CIA admits: All those UFO sightings in 1950s? 'It was us'

[Threaten the Hoover]

Just pointing out the deliberately inaccurate/hyped headline, no one is saying that the other 50% are Reticulan Sports models. Though I don't believe everything that people claim to see can be explained away as aircraft or swamp gas etc, either.

[analog kid]

Why is Rendlesham bravo sierra?

Sorry for the late response, but there's serious problems with the testimony. Mainly it's with the two main guys, whose stories have changed, evolved and diverged quite a lot. They argue with each other over why this is. I hate to link to a "skeptical" podcast, but in this episode, what I do agree with on it was damning enough.

[b_dubb]

I'm glad I'm not the only one here that listens to Skeptoid. Shame Brian Dunning got sent to prison.

[Kelt]

That's true, but it wasn't really a complete paradigm shift in science or technology.  I remember Popular Science providing sketches of what they thought the suspected fighter should look like based on basic aerodynamics principles.

Well, no, but the point wasn't the technology involved but rather the official denial of Black projects even after they've entered service.  You would have to think that the more exotic the breakthrough the longer the secret will be kept.


It wouldn't surprise me to find that the money spent on exotic technologies has produced said exotic technologies... we've certainly spent enough money on them to assume a few avenues of research have borne results.


Could we have some form of non-chemical rocket vehicle that can leave the atmosphere as easily as an aircraft leaves the runway, and flies to say, the Moon and back, with the same routine efficiency as an aircraft goes from New York to Washington.  Again, I don't see that as out of the realms of possibility.


To me the TR-3B, and the associated wave of triangular UFO sightings, are very likely the result of terrestrial tech, and in 20 or 30 years they'll roll one out of the hanger and say, "Oh THIS secret project?  Yeah, we totally did that.  Sorry, we were confused... when you said we had an interplanetary vehicle in the shape of a triangle that uses spinning plasma as a means to create an anti-gravity lift we thought you were talking about some other vehicle that we hadn't developed.  But you meant this one?  Yeah, we have this one."


It's crazier to think that after decades of development and trillions of dollars of research that there's nothing to show for it.   

[Threaten the Hoover]

Even with an official memo, with no proof other than an audio tape and some hand drawn sketches, Rendlesham is just another story to me... Curious how the tape appears to sync up to the pulsing of the lighthouse.

Does the TR3-B have any substance beyond Ed Fouche's 2nd hand claims?  If the US military had anti-gravity for the past 30-40 years I'd expect that some kind of parallel accomplishment would have been made in a less secretive sector, AFAIK, this hasn't happened.  OK there are stories of experiments which were successful, but there seems little hard evidence, its even more nebulous than Cold Fusion/LENR - a field which perhaps is showing some progress.

I have spoken to Ed a few times, and IMHO he's not a credible character - once he showed me obviously photoshopped pics, including a pic of a crashed F-14 - the wreckage of the wingbox/pancake and broken off wings forming a vaguely triangular looking thing, claiming they were proof of the 3B's existence.

I could perhaps forgive some of the claims, but since the guy also claimed to have worked on aircraft in the military, I was a bit surprised he didn't recognise the Turkey wreck for what it was. 

[Uncle Duke]

Rendlesham remains one of the best cases in modern ufology, although like too many UFO incidents (both credible and non-credible) the basic accounts have suffered from "story creep" as various individuals seek to make a buck on the sightings.  First and foremost is Penniston's goofy "binary code" tale he waited a couple decades to relate. Further, as more authors/researchers work on their Rendlesham projects, they have to find different angles from which to approach and retell the story to make their work standout. It's also clear there are definitely personal conflicts among the principals, this became very apparent with the release of books by Peter Robbins and Nick Pope just in the past few years.  I had great hope for the "let's get all those involved together and have a round table discussion" effort proposed to the various individuals by Jimmy Church last spring.  I was actually willing to help financially support this gathering, an offer I made both privately and publically to Church.  Sounded like the idea was accepted in principle, but as far as I know nothing came of it. 

