How to Improve Coast to Coast - Observations, Evaluations and Suggestions

[Zircon]

In reading many posts from several threads in this forum, the prevailing opinion of the quality of Coast to Coast AM is that it is in decline and its best days were when Art Bell hosted his own creation. I must agree that Art was a solid anchor for the program and wasn't nearly as accommodating as Noory, Wells and Knapp with their guests. There will never be another "Art" host on C2C.

Perhaps a reformatting of the weekly broadcasts could increase interest? The spectrum of potential guests include true scientists with PhDs, archaeologists/anthropologists, folklore, UFO investigators, social/political/economics investigators, futurists, paranormal investigators and so called spiritualists.

If potential listeners knew that on Friday, for example, paranormal, spiritual or folklore were to be discussed then this would attract people interested in those subject matters to Friday night programs. I realize that the C2C posts its week's programs in advance. But there is no consistency. What I suggest might not work but it might be worth a try.

Like them or not, some of the common names we see appear often such as Hoagland and Howe have basically earned their "right" to appear. They have contributed for years to C2C and often have information worth listening to.

I believe futurists and space travel to include generation ships and space arks are extremely interesting. Also programs dealing with these latest finds in Turkey. The old dead horse of Atlantis and channeling to Atlanteans is a total waste of time and I don't even bother listening to these dog-and-pony show programs. Wiccan and feminine goddesses sounds to me like an anti-male, pro-NOW hag programs. Remote viewing is a complete lie. EVP is pure nonsense. But that is just me.

The program needs to get away from these soft subjects that are unbelievable and largely bullshit.I'm not alone here on this and I do think that programs like this have resulted in a declining audience. Just look at the Norry thread and several others that are calling these folks frauds.

A large measure of C2C's decline can be ascertained by revenue not realized by their advertisers. Of course, the economy is kind of fucked up right now so disposable income has become less available as well.

More emphasis on science, archaeology/speculative history, futurists and the state of affairs with the world probably generate the largest audiences (along with Ghost to Ghost and Predictions for the coming year). The hosts need to get away from that old "lets do a pajama party" mentality.

[stevesh]

It's possible Premier is starting to head in a similar direction already. Noory's guest last night was Wells' guest three weeks ago, suggesting that the network sees the weekend shows as a 'different' program from the weekday presentations. They have the audience numbers and demographics, so it may be the audiences are sufficiently different to justify that attitude.

I'd agree with you about wanting more futurist and space travel programs and I personally would like to see more shows about the sort of back-to-the-land, self-sufficiency topics which used to be covered (very successfully) by Mother Earth News magazine. I think that would provide C2C with a new direction that would gain them new listeners.

I lost interest in the 'paranormal' stuff years ago, and even Ghost To Ghost has become a boring, over-produced waste of air time.

It's also possible that some of the more interesting possible guests in the scientific arena won't appear as long as Simple George is the host.

[Zircon]

Yes Steve, I can see an interest in "self sufficiency" these days. The C2C crowd is one of those that tries to look around the corner from time to time. With many suggesting an impending collapse of our society, being self sufficient would be a good thing to work on. I am supposing this is what you mean at least in part.

And I agree with what you point it out with the weekend programming being "different". George Knapp isn't all that bad as you can sense he is manning the controls and just doesn't sit back with a big "Wow!" on his face (presumed) like Noory.

Yes, the paranormal stuff is old. The same old same old with new gadgets (EVP for example) being used to investigate. I'm a bit amazed that so many "ghost" programs can be found on cable on a nightly basis. And so many of them are complete bullshit. Visual fluff for the brain dead IMO.

There have been some well grounded folks on as guests who speak of the global situation and where we're all headed. Some good investigators into NDEs, the soul and how it relates to plain biochemistry. The UFO stuff is getting stale even though I'll be sure to listen when Davenport is on.

[stevesh]

Yup, self-sufficiency as regards possible future problems, but also as a way as easing the pressures on the Earth. I don't buy into the whole political Climate Change thing, but anybody who thinks seven billion people and their technology can exist on a planet this size without affecting its climate is delusional.

Different strokes. UFO's are my least favorite C2C topic and Davenport my least favorite UFO guest.

My beef with the paranormal stuff probably stems from my near-complete lack of belief in the religious and (as Noory would say) 'speerchul'. I just think C2C's time would be better spent on more practical topics, including a lot of science.

[Zircon]

I can see your point about spending more time and trending towards things that can be observed and measured. Makes for a more informed audience. What are your feelings on alternate history/acheo/anthro stuff?

