CIA admits: All those UFO sightings in 1950s? 'It was us'

[Marc.Knight]

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/12/30/cia-admits-all-those-ufo-sightings-in-150s-it-was-us/?intcmp=trending




Read (pdf):


https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/books-and-monographs/the-cia-and-the-u-2-program-1954-1974/u2.pdf

[Yorkshire pud]

The cold war; While pilots are reporting UFO's (which they were, by dint they didn't identify them), the press and public ran away with the idea of flying saucers and aliens. More importantly though the Soviet Union aren't suspecting spy planes while this hysteria is being orchestrated. To a point of course; Gary Powers was shot down and red faces all round.

[paladin1991]

Aaahahhahahahah.   A CIA confession?  Who believes any shit they say? 

[Yorkshire pud]

Aaahahhahahahah.   A CIA confession?  Who believes any shit they say?

Well I do for one; I work for them, Stellar said I did, so it must be true.

[paladin1991]

Well I do for one; I work for them, Stellar said I did, so it must be true.

Well, since you have worked with 'our friends' you must know, of course, that they will sell their own mothers to slavers.

[Juan]

Hard to accept.  I don't remember any notable UFO stories that reported a craft at 60k feet

[Yorkshire pud]

Hard to accept.  I don't remember any notable UFO stories that reported a craft at 60k feet

U2 was only one aeroplane they were using though. In the 50's up to now, the black budgets are building and flying stuff we never know about. SR71 is still classified in many of it's capabilities and most of it's missions still are. The F117 was flying about ten years before Flight International had it on it's front cover to announce it's existence.

[Juan]

The article refers to the U2.  I don't think a U2 chased the people and cops at Exeter.  Nor landed in Michigan and impersonated swamp gas.

[b_dubb]

is this the UFO you saw?

[Yorkshire pud]

The article refers to the U2.  I don't think a U2 chased the people and cops at Exeter.  Nor landed in Michigan and impersonated swamp gas.

That's assuming all sightings are truthful/ easily explained etc. I really want to believe we have aliens among us and from childhood I think I've read nearly every major book on the subject. Then came the internet and old age and the sinking in of probability/reality. 

[b_dubb]

I still have my sightings. None of which could be attributed to a U2 or a stealth aircraft. I've been to Wrigh Patt. I've seen the stealth fighter, the stealth bomber,  the YAL-1, and several X planes. None were so exotic that they couldn't be identified as a PLANE. All these craft use the same aerodynamic principals to stay in the air. Forward thrust. Lift produced by wind flowing over a wing.

What's funny is that press release from the CIA is expected to be taken at face value and accepted as fact. Ridiculous.

[Yorkshire pud]

I still have my sightings. None of which could be attributed to a U2 or a stealth aircraft. I've been to Wrigh Patt. I've seen the stealth fighter, the stealth bomber,  the YAL-1, and several X planes. None were so exotic that they couldn't be identified as a PLANE. All these craft use the same aerodynamic principals to stay in the air. Forward thrust. Lift produced by wind flowing over a wing.

What's funny is that press release from the CIA is expected to be taken at face value and accepted as fact. Ridiculous.

I think it is only a small % of what they're admitting to as far as secret aircraft are concerned. But after all these years of 'aliens' don't you think it incredible that none have made a grand entrance? It's not likely that humans visiting a far off planet wouldn't try to say hello, why shouldn't aliens coming here?

[b_dubb]

I think it is only a small % of what they're admitting to as far as secret aircraft are concerned. But after all these years of 'aliens' don't you think it incredible that none have made a grand entrance? It's not likely that humans visiting a far off planet wouldn't try to say hello, why shouldn't aliens coming here?

They don't really care about official relations. They don't want to start a war.

[Kelt]

The B-2 didn't exist until the Air Force rolled out a finished model in the 80s... when it had already been through planning, prototype, testing, and combat missions.  The reality of its existence prior to its official announcement being something different to official Reality, with a capital R.