As for black programs, keep in mind a lot of what's in the public domain on such projects is the result of information leaked for political and/or disinformation purposes.  For example, the existence of a "stealth bomber" was first leaked by the Carter Administration to bolster Carter's defense cred after he cancelled the B-1 in the late 70s.  More entertaining are the efforts of stooges like Sweetman and Schatt who are quick to spread stories they claim come from "high ranking industry sources" and "Pentagon insiders".  Get a rumor like the existence of nonentities such as the Aurora or TR-3B going and it soon gets legs and takes on a life of its own.  We used to laugh our asses off at some of the stuff we saw in print, although I will admit at being shocked on a couple occasions at how close stories came to being true.  Ironically, those instances did not involve aviation/defense writers or publications and the information related was not the focus of the articles.

I know, or at least did know at the time, what was flying out of those facilities that don't/didn't exist, and there were definite correlations to those flights and UFO sightings.  What continues to puzzle me, however, are the sightings of craft, usually trigangular, claimed to be miles long.  If those claims are true, they are certainly not ours.  Practical logistical considerations make that fairly obvious.  Where would you build something that big?  More interestingly, where would you base and hangar it?  Such a stationary structure would dwarf the airship hangers at Lakehurst and Moffett, and would be readily discernable even via commercial satellites. When it comes to UFOs, at least in my mind, size does matter.

[paladin1991]

I know, or at least did know at the time, what was flying out of those facilities that don't/didn't exist, and there were definite correlations to those flights and UFO sightings.  What continues to puzzle me, however, are the sightings of craft, usually trigangular, claimed to be miles long.  If those claims are true, they are certainly not ours.  Practical logistical considerations make that fairly obvious.  Where would you build something that big?  More interestingly, where would you base and hangar it?  Such a stationary structure would dwarf the airship hangers at Lakehurst and Moffett, and would be readily discernable even via commercial satellites. When it comes to UFOs, at least in my mind, size does matter.

I would ask the Nazis on the moon if they might rent us some parking spaces?

[Kelt]

Plenty room in the Antarctic to build whatever you want away from the prying eyes of the public. An entire continent free from press and civilians with cell phones.  There are certainly habitable areas there where you could build yourself a nice, big secret base.  No need for Moon bases.


For example, McMurdo Base is right next to a huge area of ice-free Antarctic real estate.  Quite handy, that.













EDIT: Oddly enough, in that exact area, you can see a huge triangle just sitting there on the ice.  A Nice, symmetric triangle


Triangle

[Yorkshire pud]

EDIT: Oddly enough, in that exact area, you can see a huge triangle just sitting there on the ice.  A Nice, symmetric triangle

Zoomed in as far as possible and I'm sorry to report it isn't: Looks very much like an outcrop of rock with a scarp down one side and a ridge that curves.

[Uncle Duke]

Plenty room in the Antarctic to build whatever you want away from the prying eyes of the public. An entire continent free from press and civilians with cell phones.  There are certainly habitable areas there where you could build yourself a nice, big secret base.  No need for Moon bases.


For example, McMurdo Base is right next to a huge area of ice-free Antarctic real estate.  Quite handy, that.













EDIT: Oddly enough, in that exact area, you can see a huge triangle just sitting there on the ice.  A Nice, symmetric triangle


Triangle

Away from prying eyes yes, but as the photos you provided clearly show, not prying satellites. Real estate? Sure lots of it, but the practicality of building a facility large enough to house a miles long craft is nil in such a remote, hostile environment.  Logistically it would be impossible to establish an infrastructure to sustain the work force necessary to build such a facility while at the same time bringing in enough supplies/equipment to actually build it. Even if it was logistically possible, the effort would be of such a magnitude it would be noticed by satellite.

Not sure what to make of your triangle, maybe we should seek the advice of an expert like Richard C Hoagland.

