Is George Autistic?

[Gassy Man]

Consider:

1)  Socially inept
2)  Low tolerance for criticism
3)  Poor conversationalist (non sequiturs, failure to follow up with meaningful questions)
4)  Flawed pronunciation (malapropisms, slurring of words)
5)  Awkward speech patterns (wrong emphasis on syllables, disaffected emotions)
6)  Clueless about social mores (loves stories about dead children, for instance, without considering how distasteful they might be for the audience)
7)  Repetition (personal stories, terms -- portals, angelic beings, etc., phrase -- there are no coincidences)

All this time, we may be thinking that George is simply lazy, unintelligent, and incompetent, but maybe he has autism and this is the best that he can do.   

[GeorgieForPresident2216]

I don't know a lot about autism, but I expect autistic people to be focused and attentive to detail on whatever little niche they get interested in to the exclusion of manners and grace.  George doesn't seem very focused.  I don't find he lacks in his ability to interact socially, apart from perhaps paying more attention to his own next sentence than to what the speaker is trying to convey.

[Eddie Coyle]

   No hint of being a savant, so I think the verdict is he's just an artless dolt.

[WOTR]

I have said this before... We don't want him.  He is a flawed, "normal," and you will have to keep him classed as one of you.

The above is meant to be somewhat humourous, but in all honestly, I do actually somewhat doubt it.  He seems to be fine in groups, does not shy away from crowds and loud places, and does not ever appear to show any interest in any subject (among a whole host of other reasons.)  It is hard to diagnose over the 'net- but I have known a few people living life on different parts of the spectrum and he does not really fit in...

[Gassy Man]

The thing is, there are different degrees of autism.  ADHD, for instance, now falls on the autism spectrum, and high functioning autistic people often learn social skills over time.  George's seeming inability to read social cues in his interviews would be common to high-functioning autistic people. 

If George is autistic, then many of the criticisms about him may be unwarranted.  We may assume that he is consciously choosing to be incompetent when, in fact, he's limited beyond choice.

[GeorgieForPresident2216]

The thing is, there are different degrees of autism.  ADHD, for instance, now falls on the autism spectrum, and high functioning autistic people often learn social skills over time.  George's seeming inability to read social cues in his interviews would be common to high-functioning autistic people. 

If George is autistic, then many of the criticisms about him may be unwarranted.  We may assume that he is consciously choosing to be incompetent when, in fact, he's limited beyond choice.

I agree he probably has a fairly pronounced case of ADHD which is likely responsible for most of his limitations now and in the decades while he was being educated and building his experience.

[WOTR]

The thing is, there are different degrees of autism.  ADHD, for instance, now falls on the autism spectrum, and high functioning autistic people often learn social skills over time. 

Being high functioning (Aspergers) I would agree that you can learn social skills over time (God, I hope that I have...)  You also develop a "rolodex" of "proper" responses to give even if you do not feel them (for example, George would have "learned" that finding joy in dead children is inappropriate and changed his response in order to better fit in.)

Also, unless something major has changed, ADHD is not on the spectrum.  Aspergers is now officially Autism (perhaps you are confusing the two?)  I only pulled up a few links, but ADDitude magazine has lots of articles trying to help people (parents?) determine if it is ADD or Autism. autism.org.uk tells you in the article that many kids with Autism also have ADHD (it differentiates.)  Psych central also says that many kids with Autism show ADHD traits (it differentiates). 

http://www.additudemag.com/adhd/article/7952.html
http://www.autism.org.uk/About-autism/Related-conditions/ADHD-attention-deficit-hyperactivity-disorder.aspx
http://psychcentral.com/news/2013/10/18/adhd-kids-often-show-autistic-traits/60851.html

As I said... I think that you will have to keep him as a defective "normal."  Possibly one with ADD (but I even question that.)

[GeorgieForPresident2216]

Being high functioning (Aspergers) I would agree that you can learn social skills over time (God, I hope that I have...)  You also develop a "rolodex" of "proper" responses to give even if you do not feel them (for example, George would have "learned" that finding joy in dead children is inappropriate and changed his response in order to better fit in.)

