redeemer" - who comes down from heaven and gives an attempt to teach some of the "divine sparks of Spirit" what their true identity is and where their real home lies. Once they are awakened by this redeemer they can then begin their journey back home. "Salvation is by knowledge - self-knowledge."

Jesus
Lastly, as far as most scholars know, Gnostics considered themselves Christians and saw Jesus as a heavenly messenger. However, they rejected the idea of God becoming incarnate (God becoming a man), dying and rising bodily. "These beliefs were considered unspiritual and against true wisdom because they entangled spirit with matter." Most Gnostics believe that whoever entered Jesus at his baptism left him before he died on the cross."

From:  http://www.theopedia.com/gnosticism

[(Sandman) Logan-5]

I never liked Jerry Lewis either watching his old movies.  He comes across as a a flaming retard.  I like him better as a serious adult.

Gotta agree.

[21st Century Man]

I alway felt he was mimicking the kids he was trying to help.

Now you know why Dean Martin drank a lot.

[Mind Flayer Monk]

Did he cure his diabetes through dreaming of Bear Claws?

[21st Century Man]

Gotta agree.

Of course if there had been no Jerry Lewis, there would have been no Pee Wee Herman.

Damn, now I really wish he never existed.

[(Sandman) Logan-5]

Guest: "Here's the problem - Data"

RCH: "Ooooooo  Kaaaay"

LOL

Sacrelage !
It's in the Data !
  Heh heh heh.

[Dr. MD MD]

You can't verify a dream. There's no way of getting in someone's head and prove what they dreamed of. It's by definition anecdotal.

[Dr. MD MD]

Of course if there had been no Jerry Lewis, there would have been no Pee Wee Herman.

Damn, now I really wish he never existed.

Hey! Pee Wee was awesome! Big Adventure is still one of my all time favorites. 

[akwilly]

Hey! Pee Wee was awesome! Big Adventure is still one of my all time favorites. 

2 things I never understood. Pee Wee and Max Headrum

[Dr. MD MD]

Anyone wanna guess odds on if Hoagie will say, "The good are getting better and the bad are getting worse." before the end of the show? 

[ShayP]

I'm tapping out peeps.  Must. Get. Sleep.

Be well all, and happy St. Patrick's Day.

Cheers!