The Other Side of Midnight - Richard C. Hoagland - Live Chat Thread

[HumanBeing]

All kidding aside.

I know a good portion of you listen because you enjoy the show, when it's working in full.

So, with that said, what are some topics, guests, ideas, or things you'd like to hear on his show?

[GravitySucks]

All kidding aside.

I know a good portion of you listen because you enjoy the show, when it's working in full.

So, with that said, what are some topics, guests, ideas, or things you'd like to hear on his show?

Hard for me to suggest guests... All the ones I would suggest, I would rather hear Art interview.  If is going to be a tough road for RCH to have his show keep its own identity and not be MITD-Lite.  I am sure if he and Art are really close friends, they can brainstorm and come up with a viable split of who should interview who.

I suspect that RCH will try and stick to the science, but Art should get the Michio Kakus... RCH could lend some comedic relief to weird science.
Just my 2 cents

[PB the Deplorable]

... with that said, what are some topics, guests, ideas, or things you'd like to hear on his show?

Gallagher

[jerry]

All kidding aside.

I know a good portion of you listen because you enjoy the show, when it's working in full.

So, with that said, what are some topics, guests, ideas, or things you'd like to hear on his show?

Dr Bob Koontz.  He is a character made for Hoagland.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL88SuyERTw 
(The audio in this is poor)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-JAqIW_Ta0

[astroguy]

All kidding aside.

I know a good portion of you listen because you enjoy the show, when it's working in full.

So, with that said, what are some topics, guests, ideas, or things you'd like to hear on his show?

Expat, myself, Yorkshire Pud, or others actually challenge him.  He got upset with Dolan and now wants to have him on to "have a civilized discussion" about why Dolan thinks Hoagland is wrong.  There are many of us who'd be willing to do that, including myself.

The question then is, would Richard be willing to actually bring on someone who will challenge him because they know the material?  And the follow-up question if "yes" is, would Richard actually stick to the topic at-hand, e.g. discussing just the "face" or "geometry," or a narrow list of topics, or would he Gish Gallop all over the place as soon as someone tries to pin him down on one particular fact?

[littlechris]

Expat, myself, Yorkshire Pud, or others actually challenge him.  He got upset with Dolan and now wants to have him on to "have a civilized discussion" about why Dolan thinks Hoagland is wrong.  There are many of us who'd be willing to do that, including myself.

The question then is, would Richard be willing to actually bring on someone who will challenge him because they know the material?  And the follow-up question if "yes" is, would Richard actually stick to the topic at-hand, e.g. discussing just the "face" or "geometry," or a narrow list of topics, or would he Gish Gallop all over the place as soon as someone tries to pin him down on one particular fact?

Many of us were hoping you'd call the hoaxster when he had open lines the other night.

[astroguy]

Many of us were hoping you'd call the hoaxster when he had open lines the other night.

Some of us require a thing called "sleep."   If I know in advance he'll do "open lines," I might try to stay up to call.  It also helps if you tell me you want me to call in.  I'd love to be telepathic, but ¡alas!, I'm not.

[littlechris]

I just noticed on another thread that we are being called davebots,

Says the person who is constantly accusing others in chat of being a "davebot" and having them kicked out for it.

Ain't Karma a motherfucker!!??

[Inglorious Bitch]

hoagie is entertaining and he was getting testy with everyone it was pretty funny

I always giggle when Art gets testy with the occasional dumbass caller who doesn't know to extinguish his media (Is that how he puts it? Something like that. The internet version of turn down your radio).

[zeebo]

Maybe the davebot is some kind of Manchurian Candidate operative.  What's the magic word that awakens your fiendish plan?  Arcology?  Cronkite?  Reboot?

[lonevoice]

Says the person who is constantly accusing others in chat of being a "davebot" and having them kicked out for it.

Did I call you a troll?  Was that before MV banned you?  I do occasionally use the term "troll"; but I rarely, if ever, use the term "davebot", so you may have gotten trolled.  Could be that karma thing you're talking about.  By the way, I haven't been in chat in ages. 

[Spinner]

All kidding aside.

I know a good portion of you listen because you enjoy the show, when it's working in full.

So, with that said, what are some topics, guests, ideas, or things you'd like to hear on his show?

I'd love to hear an excruciatingly detailed explanation of his Hyperdimentional Torsion Physics Model  : or whatever it's called.  :

[norland2424]

Did I call you a troll?  Was that before MV banned you?  I do occasionally use the term "troll"; but I rarely, if ever, use the term "davebot", so you may have gotten trolled.  Could be that karma thing you're talking about.  By the way, I haven't been in chat in ages.

i read the davebot stuff in that other thread too, makes me feel like we all have to do like the German in the video lol

https://youtu.be/AFPbhZgtdhw

[coaster]

Expat, myself, Yorkshire Pud, or others actually challenge him.  He got upset with Dolan and now wants to have him on to "have a civilized discussion" about why Dolan thinks Hoagland is wrong.  There are many of us who'd be willing to do that, including myself.

