Hillary Clinton

[Dr. MD MD]

With regard to the election rigging and the deal with the Iranians, no.  The CIA didn't need to make a deal with the Iranians because they wanted to hold the hostages until after Carter left office.  First of all they had no respect for Carter as evidenced by their rhetoric and taunts and wanted to rub his nose in it a little before he left office. Reagan had campaigned on exercising a military option if the hostages were not returned and the Iranians believed him.  The Republicans don't have the guile or organization to rig a national election whereas the Dems do and are old hands at it as we are finding out.  The other points are debatable and I could argue either side.

Right, so you're basically agreeing with me in saying that the CIA ignored Carter's executive authority and went behind his back to get Reagan elected because before that Carter had, apparently, worked out a deal with the newly-elected Iranian President Abdolhassan Bani-Sadr to have them released. Then, behind Carter's back, the Reagan campaign worked out a deal with Khomeini to keep the hostages in captivity until after the 1980 Presidential election. People love to lionize Reagan but he gutted unions and started the whole ball rolling toward free trade and the global economy. Notice how the one step of progress made during his two terms ended in a bubble burst in which we were set two steps back? 

[Kidnostad3]

The Trumptard ways are strong in this one.

Why do we bother with this left wing propagandist. I believe 136 is a Clinton work-from-home contractor who is paid on a piecework basis (I.e. by the disingenuous, obfuscating and often bitchy blog post).  He no doubt has other home-based businesses akin to "Bubbles' Kittylove Daycare."  Bubbles of course is another Canadian entrepreneur who lives in the same trailer park.   

[GravitySucks]

Right, so you're basically agreeing with me in saying that the CIA ignored Carter's executive authority and went behind his back to get Reagan elected because before that Carter had, apparently, worked out a deal with the newly-elected Iranian President Abdolhassan Bani-Sadr to have them released. Then, behind Carter's back, the Reagan campaign worked out a deal with Khomeini to keep the hostages in captivity until after the 1980 Presidential election. People love to lionize Reagan but he gutted unions and started the whole ball rolling toward free trade and the global economy. Notice how the one step of progress made during his two terms ended in a bubble burst in which we were set two steps back? 

Carter lost the election during the debate he agreed to right before the election. If he had not agreed to the debate, he most likely would have won. A large group of people had doubts about Reagan. He aced the debate.

p.s. Unions suck.

Sometimes a rock is just a rock.

[Dr. MD MD]

Carter lost the election during the debate he agreed to right before the election. If he had not agreed to the debate, he most likely would have won. A large group of people had doubts about Reagan. He aced the debate.

Sometimes a rock is just a rock.

How's his legacy wokin out for ya? 

[GravitySucks]

How's his legacy wokin out for ya? 

Better than it was under Carter. And I voted for Carter the first time. Then my frontal lobe fully developed.

[Kidnostad3]

Right, so you're basically agreeing with me in saying that the CIA ignored Carter's executive authority and went behind his back to get Reagan elected because before that Carter had, apparently, worked out a deal with the newly-elected Iranian President Abdolhassan Bani-Sadr to have them released. Then, behind Carter's back, the Reagan campaign worked out a deal with Khomeini to keep the hostages in captivity until after the 1980 Presidential election. People love to lionize Reagan but he gutted unions and started the whole ball rolling toward free trade and the global economy. Notice how the one step of progress made during his two terms ended in a bubble burst in which we were set two steps back? 

No, I'm saying that the CIA had no reason to act and didn't. 

[Dr. MD MD]

No, I'm saying that the CIA had no reason to act and didn't.

How would the fledgling and as yet unelected Reagan administration reach out to Iran without them? You really don't think these things through, do you? 

[Dr. MD MD]

Better than it was under Carter. And I voted for Carter the first time. Then my frontal lobe fully developed.

Sure, during...but after? Not so much, I'm guessing. 

[Kidnostad3]

How would the fledgling and as yet unelected Reagan administration reach out to Iran without them? You really don't think these things through, do you? 

