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The Other Side of Midnight - Richard C. Hoagland - Live Chat Thread

Started by cosmic hobo, June 24, 2015, 08:00:52 PM

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#9540
August 29, 2015, 01:07:04 AM
Sorry Hoagland things will never break  - you've been saying the same thing for 20 years.

ShayP

#9541
August 29, 2015, 01:07:31 AM
Quote from: bstuart on August 29, 2015, 01:01:53 AM
I find the "prime directive" argument such bullshit. This isn't Star Trek. Applying human ethics/morality on beings from somewhere else in the universe is flawed. If ETs are here they are just as guilty as governments, which makes you wonder what their agenda could be to stay shrouded in mystery.

Good point.  Essentially you can't identify with the unknown.  Plus thinking our morality and ethics apply to another ET life form is just as silly as thinking pets think like humans.  I know we love our pets but I get weary of people assuming what their dog or cat thinks.  Or when the guy thought he could communicate and live with grizzly bears only to get eaten.  I may have veered of course but I believe you get the gist.  ;)

Manx

#9542
August 29, 2015, 01:07:51 AM
Quote from: bstuart on August 29, 2015, 01:01:53 AM
I find the "prime directive" argument such bullshit. This isn't Star Trek. Applying human ethics/morality on beings from somewhere else in the universe is flawed. If ETs are here they are just as guilty as governments, which makes you wonder what their agenda could be to stay shrouded in mystery.

yeah, I hardly think corruption is uniquely human

zeebo

#9543
August 29, 2015, 01:08:27 AM
Quote from: bstuart on August 29, 2015, 01:01:53 AM
I find the "prime directive" argument such bullshit.  ...

So did Star Trek ... they pretty much abandoned it after the first season.   ;)

bstuart

#9545
August 29, 2015, 01:11:57 AM
Quote from: ShayP on August 29, 2015, 01:07:31 AM
Good point.  Essentially you can't identify with the unknown.  Plus thinking our morality and ethics apply to another ET life form is just as silly as thinking pets think like humans.  I know we love our pets but I get weary of people assuming what their dog or cat thinks.  Or when the guy thought he could communicate and live with grizzly bears only to get eaten.  I may have veered of course but I believe you get the gist.  ;)

That's precisely it. The idea of a prime directive is our own human projection. It's just as likely that all aliens are harvesting human organs for dinner (another human projection). If ETs are here, the only "ground-truth" is that they are keeping their presence from us on purpose, minus sightings in the sky. My own gut tells me that's a negative, and not a positive thing. Information and knowledge is power, and that's what is being withheld. System of control.  :-X Just my opinion.

pate

#9546
August 29, 2015, 01:11:58 AM
Hold on a tick, I seem to recognize this voice?

Perhaps Ed Cayce?

Hmm, must think on this...

I could be rong.

ShayP

#9549
August 29, 2015, 01:13:41 AM
Quote from: pate on August 29, 2015, 01:11:58 AM
Hold on a tick, I seem to recognize this voice?

Perhaps Ed Cayce?

Hmm, must think on this...

I could be rong.

David Wilcock?  LOL

SciFiAuthor

#9553
August 29, 2015, 01:17:06 AM
Observation: Richard asks really concise questions.

Wisecracker

#9554
August 29, 2015, 01:17:53 AM
I used to argue with my dad about Big Pharm.  he thought that doctors,scientists, bureaucrats, etc, where hiding the cure for cancer.  My argument was that there's no way so many people could keep that secret.  I think the same way about ufos, aliens and all.  As the saying goes, 3 people can keep a secret if 2 of them are dead.

zeebo

#9555
August 29, 2015, 01:21:02 AM
If something's really going on, I've always found it much more likely that no one knows what it is, as opposed to certain high-level gov't/military officials somehow having access to the info but not telling. 

bstuart

#9556
August 29, 2015, 01:21:58 AM
Quote from: Wisecracker on August 29, 2015, 01:17:53 AM
I used to argue with my dad about Big Pharm.  he thought that doctors,scientists, bureaucrats, etc, where hiding the cure for cancer.  My argument was that there's no way so many people could keep that secret.  I think the same way about ufos, aliens and all.  As the saying goes, 3 people can keep a secret if 2 of them are dead.

Not sure I buy that argument. The government keeps trillions of US dollars in black ops programs secret without any issues. Continuity of government.

ShayP

#9558
August 29, 2015, 01:24:56 AM
Quote from: Wisecracker on August 29, 2015, 01:17:53 AM
I used to argue with my dad about Big Pharm.  he thought that doctors,scientists, bureaucrats, etc, where hiding the cure for cancer.  My argument was that there's no way so many people could keep that secret.  I think the same way about ufos, aliens and all.  As the saying goes, 3 people can keep a secret if 2 of them are dead.

If people are on board with an agenda and are rewarded, or threatened, they keep a secret.  Look at the Mafia.  Yeah, people flipped but a lot took secrets to their graves.  Quite frankly...if big pharma had the cure for anything it would ultimately cost them money to provide the cure.   I am cynical I know.  ;)

pate

#9559
August 29, 2015, 01:25:05 AM
Quote from: Wisecracker on August 29, 2015, 01:17:53 AM
...  As the saying goes, 3 people can keep a secret if 2 of them are dead...

A codicil to that argument is "Dead men tell no tales"

Not to get spooky...

SciFiAuthor

#9560
August 29, 2015, 01:25:29 AM
Ugh, why the fuck do you need metal in an advanced technological society Richard? Glass sucks. Domes really fucking suck, why would you build one? Why? Domes are 1950's bullshit sci fi. I hate when Hoagland does that. It's 2015. If you're going to create a narrative around futurism, do a better job at it or abandon the old shit and dedicate yourself to being a radio host.

K_Dubb

#9561
August 29, 2015, 01:26:11 AM
Quote from: zeebo on August 29, 2015, 01:21:02 AM
If something's really going on, I've always found it much more likely that no one knows what it is, as opposed to certain high-level gov't/military officials somehow having access to the info but not telling.

Yes, "I don't know" is just about the hardest thing to admit if you've got the responsibility.

ShayP

#9562
August 29, 2015, 01:26:21 AM
Quote from: SciFiAuthor on August 29, 2015, 01:25:29 AM
Ugh, why the fuck do you need metal in an advanced technological society Richard? Glass sucks. Domes really fucking suck, why would you build one? Why? Domes are 1950's bullshit sci fi. I hate when Hoagland does that. It's 2015. If you're going to create a narrative around futurism, do a better job at it or abandon the old shit and dedicate yourself to being a radio host.

deep breaths brother.  ;D

Wisecracker

#9567
August 29, 2015, 01:28:29 AM
Quote from: bstuart on August 29, 2015, 01:21:58 AM
Not sure I buy that argument. The government keeps trillions of US dollars in black ops programs secret without any issues. Continuity of government.

I respect that, but if the gov could hide trillions of dollars, how would we know they did?  And if we knew they did, it wouldn't be a secret.
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