The question then is, would Richard be willing to actually bring on someone who will challenge him because they know the material?  And the follow-up question if "yes" is, would Richard actually stick to the topic at-hand, e.g. discussing just the "face" or "geometry," or a narrow list of topics, or would he Gish Gallop all over the place as soon as someone tries to pin him down on one particular fact?

I have said it before. I wish he would have expat on. Expat would tear him a new one. Several new ones actually. Would be fun to hear.

[norland2424]

I always giggle when Art gets testy with the occasional dumbass caller who doesn't know to extinguish his media (Is that how he puts it? Something like that. The internet version of turn down your radio).

haha i dont imagine hoaige having arts patients tho, at least i can almost hear it in arts voice that he wants to rip into people lol

[Royal_Tenenbaum]

lol for everyone who missed it earlier, a short clip when hoagie rebooted his computer 

https://youtu.be/A-Bz4zWYCWE

HAHAHA! Too funny.

[Jackstar]

PLOT TWIST: expat and astroguy have already been every caller.

[astroguy]

PLOT TWIST: expat and astroguy have already been every caller.

Not unless I've sleep-called.

[Royal_Tenenbaum]

PLOT TWIST: expat and astroguy have already been every caller.

Jackstar I WISH we could get Expat to debate Hoagie in an hour long segment. This needs to be the new Bellgab blitz. If Hoagland did an hour long "answer your critics" segment episode at the end of each week it would be great. He has done it on network tv, so why not on the show. Hell, maybe even a set segment at the end of each show where the guests could be challenged without being cutoff (save being rude) would offer a nice peer review-ish portion to each show.

[SciFiAuthor]

Expat, myself, Yorkshire Pud, or others actually challenge him.  He got upset with Dolan and now wants to have him on to "have a civilized discussion" about why Dolan thinks Hoagland is wrong.  There are many of us who'd be willing to do that, including myself.

The question then is, would Richard be willing to actually bring on someone who will challenge him because they know the material?  And the follow-up question if "yes" is, would Richard actually stick to the topic at-hand, e.g. discussing just the "face" or "geometry," or a narrow list of topics, or would he Gish Gallop all over the place as soon as someone tries to pin him down on one particular fact?

Hoagland's Achilles heel is that he doesn't realize that most of the technology he reports, such as the shattered domes on the moon, derive from 1950's science fiction and are not the way an advanced civilization would do things as far as technology is concerned. You don't need domes when you have advanced nanotechnology such as utility fog, nor do you want to be on the surface of the moon when you can just build your colony underground.

I don't want to derail the guy because I find his shows to be hilarious listens, so I won't call in. But he's very, very dated in his futurism and is wide open to be shut down on that front. 

[Royal_Tenenbaum]

Hoagland's Achilles heel is that he doesn't realize that most of the technology he reports, such as the shattered domes on the moon, derive from 1950's science fiction and are not the way an advanced civilization would do things as far as technology is concerned. You don't need domes when you have advanced nanotechnology such as utility fog, nor do you want to be on the surface of the moon when you can just build your colony underground.

I don't want to derail the guy because I find his shows to be hilarious listens, so I won't call in. But he's very, very dated in his futurism and is wide open to be shut down on that front.

Agreed, that's why he needs to be a little more open to debate. A radio show should be FUN. This is thing Art understands more than anyone else in the medium.

[SciFiAuthor]

Agreed, that's why he needs to be a little more open to debate. A radio show should be FUN. This is thing Art understands more than anyone else in the medium.

I think you're right. If Hoagland wants his show to be a success, the first thing he needs to do is move away from his theories and just explore the theories of others. Let his dead horse die as far as the show is concerned and move into new territory. Make it a "Richard Hoagland explores the Paranormal" and make it one man's exploration of ghosts, unexplained phenomena and UFO's and avoid his own outdated pseudo-science.

The second thing he needs to do is keep it funny. As the tech problems get solved he needs to weave humorous Hoaglandisms into the fabric of the show to keep the humorous momentum going. The guy's managed to sweep away tons of built up negativity just by being endearing, quirky and fun, he needs to keep riding that wave. He's a host now, not a guest. That requires changing skill sets.