What was in it for the CIA?  What was it's motive?

[Dr. MD MD]

What was in it for the CIA?  What was it's motive?

That's history now. A black op supporting the Contras funded by selling illegal street drugs to it's own citizens. 

[Kidnostad3]

That's history now. A black op against the Contras funded by selling illegal street drugs to it's own citizens. 

You have just crossed the line into wing nut territory.  Ollie North was stationed at Qunatico at the the time of Reagan's election and had no relationship with him or the CIA.  The two events were not contemporaneous and occurred at least 6 years apart.  Sorry, but that's just horse shit.  But i mean that in the best possible way. 

[Dr. MD MD]

You have just crossed the line into wing nut territory.  Ollie North was stationed at Qunatico at the the time of Reagan's election and had no relationship with him or the CIA.  The two events were not contemporaneous and occurred at least 6 years apart.  Sorry, but that's just horse shit.  But i mean that in the best possible way.

I hardly think so. This is all public knowledge now. Of course those involved deny or don't remember but that doesn't mean it never happened.

[Kidnostad3]

I hardly think so. This is all public knowledge now. Of course those involved deny or don't remember but that doesn't mean it never happened.

Le's talk again when you have your facts straight.

[Dr. MD MD]

Le's talk again when you have your facts straight.

It's pointless. You'll only be spoon fed what your leaders want you to hear...and they lie all the time. Best of luck! 

[Kidnostad3]

It's pointless. You'll only be spoon fed what your leaders want you to hear...and they lie all the time. Best of luck! 

Look, the timeline is all wrong.  Check it out.   Please tell me what your source of information is or can't you be bothered. 

[Gyoza Girl]

The money the Clintons donated was given to their own foundation... which then pays her daughter's salary. Nothing illegal about that, they are just taking advantage of the tax code.

But they aren't funding other charities with their own dollars.

When you say they donated to "their own foundation," do you mean the Clinton Foundation that spends 88 percent of its donations on charitable work? The Clintons also have a family foundation for their personal giving. It's been weeks since I read an article about that one, but I seem to remember gifts to a lot of universities and churches, grants to local charitable groups in Arkansas among other places, and large national charities such as the Elizabeth Glaser Pediatric AIDS Foundation. I think the Children's Defense Fund was listed, as well. They didn't just donate to their own foundation.

[Dr. MD MD]

Look, the timeline is all wrong.  Check it out.   Please tell me what your source of information is or can't you be bothered.

I have. The Sandinistas took power in 1979 and it was a goal of Reagan's from day one to defeat them one way or another. Remember? He was all about crushing communism everywhere. Of course, by then they turned their propaganda machine up to 11 to try to convince us all that even local democracies and trade unions were communist. Most bought it. Maybe we really are that dumb. 

[Gyoza Girl]

Actually in many cases they do. Depending on the case sometimes the people really like organized crimes figures or mafia families because they "protect" the neighborhood, pay for parades, pay for children's sports, give to charity/church, will employ friends/family/neighborhood in their "businesses," even the legit ones used to launder money etc.

OK, I've seen "The Godfather" movies so I guess this sort of thing happens. I still wouldn't characterize Bill and Hillary as gangsters, though.

[theONE]

Ouch!  That's gonna leave a mark.

hahaha , I Thank You now GS ,lol

[Dr. MD MD]

OK, I've seen "The Godfather" movies so I guess this sort of thing happens. I still wouldn't characterize Bill and Hillary as gangsters, though.

[Kidnostad3]

I have. The Sandinistas took power in 1979 and it was a goal of Reagan's from day one to defeat them one way or another. Remember? He was all about crushing communism everywhere. Of course, by then they turned their propaganda machine up to 11 to try to convince us all that even local democracies and trade unions were communist. Most bought it. Maybe we really are that dumb. 