[stevesh]

I like a lot of it. Graham Hancock is one of my favorite guests, as is Michael Tellinger. There has to be some actual archaeology to their investigations though.

I also wouldn't mind hearing a lot more of the journalistic guests, like Linda Howe (despite her atonal delivery and God-awful voice) and, if we need UFO stuff, Richard Dolan.

The whole 'channeling' thing is a complete crock to me, from the insane Nancy Lieder (Zeta Talk) to the recent guest talking about the Urantia Book. My main complaint about those people is the self-hatred they insist on displaying toward the human race (reinforced often by Simple George's complaints that we're all 'eeevul' and negative) with their space-brothers-are-coming-to-show-us-the-way-to-enlightenment bullshit. There's no reason to believe any particular ET civilization would be older than ours, or if older, any more advanced ethically.

[PB the Deplorable]

There are new and interesting discoveries in areas like science and archaeology all the time, sometimes daily.  Noory doesn't even try to keep the show current.

I like the idea of different topics for certain nights, maybe a couple nights could be reservd for topics that don't fit into the other categories.

Now if we could get different hosts for each night, that would be something.  They could even give George one night a week for a round table reading from his stack of cue cards.

[stevesh]

They could even give George one night a week for a round table reading from his stack of cue cards.

Let's give Simple George and his index cards Friday night Open Lines, where he can do the least damage, and the saps who love him can call in for all four hours and jabber on about themselves.

[Zircon]

Steve and Paper, enjoyable posts. Yes, that was an idea I was suggesting myself about reserving this night or that for specific topics.

The recent find in Turkey was refreshing. I've listened to it twice on Insider. Rarely stay awake for the live program as it really hoses my sleep cycle if I do. In the past when Sitchin was on I really got into it. Basically, almost a complete rewrite of the history of our origins and specifics about our holy books. Few know that Genesis is actually Sumerian religion rewritten.

Anyway, more science is better. Steve, I'll remember those names you mentioned and look to get more information on their works and efforts. Paper, I think they have what three or four hosts. Not sure who to add since some only do weekends and not every one even then.

[PB the Deplorable]

... Not sure who to add since some only do weekends and not every one even then.

Every year there are retired athletes and coaches who go into broadcasting the games.  Most of these guys aren't terrific at first, but by mid-season they are usually at least decent at providing commentary and insights to the games.  Some end up being great behind the mic.

I'm so tired of George Noory.  He is terrible and obvoiusly isn't ever going to get better.  Ian also became tiresome long ago.  The only shows I've listened to in the past few years are the two recent shows George Knapp did on disappearances and the Golbeki Tepe show Linda basically did with George sitting there mostly silent.  I found all of them on YouTube.

I think Coast could get some people that don't necessarily have broadcasting experience to host shows in their field of expertise - scientists, historians, people interested in alternative or speculative history, maybe some past guests or others with interest paranornal topics, lots of other potential hosts and topics.  I think after being a long time guest on Coast, Michio Kaku has his own show, there must be others with interests in a variety of fields that would welcome a chance to come in and host one or more shows.  Some would be better than others, some would improve over time.  It would be refreshing to have people in that were at least trying (unlike GN), or weren't so comfortable as to get in their own way with their own cleverness and need to control (like, say, IP).

Is it really that hard to have a few good questions lined up, listen to the guest and follow up when they say something interesting?  When they truly run out of conversation, go to the phones?

This show was such a treasure, it would be nice if it could be kept around in some form that was worth listening to.

[Zircon]

Well, it could work but we'd need to get some people who would commit to a long term gig. I know you might have a problem with this but we'd need to extend offers to Hoagland for at least a once per week broadcast. I used to like Whitley Streiber (sp?) but he is more into UFOs and trending spirituality in my view. He is arrogant and didn't hold much respect for callers when hosting before.

There are some regular guests but I've heard a lot of negatives on those who come back again and again other than Kaku. Perhaps George Knapp might be interested in becoming the driver?

[ziznak]

Hoaxboy and Streiber need to GOOO!  I think the best thing C2C can do at this point is to DROP Snoory and replace him with ANYBODY that ISN'T Snoory... or Hoaxboy... or Witley... LMH can stay for sentimental reasons.  Knapp would be a good host... I still like Ian and yes I would even take Wells every night instead of Noory.  He can have the open lines I liked that idea... I'm normally not listening Friday anyway.

[Rasputin]

Unless a host steps up and demands creative control like Art had, I don't see Coast changing anytime soon. I do like the ideas about different topics every night though.

