Art Bell

[K_Dubb]

Yes, i'mvery dishonest and have proven myself as such.

back on topic. Why did Art bell lie about the charges of rape/kidnapping when there was no reason to lie? Or are the documents in the video fabricated? If they are fabricated why has Art bell done nothing to correct the record.

he wanted my information for daring to bring the subject up but never did anything to ted gunderson who actually got the legal Documents and made the videpoI referred to.

Since my honesty is being laughed at whats your thoughts on that? Are you HOWLING with laughter?

I knew you couldn't last a day without bringing it up again.  You are malicious at best and prurient at worst.

[DarKPenguiN]

I knew you couldn't last a day without bringing it up again.  You are malicious at best and prurient at worst.

Answer the question.

I showed a lie. The lie I brought up was so egregious that Art flipped his shit. Why didnt Art have the record corrected, video pulled and ted Gunderson sued for fabricating legal documents and slander?

If you cannot answer the question- Thats fine.

-If this is such a taboo topic why was it ever made public to begin with and why does the story Art gave not match the documents? Lying about something that that is sicker than bringing up the question as to why the story and documents dont seem to match.

Then the lie stands.

[Meister_000]

. . . you guys blame the Trolls and I readily Admit I can be an Asshole and dont expect to make any friends here . . .

You can do better than that !

[PB the Deplorable]

So you lied to show a purported "lie".
my new name for you is liar*boy
l*b, you're a troll.
Oh, and a liar.
Congrats, liar.
Get a "lie'f".

[Jackstar]

Then the lie stands.

Oh, bravo.

[Yorkshire pud]

Morning all.

An objective observation: I don't condone the unnecessary digging up of AB's son's past to be used against him even if it is in the public domain, but I have noted a paradox, if I may;

Several posters including myself have outlined how and why they believe the 'stalker' story has no foundation, not least of all because AB's behaviour about it is completely at odds with the display of 'terror' he and his family have endured. Add in the apparent indifference of the local police and press and it makes it appear either over reaction and embellishment of something mundane (possibly even an ND of a firearm) at best, or totally fabricated to explain his desire to no longer broadcast-which needs no further explanation other than 'I quit because I want to, deal with it'

But what has made this more intriguing is the quite angry response to penguin's postings. It was barely contained primal rage- which I can understand (the fact it's public knowledge is immaterial).

Why no rage at the police for not taking him seriously? Why no pleas for assistance in tracking his alleged stalker? Why no reports from the neighbour who started the ball rolling?

Anyone else think it a strange dichotomy?

[yoego]

Yes, i'mvery dishonest

nahw, just trolling the troll.
Fire with fire, you heard Jackstar.
I REALLY DON'T CARE.

[DarKPenguiN]

Oh, bravo.

Can you explain why Art lied about something so horrible?

If Art told the truth why doesnt it match thelegal docs? If ted gunderson lied why wasnt he sued?

Its easier to just pretend this isnt valid because it doesnt make the believers look too sharp for believing everything Art says.

[DarKPenguiN]

nahw, just trolling the troll.
Fire with fire, you heard Jackstar.
I REALLY DON'T CARE.

THAT, I can appreciate 

[CRM 114]

This is like watching two feeble drunk assed old hobos fighting over a cigarette butt.

[K_Dubb]

Answer the question.

Go to hell.

[PB the Deplorable]

Morning all.

An objective observation: I don't condone the unnecessary digging up of AB's son's past to be used against him even if it is in the public domain, but I have noted a paradox, if I may;

Several posters including myself have outlined how and why they believe the 'stalker' story has no foundation, not " of all because AB's behaviour about it is completely at odds with the display of 'terror' he and his family have endured. Add in the apparent indifference of the local police and press and it makes it appear either over reaction and embellishment of something mundane (possibly even an ND of a firearm) at best, or totally fabricated to explain his desire to no longer broadcast-which needs no further explanation other than 'I quit because I want to, deal with it'

But what has made this more intriguing is the quite angry response to penguin's postings. It was barely contained primal rage- which I can understand (the fact it's public knowledge is immaterial).

Why no rage at the police for not taking him seriously? Why no pleas for assistance in tracking his alleged stalker? Why no reports from the neighbour who started the ball rolling?

Anyone else think it a strange dichotomy?

Oh pish, Art was no doubt scouring the BLM land out back for stalker footprints in the snow right after taking photos and putting everyone to bed.

[akwilly]

Morning all.

An objective observation: I don't condone the unnecessary digging up of AB's son's past to be used against him even if it is in the public domain, but I have noted a paradox, if I may;

Several posters including myself have outlined how and why they believe the 'stalker' story has no foundation, not least of all because AB's behaviour about it is completely at odds with the display of 'terror' he and his family have endured. Add in the apparent indifference of the local police and press and it makes it appear either over reaction and embellishment of something mundane (possibly even an ND of a firearm) at best, or totally fabricated to explain his desire to no longer broadcast-which needs no further explanation other than 'I quit because I want to, deal with it'

But what has made this more intriguing is the quite angry response to penguin's postings. It was barely contained primal rage- which I can understand (the fact it's public knowledge is immaterial).