Uh huh.  You are taking events that unfolded over a period of 8 years and crediting the spooks with the ability to foresee every twist and turn.    We all know how good the intelligence community is at predicting things like the fall of the Soviet Union, Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, 9/11, Russia's invasion of Georgia, Russia's annexing of the Crimea, the Arab Spring etc.  My point is that conspiracy theorists attribute metaphysical powers to people and organizations that are just not realistic or provable.  You apparently think I am some kind of operative that answers to one of these omniscient forces of evil.  I don't mean to be insulting but that's just silly. More than that it forecloses on any further argument which is a coward's way out.  You still haven't told me what your sources are.

[GravitySucks]

Uh huh.  You are taking events that unfolded over a period of 8 years and crediting the spooks with the ability to foresee every twist and turn.    We all know how good the intelligence community is at predicting things like the fall of the Soviet Union, Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, 9/11, Russia's invasion of Georgia, Russia's annexing of the Crimea, the Arab Spring etc.  My point is that conspiracy theorists attribute metaphysical powers to people and organizations that are just not realistic or provable.  You apparently think I am some kind of operative that answers to one of these omniscient forces of evil.  I don't mean to be insulting but that's just silly. More than that it forecloses on any further argument which is a coward's way out.  You still haven't told me what your sources are.

You know they planned the whole Eagle Claw op and used their weather modification technology to create a sandstorm to ef up that whole mission because we didn't really want to get the hostages back. Come on kid. Fess up.

[theONE]

You can't prove a negative you dolt...

chefist allow me to correct you, 136 is not a dolt he is a ...Bitchy Poofta --Canadian Bitchy Poofta

[theONE]

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?? son ?? hmmmm son hmmmmm

[Dr. MD MD]

Uh huh.  You are taking events that unfolded over a period of 8 years and crediting the spooks with the ability to foresee every twist and turn.    We all know how good the intelligence community is at predicting things like the fall of the Soviet Union, Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, 9/11, Russia's invasion of Georgia, Russia's annexing of the Crimea, the Arab Spring etc.  My point is that conspiracy theorists attribute metaphysical powers to people and organizations that are just not realistic or provable.  You apparently think I am some kind of operative that answers to one of these omniscient forces of evil.  I don't mean to be insulting but that's just silly. More than that it forecloses on any further argument which is a coward's way out.  You still haven't told me what your sources are.

That's alright. I find your perspective exceedingly naive...puerile even. You're obviously confusing when things broke in the press to when things actually went down and using catch phrases like "conspiracy theorist" doesn't really help your argument. In fact, the fall of the Soviet Union was predicted because it was the end goal of that administration's policy toward Russia and also started our problem with our Muslim fundamentalist "friends."

You? An operative?! 

No, seriously there are some here for whom I sometimes suspect that sort of thing but, as far as I can tell, you're retired Navy, right?

[theONE]

great stuff VQ ,Her own crowd will stamped over her ,LOL

[theONE]

Why do we bother with this left wing propagandist. I believe 136 is a Clinton work-from-home contractor who is paid on a piecework basis (I.e. by the disingenuous, obfuscating and often bitchy blog post).  He no doubt has other home-based businesses akin to "Bubbles' Kittylove Daycare."  Bubbles of course is another Canadian entrepreneur who lives in the same trailer park.

I totally agree with this post, 136Bitchy Poofta is a Canadian shill who hates Americans and he is doing that for money, total vomit
Sticking his nose in American election on a American Forum insulting Americans wishing painful death to an American poster here because
that poster has different political opinion,..here you go 136Bitchy Poofta Canadian hater of Americans

[Jackstar]

136 is a Clinton work-from-home contractor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L_73vDgBjU

[Jackstar]

With regard to the election rigging and the deal with the Iranians, no.

That's really just your opinion. Although I respect the way you were already really old when it happened, your point of view is a value lesson.

[Jackstar]

My point is that conspiracy theorists attribute metaphysical powers to people and organizations that are just not realistic or provable.

What do detectives do?