I actually like Whitley Streiber, and find him to be quite intelligent, and the same goes for Linda Howe. I'm a streamlink member, but only listen to one full show a week...maybe, and that's usually when Knapp is hosting. I will listen to GN if its a good guest like Shock, Hancock, or other accredited experts are on, but refuse to listen at all to Alex Jones, Steve Quayle, and the other assorted cast of Koolaid drinking negative fear porn pushing morons and hacks.
It may a take a real threat to Premrads bottom line like losing a few more affiliates and advertising dollars before we see real change.
I always skip open lines...the callers are either complete idiots, or religious nuts that are allowed to keep talking for several minutes. You might get one or two decent calls, but most are complete shit.

I'd like to hear more Rob Simone, as he seems to be a solid interviewer, unlike Noory. The last time he was on, he tried to get some real answers out of Hoagland, and did not just let him spew his usual unchallenged BS. Maybe that's why he's not been on in a few months.

[Sardondi]

This is the old "science vs. trash" discussion we've had before, and I'm not sure there's an answer.

I'm sorry to say my interests are 180° from the hard-news/science guys. My days are already immersed in politics, current events and science news items. After midnight its time for my brain to rest, and I ordinarily do not want to be listening to Higgs boson hard news. Besides, George Noory is the last person from whom I would seek an accurate recounting of important issues.

I came to C2C for alt trash, and I'm happiest when C2C gives me ghosts, ghoulies, cryptids, UFOs, giants, OOPAs, NDEs and even Lionel Fucking Fanthorpe and the same story about Springheel Jack for his 17th straight appearance. All that stuff which respectable figures in their fields usually turn their noses up at. I guess I'm best described as generally preferring C2C to be like science fiction rather than the synchronicity. I'd love for C2C to stop trying to attain respectability, and instead accept that as brain food it is the nutritional equivalent of a ¾-pounder with cheese.

But I recall that C2C has never really been 100% trash, either - there have always been some fairly legitimate, even respectable, guests among the usual lineup of fortune tellers, tax protesters, crypto-skinheads and 3-card-monte dealers. For every 3 appearances by Alex Jones, Glynnis McCants and Richard C. Hoagland, we might get one by Michio Kaku or Neil deGrasse Tyson.

So I don't know what is to be done. My gut feeling is that the trash listeners probably outnumber the hard-newsers by maybe 60-40, but not much more than that. I wouldn't think a change is coming...unless Prem knows a whole lot more than I give them credit for. Of course, in keeping with their recent history, they could make an astoundingly stupid decision which no one sees coming....

[Zircon]

Rob Simone would be an excellent choice then. I don' t know how many millions of times I've heard "hyper dimensional physics" out of Hoagland's mouth or his fascination with 19.5 degrees. The guy can probably find the face of Jesus in spilled spaghetti sauce on the floor. I'd like to see a conversation between Hoagland and Kaku concerning hyper-dimensional anything ... EXACTLY!, that is why you won't see it happen.

I hear over and over again how much dislike there is for Alex Jones. I realize his topics are not pleasant to hear. So is it the man or the subject matter? We all know both Noory and Wells have folks on that discuss the NWO, international banking, global political workings and our enslavement via the fed and our government. Some of the best programs I've heard deal with this subject matter.  I appear to be an exception around here but Alex Jones is worth the listen in my opinion.

[Zircon]

Sardondi, I like your honesty. At least I'll know one person who'll be happy when Woxdorf the Warlock or another EVP seeker with a cassette tape recorder is wondering around in a graveyard and they're telling us how mother earth wants us to dance around a tree in the middle of the forest or some garbled nonsense is telling us to "get out".

[Rasputin]

Now then...Alex Jones. This guy in my opinion is nothing short of a carnival barker of the worst sort. I'm of the opinion that he is a disinformation agent at worst, or someone who found a fringe niche that he can make money off of at best. I'm basing my opinion on personal observation, and after a friend urged me to check him out, so I listened to him for several months. My paranoia went through the roof, and I was always on edge. He has been saying the same exact shit for over a decade now, and while some of what he says does have a ring of truth to it, his bullshit conclusions are always the same, namely that its a vast Government conspiracy that is running like clockwork, and the powers that be want to throw "patriots" in concentration camps. Frankly, the Government can't even maintain the fucking infrastructure anymore, so I have serious doubts they will execute order 66 and the Military into action against the American public. Look up these so called "concentration camp" sites, and you begin to see just how full of shit this guy is. Two of them in my State, Camp Perry, and Ravenna Arsenal are on this list, and I'm here to tell you there is NO WAY these places are what some claim. For starters, Camp Perry hosts the National Matches, and is a mecca for shooters across the country. Trying to build a secret concentration camp on this site is total bullshit. I've been all over Ravenna Arsenal for years training deploying Soldiers, and doing field exercises when I was still in the Military, and there is no infrastructure at all to support any of these claims.
Read some of the "stories" on Infowars, then attempt to Google the names of the authors, and you will come up with nothing. They are not reporters with any credibility what so ever, and are likely twenty something year olds repeating what they have heard or read on the internet.