Also, unless something major has changed, ADHD is not on the spectrum.  Aspergers is now officially Autism (perhaps you are confusing the two?)  I only pulled up a few links, but ADDitude magazine has lots of articles trying to help people (parents?) determine if it is ADD or Autism. autism.org.uk tells you in the article that many kids with Autism also have ADHD (it differentiates.)  Psych central also says that many kids with Autism show ADHD traits (it differentiates). 

http://www.additudemag.com/adhd/article/7952.html
http://www.autism.org.uk/About-autism/Related-conditions/ADHD-attention-deficit-hyperactivity-disorder.aspx
http://psychcentral.com/news/2013/10/18/adhd-kids-often-show-autistic-traits/60851.html

As I said... I think that you will have to keep him as a defective "normal."  Possibly one with ADD (but I even question that.)

Yeah, I should have said ADD.  I'm don't think he displays hyperactivism (I probably made that word up).

[Gassy Man]

Being high functioning (Aspergers) I would agree that you can learn social skills over time (God, I hope that I have...)  You also develop a "rolodex" of "proper" responses to give even if you do not feel them (for example, George would have "learned" that finding joy in dead children is inappropriate and changed his response in order to better fit in.)

Also, unless something major has changed, ADHD is not on the spectrum.  Aspergers is now officially Autism (perhaps you are confusing the two?)  I only pulled up a few links, but ADDitude magazine has lots of articles trying to help people (parents?) determine if it is ADD or Autism. autism.org.uk tells you in the article that many kids with Autism also have ADHD (it differentiates.)  Psych central also says that many kids with Autism show ADHD traits (it differentiates). 

http://www.additudemag.com/adhd/article/7952.html
http://www.autism.org.uk/About-autism/Related-conditions/ADHD-attention-deficit-hyperactivity-disorder.aspx
http://psychcentral.com/news/2013/10/18/adhd-kids-often-show-autistic-traits/60851.html

As I said... I think that you will have to keep him as a defective "normal."  Possibly one with ADD (but I even question that.)

Your points are well taken about ADHD and autism -- I, too, could find nothing online other than the concept of one being confused for the other or the two potentially co-existing.  Thanks for clarifying.

I have a young relative who was diagnosed with autism, and her physician had indicated to the family that ADHD falls under the spectrum.   Perhaps we misunderstood or he mispoke -- I can see how he might have been trying to explain that it's possible for both to exist at the same time, and we took that as it's on the spectrum, but I thought he had literally said that it was.  I certainly don't want to spread misinformation (we already have George to do that), though.

Whatever is George's issue, it may well be more pathological than simply a quirk of personality.  He seems pretty consistent in his behavior and without either the motivation, the self awareness, or both to do anything about it.

[WOTR]

Yeah, quite often Autism and ADD are comorbid... Actually, there are a ton of other traits that often go with Autism (depression, sensory "issues", dyslexia and others...) 

Please do not take my posts too seriously.  I really am just having fun insisting that Jorch is one of "you" and that "we" don't want him.

The fact is that aside from the $$$, and making the celebrity "F" list in Hollywood, I cannot imagine that it is a job that Jorch enjoys.  Whatever his problems are (and almost everybody has them according to the DSM), he picked a job that does not suit him and does not play well to his strengths.  He may well have a diagnoseable issue- but most people find ways to work around them and pick jobs that they are suited for.  Heaven only knows what job would be the ideal fit for Dave- mortician specializing in infants and children?

Anyhow, my best to your relative.  Understanding of the condition has come a long way. 

[WOTR]

Yeah, I should have said ADD.  I'm don't think he displays hyperactivism (I probably made that word up).

Nah, there is the old ADHD and the new ADD.  It used to be believed that you had to have the hyperactivity to get the diagnosis and then they changed it.  You may even get away with AD(H)D if you really tried.   Some people have the H, others are missing it... Same thing either way. 

Though I do believe that hyperactivism may refer to those who took part in the occupy movement and protest the G8 summit when it comes to town.

[Juan]

George's lack of interest in anything is the clincher - not autistic.

[Albemuth]

Or maybe he’s a just guy of average intelligence that hates working the night shift â€" yet is too passive-aggressive to walk away  from his big money Premiere contract…so he behaves like an uninvolved dolt on live radio.


Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) revision IV describes passive-aggressive personality disorder as a "pervasive pattern of negativistic attitudes and passive resistance to demands for adequate performance in social and occupational situations". (Wikipedia)

[Gassy Man]

Unrelated, maybe, but why does George Noory refer to himself as Dave, and is GNoory really him?