[Kelt]

Away from prying eyes yes, but as the photos you provided clearly show, not prying satellites. Real estate? Sure lots of it, but the practicality of building a facility large enough to house a miles long craft is nil in such a remote, hostile environment.  Logistically it would be impossible to establish an infrastructure to sustain the work force necessary to build such a facility while at the same time bringing in enough supplies/equipment to actually build it. Even if it was logistically possible, the effort would be of such a magnitude it would be noticed by satellite.

Not sure what to make of your triangle, maybe we should seek the advice of an expert like Richard C Hoagland.

I'm just pointing out the huge triangle a short distance from McMurdo, right there in the giant ice-free zone, is all.


It could be a solitary natural protrusion, it could be a high tech triangle venting plasma after it flies from its underground hanger. But whatever it is, it's pretty much a triangle.


I do disagree that it's logistically impossible to create a sizable base in the Antarctic, though.  Difficult, maybe, but impossible no.

[Yorkshire pud]

I'm just pointing out the huge triangle a short distance from McMurdo, right there in the giant ice-free zone, is all.


It could be a solitary natural protrusion, it could be a high tech triangle venting plasma after it flies from its underground hanger. But whatever it is, it's pretty much a triangle.


I do disagree that it's logistically impossible to create a sizable base in the Antarctic, though.  Difficult, maybe, but impossible no.

The snow drift? Look at the even bigger outcrop to the bottom of the photos, the drift is in the same elevation. i.e.. bottom left to top right. If my schooldays geography hasn't let me down, that looks very much like a glacier track.

[Kelt]

Your schooldays geography taught you how to determine relative elevation from a top down satellite image?


The hell school did you go to?

[Yorkshire pud]

Your schooldays geography taught you how to determine relative elevation from a top down satellite image?


The hell school did you go to?

I had a geography teacher who claimed that anyone who could draw a perfect circle was insane; before he drew a fjord perfect map of Norway, with chalk. His knowledge of lateral and terminal moraines, screes, ridges, boulder clay, and a thousand other geological features was a joy. I like to think his enthusiasm and knowledge rubbed off.

[Kelt]

I had a history teacher who spent the 60s killing Arabs in Aden as part of the glorious Imperial Empire's occupational tactic of killing the Brownies and calling it peace.


He seemed quite enthusiastic about that.

[Yorkshire pud]

To my knowledge John Stransfield's jaunts heading field trips into the wilds of the Peak District in winter and occasionally further afield was the limit of his shattering of the peace. LOL...we never had bad weather; it was always inclement!

[Mind Flayer Monk]

I think you can right click on google maps (What's This? button) and get the coords, then find those coords on these maps if you need to be precise.
http://usarc.usgs.gov/drg_dload.shtml

[ks3484]

To my knowledge John Stransfield's jaunts heading field trips into the wilds of the Peak District in winter and occasionally further afield was the limit of his shattering of the peace. LOL...we never had bad weather; it was always inclement!

Yeeeeessss! I tried pointing this very thing out when I was posting the information about Orion and it's true mission. The next phase of this nefarious operation will be to begin taking, or abducting, those who are named in one of Orion's memory cards. When the abductions become so numerous that the reports will become front page news. Then dumbing down will require the masses to accept  stories about the  outbreak of the ebola virus in the US. This is how they will facilitate the disposable and removable of the cadavers  and corpses.

[Yorkshire pud]

Yeeeeessss! I tried pointing this very thing out when I was posting the information about Orion and it's true mission. The next phase of this nefarious operation will be to begin taking, or abducting, those who are named in one of Orion's memory cards. When the abductions become so numerous that the reports will become front page news. Then dumbing down will require the masses to accept  stories about the  outbreak of the ebola virus in the US. This is how they will facilitate the disposable and removable of the cadavers  and corpses.

Really?






Erm, yes.

[paladin1991]

I had a history teacher who spent the 60s killing Arabs in Aden as part of the glorious Imperial Empire's occupational tactic of killing the Brownies and calling it peace.


He seemed quite enthusiastic about that.

You type that like it was a bad thing.