Alex is constantly pushing the idea that 911 was inside job...and this has zero credibility with me. I spent twenty three years as a Combat Engineer in the Army and specialized in explosives, and I can tell you first hand that wiring buildings up of that size would take months, if not years, and involve dozens of experienced people, and literally dozens of semi trucks to move those explosives. How about the claim that flight 93 did not really crash in PA, but was diverted to Cleveland, and the passengers unloaded on a bus? Where are they now? What happened to them? Loose Change mentions this, and then moves on...bullshit. I actually saw the contrail of flight 93 do a complete 180 degree turn over north east Ohio when I fueling my truck that morning at work, so nobody on the planet can tell me the flight landed in Cleveland, because I saw with my own eyes where it went.

[Rasputin]

Sardondi, I'm more or less with you on the entertainment aspect of C2C, but I want a good host that actually asks well though out and intelligent questions. If a Hoagland or somebody else is on and making wild claims, I want a host that will ask to the point questions without busting the guests balls, but will get you thinking on your own as to the validity of the claims or subject matter being presented.

The other thing I would like to see (hear) is GN stfu about his personal beliefs and opinions. Some of what a host may or may not believe will bleed through during an interview, but I want to hear the guest talk about whatever subject he or she is speaking about, and how they arrived at their opinions or beliefs, not the host interjecting what they believe ala Ian Punnant.

There is almost no way you can hit a run every night with a show like C2C and plase all the listeners all the time, but with hosts like GN that tend to ask off the wall questions, or single word answers like "facinating", or "it sure is" it becomes quite stale and boring in my opinion.

It may be that a change of producers that do the guest bookings are in order here.

[Zircon]

Apparently I'm still in the "paranoia" stage you mentioned you found yourself in early on. I haven't listened to him for an extended period so am not in a position to weigh his assertions with proven, over time, facts. Thanks much for the information. I agree that he sees a conspiracy anywhere and everywhere he looks - and it does sell books, tapes and get viewership. Since you have personal experience (with flight 93) and are nearby two of these concentration camps, I have to give you credence as you're in a far better position than I to substantiate/verify his claims. Truly, thanks for the insight.

[Rasputin]

No problem, but I would urge you to do your own thinking as well as looking into those kind of subjects yourself with an open mind. I do believe there are conspiracies out there, but AJ is hardly the go to guy to get credible information.

[DAE]

To reply in regards to the topic of this thread.... besides the George problems being fixed, I personally would like to see two things happen:

1) Bring in additional guests on topics, instead of the usual ones.  E.g. The Numbers Lady, when there are lots more numerology experts.  (It's not my favorite topic of course, but just an example of how the same guest is often repeated.)

2) Exploring the world again of backyard or garage inventors who aren't published researchers.

As an analogy I have used before... with Art Bell it felt like entering a rare occult book store, with unique and bizarre topics.  With George Noory, it feels like the paranormal section of a mainstream bookstore, with predictable or trendy topics.

[Grimace]

This is the old "science vs. trash" discussion we've had before, and I'm not sure there's an answer.

I'm sorry to say my interests are 180° from the hard-news/science guys. My days are already immersed in politics, current events and science news items. After midnight its time for my brain to rest, and I ordinarily do not want to be listening to Higgs boson hard news. Besides, George Noory is the last person from whom I would seek an accurate recounting of important issues.

Although my interest isn't exactly 180 from the hard science, I certainly agree there's something relaxing and stress relieving about being just to take off one's critical thinking hat and hear a good story. Hell, that's the reason I started listening to Art in the first place. I wanted to forget reality for a little while and lay in the darkness while the saga on Mel's hole unfolded on live radio. I wanted to hear people call in saying they were the "anti-Christ." Art always made his forays into the ridiculous fun and intelligent, something Noorass falls far from.

I hear over and over again how much dislike there is for Alex Jones. I realize his topics are not pleasant to hear. So is it the man or the subject matter? We all know both Noory and Wells have folks on that discuss the NWO, international banking, global political workings and our enslavement via the fed and our government.