Given the TRILLIONS pumped into black projects I'd expect the TR-3B to be the most basic, mundane, ordinary vehicle designed and flown by the US military in secret. A triangular ship that operates using spinning plasma as a form of anti-gravity... that sounds feasible.  That sounds more than feasible, it sounds like we should have done this 20 years ago... and we probably did.  The Chinese are all excited because they've got F-35 rip-offs.  We've likely got a fleet of silent, interplanetary-capable, triangular death machines that can fly from S4 to Shanghai in a couple of femtoseconds.





It's the shit we haven't even imagined those trillions of dollars creating that I want to know about.  Because you know its out there, in DUMBS, a hundred years ahead of the medieval shit Apple and the other tech corps are pumping out.


Missile test, my hairy arse.

[GeorgieForPresident2216]

Black projects are good at honing a few specific technologies to a basic level (like basic stealth technology) but no way can they outclass what is in the public domain (in a manner of speaking) like the F-35 program.  Even with a massive black budget, they can't compete with global or even domestic personnel and financial resources available for private-public partnerships to develop science, technology, and multi-hundred billion dollar projects IMO.

[Kelt]

That would depend upon your starting point and the technologies available to each group.


The private sector is great at developing pre-existing tech of the sort that comes from government projects, but it's the governments that generally lead the way.   


Sure, Apple could build an iTR-3B, which comes in different shapes and colours, but it's the government that has the resources to initiate the creation of these projects in the first place.


The government has the money (Trillions), the privacy to test fly (Nevada/Arctic), and the free reign to create these projects.  At some point the private sector may get their hands on this tech and develop it further, but no private company has the money or resources to develop this kind of exotic technology.

[eddie dean]

They don't really care about official relations. They don't want to start a war.

A war?
If  ET's are here & they are abducting thousands of people and experimenting on them against their will, wouldn't that be interpreted as a devious and  threatening posture? I guess you can't kill or go to war with an unknown interloper. I think I just made your point. 
nevermind

[Juan]

About 10-years ago, I saw a craft that looked much like the second photo posted by Kelt.  I was sitting on my balcony about two blocks from the Atlantic.  We had very low clouds, almost to ground level, and a more or less full moon rising over the ocean which illuminated the clouds like a rear screen projector.  I saw a triangular craft leisurely making it's way south - it was solid black and showed no lights.  It was flying lower than commercial jets, but higher than Navy helicopters.  Without the extremely odd weather condition, it would have been invisible.

It was clearly no U2 nor B2 - it was definitely a long triangle - not long wings, not a flying wing.

[analog kid]

I still have my sightings. None of which could be attributed to a U2 or a stealth aircraft. I've been to Wrigh Patt. I've seen the stealth fighter, the stealth bomber,  the YAL-1, and several X planes. None were so exotic that they couldn't be identified as a PLANE. All these craft use the same aerodynamic principals to stay in the air. Forward thrust. Lift produced by wind flowing over a wing.

What's funny is that press release from the CIA is expected to be taken at face value and accepted as fact. Ridiculous.

Really interesting b_dubb.

I think one should at least read Leslie Kean's book. Though the Rendlesham Forest case is in it which is a load of bull.

[b_dubb]

Really interesting b_dubb.

I think one should at least read Leslie Kean's book. Though the Rendlesham Forest case is in it which is a load of bull.

Why is Rendlesham bravo sierra?

[Uncle Duke]

The B-2 didn't exist until the Air Force rolled out a finished model in the 80s... when it had already been through planning, prototype, testing, and combat missions.  The reality of its existence prior to its official announcement being something different to official Reality, with a capital R.

There was no B-2 flight of any type, test and certainly not combat, prior to the roll out.  The roll-out a/c shown above was far from airworthy, it was a static display item at best at the time. Think black world bondo.  The real story behind the B-2 roll-out will make a great article in one of the aviation history magazines at some point.  A USAF general officer who shall remain nameless was responsible for a security breach at the roll-out that rocked the B-2 world. Not surprisingly, he retired soon thereafter.