[Royal_Tenenbaum]

I think you're right. If Hoagland wants his show to be a success, the first thing he needs to do is move away from his theories and just explore the theories of others. Let his dead horse die as far as the show is concerned and move into new territory. Make it a "Richard Hoagland explores the Paranormal" and make it one man's exploration of ghosts, unexplained phenomena and UFO's and avoid his own outdated pseudo-science.

The second thing he needs to do is keep it funny. As the tech problems get solved he needs to weave humorous Hoaglandisms into the fabric of the show to keep the humorous momentum going. The guy's managed to sweep away tons of built up negativity just by being endearing, quirky and fun, he needs to keep riding that wave. He's a host now, not a guest. That requires changing skill sets.

ABSOLUTELY. Hoagie only grew on me because the tech problems and general bumbling humanized him. He was no longer a belligerent jerk to me. When he isn't being ignorantly assertive, he is really fun. He purports to love science and the fringe, so when he is acting as an interested vehicle for the audience it is great. Nothing wrong with challenging guests though, as long as it is civil (unless we are debating, which we should have once a week). There is room for Hoagie to keep his ideas, just like Art did with the quickening. Just don't beat the listener over the head. I want the tech problems to continue, even if it is faked btw.

[PB the Deplorable]

I still wonder why on earth Art Bell appointed this clown to do the after-show.  Wasn't it supposed to be a show about Art's show?  (Not that that would have been all that interesting)

I can imagine Hoagie badgering him relentlessly to do the show, so maybe that's all it is


But perhaps Art is playing chess, and placed him there to a) screw Norry, and b) because he (Art) realizes how tired Hoagies' act has become and by giving him his own show wouldn't have to have him come on MITD much, if at all?

[Morgus]

I still wonder why on earth Art Bell appointed this clown to do the after-show.  Wasn't it supposed to be a show about Art's show?  (Not that that would have been all that interesting)

I don't believe there was ever a plan by Art & Keith for an after show to discuss Art's show on DM.
Art said here at bellgab or in a gabcast chat, that he knew Hoagland's show appearances got a lot of listeners, so he figured his own show would do so as well, so for that reason offered him a spot on DM.
Apparently Art was right, since Hoagland recently heard that he has been getting tens of thousands of stream listeners already...

[littlechris]

Apparently Art was right, since Hoagland recently heard that he has been getting tens of thousands of stream listeners already...

If he is so popular, then why does he have ZERO paying sponsors?

#BELLA-HAVEN ROCKS!!!!!

[PB the Deplorable]

I don't believe there was ever a plan by Art & Keith for an after show to discuss Art's show on DM.
Art said here at bellgab or in a gabcast chat, that he knew Hoagland's show appearances got a lot of listeners, so he figured his own show would do so as well, so for that reason offered him a spot on DM.
Apparently Art was right, since Hoagland recently heard that he has been getting tens of thousands of stream listeners already...

So Richard 'get's it'.

I wonder if his audience will continue and grow, or if the novelty will wear off.  Probably depends on Hoagland.

[Morgus]

Jackstar I WISH we could get Expat to debate Hoagie in an hour long segment. This needs to be the new Bellgab blitz. If Hoagland did an hour long "answer your critics" segment episode at the end of each week it would be great. He has done it on network tv, so why not on the show. Hell, maybe even a set segment at the end of each show where the guests could be challenged without being cutoff (save being rude) would offer a nice peer review-ish portion to each show.

Good ideas. Since you have managed to call into Hoagland successfully several times, how about suggesting all that on your next call?
Hoagland seemed willing to accept calls and not cut off that guy who even he called his "stalker" and expressed his own interest in getting Richard Dolan as a guest (who was recently critical of Hoagland on Art's show) so he will probably be agreeable to some other critics on his show too I bet.
Would be great to have Hoagland with some onair debates that some of us wanted on c2c in the past, but some like Plait refused to debate  him on the air unfortunately.

[Morgus]

So Richard 'get's it'.

I wonder if his audience will continue and grow, or if the novelty will wear off.  Probably depends on Hoagland.

As long as Hoagland keeps having amusing technical problems and that loud old phone ringing in the background at times... 

[astroguy]

...but some like Plait refused to debate  him on the air unfortunately.

I've talked with Phil about this before.  The reason he's refused to debate Richard Hoagland is the very reason I pointed to above: Gish Gallop.  Richard is too familiar with the mythology that he's been building up for decades that as soon as you pin him down on one thing, he will go to another.  That, and it would require hours on end of studying exactly everything that Richard has written about each and every topic for decades.

Think of it another way: Would you want to debate Tolkien about Middle Earth?  Or J.K. Rowling on Harry Potter?  They are embedded within their own mythologies and know so much more about them than anyone else possibly could that it would be fairly futile, and Phil had better things to do.