My take on AJ is that he's pretty spot on with about 1/3 to 1/2 of what he's talking about, but the rest is needless fear mongering. I went through a phase of listening to him somewhat regularly and its a good thing he doesn't have outstanding credibility or none of us would be posting here today, unless our FEMA internment camp offers internet access.

Back on topic, a stellar improvement to C2C now would be as a simple as giving Noory and "Tahmee" a pair of pink slips. Ideally I'd like Art back as the main host, but at this point I think any of the others (Punnett, Knapp, and yes... Wells) would be a marginal to mass improvement. I gave Noory a chance, I was patient, now I'm pretty much finished with the schmuck save for just listening to chuckle at how outrageously dim and goofy he is.

[Rasputin]

Slightly off topic, but for any member or guest who is reading this post, I offer this little opus by Alex Jones on the tragedy that took place in Colorado today:
'Dark Knight Rises' MASSACRE: PLOT to pass UN GUN BAN. OBAMA to Sign Treaty next week

This asshat managed to work several conspiracys into this rant, and my guess is that he will spewing this bullshit all over C2C within days. Although everyone is entitled to their own personal opinions, if your listening to this guy, you need to take a step back, and THINK about it.

When, not if, Alex goes on C2C with this shit, lie to the call screeners, and let him have it but good. People like him cannot be allowed to get away with this shit without being called out for what they are...fear porn tin foil hat wearing idiots.

[Zircon]

Slightly off topic, but for any member or guest who is reading this post, I offer this little opus by Alex Jones on the tragedy that took place in Colorado today:
'Dark Knight Rises' MASSACRE: PLOT to pass UN GUN BAN. OBAMA to Sign Treaty next week

This asshat managed to work several conspiracys into this rant, and my guess is that he will spewing this bullshit all over C2C within days. Although everyone is entitled to their own personal opinions, if your listening to this guy, you need to take a step back, and THINK about it.

When, not if, Alex goes on C2C with this shit, lie to the call screeners, and let him have it but good. People like him cannot be allowed to get away with this shit without being called out for what they are...fear porn tin foil hat wearing idiots.

The few elements of truth I see in his report center on gun rights. I can't imagine that anti-Second Amendment advocates will hoist this incident up in another attempt to sack gun rights advocates.

Even the NRA and people who strongly believe in guns rights are appalled by this event. It makes them look bad. What they advocate isn't bad. Look at that 71 year old man at the internet cafe who shot two perpetrators in an armed robbery attempt. He had a conceal and carry permit and it may have aided in not allowing potential bloodshed.

Alex Jones is way over the top with the potential mind control with Columbine and now Aurora. There is enough gun violence going to on coincide with any number of unpopular things congress is attempting to inflict upon the American people. He asked if Holmes may have been role playing as Bane. I think it is obvious he was. Only he decided to take the fantasy out of it and make it real. Clearly, this brilliant student is really messed up. He planned this meticulously so knew exactly what he was doing. Mind control? Yep, too many fucking comics. Geez! This guy needed to get laid really bad.

[3OctaveFart]

I think telling Hoagland to get lost would do wonders for the show.

[Zircon]

But then we'd never hear him utter, "Hyperdimensional Physics", "Cydonia" or that magic number, "19.5" ever again. Oh darn.

[3OctaveFart]

Hoagland is exactly the kind of kook pseudoscientist that hurts the show's credibility. At least the batshit insane have an entertainment factor. He brings neither wit, nor humor, nor insight, nor invention. Hoagland is just an abuser of science and a practitioner of an aggressively bad brand of science.

[ShayP]

Hoagland is exactly the kind of kook pseudoscientist that hurts the show's credibility. At least the batshit insane have an entertainment factor. He brings neither wit, nor humor, nor insight, nor invention. Hoagland is just an abuser of science and a practitioner of an aggressively bad brand of science.

Yes to this.   

In addition to being a douche nozzle, Hoagland is also a jagoff.  just lettin' y'all know. 

[Rasputin]

I sure hope someone from PremRad is reading through this thread, as there are some good ideas here. Its one thing to bitch about which way the show is heading, but its quite another to at least try to offer opinions about ways to improve it.

C2C needs to get back on track, or its going to keep sliding down the toilet until it dies off completely. If there was another show of this type, I'd be listening, but unless I've missed something, there is nothing else.

[ziznak]

Hoagland is exactly the kind of kook pseudoscientist that hurts the show's credibility. At least the batshit insane have an entertainment factor. He brings neither wit, nor humor, nor insight, nor invention. Hoagland is just an abuser of science and a practitioner of an aggressively bad brand of science.

Its not science please don't call it science... the man is sick and we just have to watch it...thats whats so sad.