As for the CIA comments, no question a large number of UFO reports have been caused by classified a/c.  Our friend Area51drone and I have had this discussion on more than one occasion relative to Area 51. It's the  +/-5% of sightings that can't be explained that interest me.

[Kelt]

Ah,  I'm thinking of the F117 Nighthawk. Wrong early stealth aircraft.


"The maiden flight of the F-117 happened in 1981 and the aircraft achieved initial operating capability status in October 1983.The Nighthawk spent much of its early service life shrouded in secrecy, until it was revealed to the world in November 1988"

My mistake, though the point remains.

[Yorkshire pud]

There was no B-2 flight of any type, test and certainly not combat, prior to the roll out.  The roll-out a/c shown above was far from airworthy, it was a static display item at best at the time. Think black world bondo.  The real story behind the B-2 roll-out will make a great article in one of the aviation history magazines at some point.  A USAF general officer who shall remain nameless was responsible for a security breach at the roll-out that rocked the B-2 world. Not surprisingly, he retired soon thereafter.

As for the CIA comments, no question a large number of UFO reports have been caused by classified a/c.  Our friend Area51drone and I have had this discussion on more than one occasion relative to Area 51. It's the  +/-5% of sightings that can't be explained that interest me.

Oh you're a terrible tease!

[GeorgieForPresident2216]

Ah,  I'm thinking of the F117 Nighthawk. Wrong early stealth aircraft.


"The maiden flight of the F-117 happened in 1981 and the aircraft achieved initial operating capability status in October 1983.The Nighthawk spent much of its early service life shrouded in secrecy, until it was revealed to the world in November 1988"

My mistake, though the point remains.

That's true, but it wasn't really a complete paradigm shift in science or technology.  I remember Popular Science providing sketches of what they thought the suspected fighter should look like based on basic aerodynamics principles.

[136 or 142]

From the article:
"Consequently, once U-2s started flying at altitudes above 60,000 feet, air-traffic controllers began receiving increasing numbers of UFO reports." The CIA actually cross-checked the UFO reports with its flight records, it noted in the document, but in instances when it verified the UFO was really a U-2, it stayed mum."[/font]
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I could be totally offbase here, but hasn't the CIA said in the past that they never looked at UFO reports?[/font]

[Yorkshire pud]

http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_B-2_Spirit

This viewing was heavily restricted, and guests were not allowed to see the rear of the B-2. However,]Aviation Week editors found that there were no airspace restrictions above the presentation area and took photographs of the aircraft's then-secret planform and suppressed engine exhausts from the air, to the USAF's disappointment.

Might it be this?

[Yorkshire pud]

I could be totally offbase here, but hasn't the CIA said in the past that they never looked at UFO reports?[/font]

Maybe not officially; but curiosity alone would make you want to compare newpaper reports with what you knew you were doing. And let the story run. As I said above, it was the cold war and last thing the USA wanted, was the SU to know what new fangled aircraft might be in the air. Makes sense to divert attention away and not deny the possibility of UFO's.

[136 or 142]

Maybe not officially; but curiosity alone would make you want to compare newpaper reports with what you knew you were doing. And let the story run. As I said above, it was the cold war and last thing the USA wanted, was the SU to know what new fangled aircraft might be in the air. Makes sense to divert attention away and not deny the possibility of UFO's.

Seems logical.

[Threaten the Hoover]

They aren't taking credit for all the sightings, *just* 50%.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGIgtyrk51c

[Yorkshire pud]

They aren't taking credit for all the sightings, *just* 50%.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGIgtyrk51c

The CIA isn't the only alphabet soup that operates secret aircraft. The USAF do too; and latterly the RAF. Well strictly no, BEA systems make them, the RAF are the end users. Wiki the B2 bomber (Previous post link). The budget on that to date is frightening. For 21 aircraft. One of which crashed on take off at Guam. And we know about that 'secret' aeroplane.