[albrecht]

allowing the excuse of some mental defect gives Norry an "out." (And also in our politically correct times might also mean we can't criticize him.) I don't think he is mentally ill, though nobody is "normal" I guess with the expanded definitions etc, but that he has got himself a job that pays well but he doesn't like. I'm sure many have been there (maybe less now than in other times due to the economy) but sometimes you can "find" yourself in a job that pays well but doesn't hold your interest, but you don't want to leave because the money is good. Ultimately this hurts you and the company but for awhile it can work. He clearly wants to be on "tv" (that is internet based but people have "viewing parties") and do health-quackery and live events (and sing.) Fine. Do it. But the salary (and free advertising for "big events" and supplement rackets) keep him on C2C. Why IHateMedia, Inc doesn't make some changes is a whole other story. The mist tunnels and selling of assets must have them blinded.
-GNS

[GeorgieForPresident2216]

Unrelated, maybe, but why does George Noory refer to himself as Dave, and is GNoory really him?

When he first showed up under that name in 2013, he talked to us during his show between segments.  We had him say some things on the air to verify it was him.  MV also, I believe, sent a code word to George Noory's private email so that George could verify his identity in a pm from the gnoory account.

When gnoory first posted, Dave Noorie had just become a 'thing.'  Someone made a comment about 'Dave' to new poster gnoory, to which gnoory responded "This is Dave Noorie."

[Gassy Man]

Ah, that explains a lot -- thanks, Georgie for President 2216.  I wondered, in part, because the words and tone on the messages GNoory leaves don't quite sound like him  . . . but apparently it is he.

[GeorgieForPresident2216]

No problem

[Humilia Lepus Foramen]

ADHD, speech impediment, and, based on last night's posts, possibly drunk?  That trifecta would pretty much explain everything.

[Juan Cena]

ADHD, speech impediment, and, based on last night's posts, possibly drunk?  That trifecta would pretty much explain everything.

You forgot Alzheimers.

[GeorgieForPresident2216]

You forgot Alzheimers.

His mixing of phrases does seem to suggest early Alzheimers, unless his ADD prevented him from learning those phrases in the first place.

[Wintermute]

I have a kid next door who has Down's. The kid could do a better talk radio show than Jorch.

[Robert]

allowing the excuse of some mental defect gives Norry an "out." (And also in our politically correct times might also mean we can't criticize him.) I don't think he is mentally ill, though nobody is "normal" I guess with the expanded definitions etc, but that he has got himself a job that pays well but he doesn't like.

That's what I think.  This is a job that's a little less grueling than, say, long haul trucking, but it requires a commitment to be up in the middle of the night 5 nights a week, and in his case to alternate between St. Louis & Los Angeles studios.  I'm sure this is why C2C has had a hard time retaining talent.  Noory is probably one of the few people with a good voice they can get for what they're willing to pay.  So he pretends to work.

[SredniVashtar]

It seems that the parameters are so broad for Autism these days that half the population might well qualify as being on the spectrum in some way or another. I think he just finds the job a bore and makes no effort to conceal it, as he sounds perfectly lucid at other times.

[Sabu2K]

When i read thread title i legit laughed for good 15 seconds

[Autistic Star Children]

AS A PERSON WITH ADHD AND A FATHER OF AN AUTISTIC CHILD I....

laughed too at the title.

Because I live within both of those worlds everyday, I've actually given some thought wondering if Art is on the spectrum. Would be happy to elaborate to anyone interested privately.

Think George Noory is just a guy on the radio not as good as Art and in about a month will be forgotten.

[Juan Cena]

AS A PERSON WITH ADHD AND A FATHER OF AN AUTISTIC CHILD I....

laughed too at the title.

Because I live within both of those worlds everyday, I've actually given some thought wondering if Art is on the spectrum. Would be happy to elaborate to anyone interested privately.

Think George Noory is just a guy on the radio not as good as Art and in about a month will be forgotten.

This probably is just wishful thinking.

[UFQuack]

ADD? How about OCD?...with his obsession being that he keeps checking the clock for commercial spots, the news breaks, and the time the show ends, maybe that's part of the reason he can't give things his full attention.

This thread might as well be called "Diagnosing Jorch"

[Corona Kitty]

This probably is just wishful thinking.

Noory is here to stay

[Juan Cena]

Noory is here to stay

I'm just doubting Art's return is going to seriously effect Dave's ratings as posters around here suggest will happen.