Why no rage at the police for not taking him seriously? Why no pleas for assistance in tracking his alleged stalker? Why no reports from the neighbour who started the ball rolling?

Anyone else think it a strange dichotomy?

yes

[DarKPenguiN]

Go to hell.

So, you cant answer the question? because you see I'm correct and your little mind cannot bear to admit your hero has lied about something so sick. So you blame me because its easier.

Or maybe you can answer the question and just refuse to?

C'mon I'm really trying to understand this. Art was quick to want to come after me but evidently was silent as fuck about the person who posted the legal documents and didnt do a damn thing to them. I think he knew he had no case against Gunderson but felt I would be easy to scare . If thats not the case please help me understand this.

[Yorkshire pud]

This is like watching two feeble drunk assed old hobos fighting over a cigarette butt.

That can be such fun.

[HumanBeing]

So, you cant answer the question? because you see I'm correct and your little mind cannot bear to admit your hero has lied about something so sick. So you blame me because its easier.

Or maybe you can answer the question and just refuse to?

C'mon I'm really trying to understand this. Art was quick to want to come after me but evidently was silent as fuck about the person who posted the legal documents and didnt do a damn thing to them. I think he knew he had no case against Gunderson but felt I would be easy to scare . If thats not the case please help me understand this.

[K_Dubb]

Morning all.

An objective observation: I don't condone the unnecessary digging up of AB's son's past to be used against him even if it is in the public domain, but I have noted a paradox, if I may;

Several posters including myself have outlined how and why they believe the 'stalker' story has no foundation, not least of all because AB's behaviour about it is completely at odds with the display of 'terror' he and his family have endured. Add in the apparent indifference of the local police and press and it makes it appear either over reaction and embellishment of something mundane (possibly even an ND of a firearm) at best, or totally fabricated to explain his desire to no longer broadcast-which needs no further explanation other than 'I quit because I want to, deal with it'

But what has made this more intriguing is the quite angry response to penguin's postings. It was barely contained primal rage- which I can understand (the fact it's public knowledge is immaterial).

Why no rage at the police for not taking him seriously? Why no pleas for assistance in tracking his alleged stalker? Why no reports from the neighbour who started the ball rolling?

Anyone else think it a strange dichotomy?

Well, I can explain at least my anger.  I remember Art talking about the incident when it happened years ago.  I've never been one of those silly people who tries to contact celebrities but his story moved me to send him, for the only time in my life, some stupid, insipid, sentimental email supporting him.  His grief was so palpable it felt like it happened to a family member.  It's a different thing altogether from what's happening now.

[Yorkshire pud]

Well, I can explain at least my anger.  I remember Art talking about the incident when it happened years ago.  I've never been one of those silly people who tries to contact celebrities but his story moved me to send him, for the only time in my life, some stupid, insipid, sentimental email supporting him.  His grief was so palpable it felt like it happened to a family member.  It's a different thing altogether from what's happening now.

Yes I completely understand the rage; I'm a father and legal or not my initial and overriding feeling would be that the adult in question would be praying the police find him before I did; I completely understand that. I can't imagine how it must have felt.

That however leaves the here and now (or very recent) . He has a family who I expect he feels the same primal love for, and would exercise anything (and with his considerable resources he can afford them) to firstly protect his family, and secondly find and apprehend the alleged stalker/ assassin (terrorist). I know I would.

[DarKPenguiN]

Well, I can explain at least my anger.  I remember Art talking about the incident when it happened years ago.  I've never been one of those silly people who tries to contact celebrities but his story moved me to send him, for the only time in my life, some stupid, insipid, sentimental email supporting him.  His grief was so palpable it felt like it happened to a family member.  It's a different thing altogether from what's happening now.

I heard the same, and it was totally heartbreaking.

Thats why I couldnt believe it when I came across that video and saws the legal documents do not seem to agree with Arts version of events.

So either the documents are forged and Art decided not to worry about forged documents and videos being made about the subject that give a differing account OR heartstrings were played for whatever reason I cannot fathom.

Rather than shooting the messenger for daring to bring upo whats in the public record and how it does not match the story Art voluntarily shared with millions of listeners- Why not ask why the records and Arts story are so vastly different. maybe theres a reason, maybe Gunderson forged the documents and lied- But Art is pretty quick to threaten and sue and he didnt do anything to gunderson for making the video, producing the record and pointing out the lie.

Forget about the "never question" because its sensitive. thats how we end up with false rape cases and media trials like dudke lacross (dont question, just believe) and I didnt go digging for this stuff at courthouses to prove Art was lying. It never crossed my mind. However, after watching the video and seeing the documents I am faced with what I see as a clear lie over something really sick to pull heartstrings.

I could be wrong- But nobody is telling is why.

I'm being called out for even bringing it up but nobody is asking why there is such a discrepancy to begin with and no defamation/slander suits for the person who did go digging at courthouses.

I brought it up because I was told 'Art never lies" and I think this shows some major truth stretching. Its sicker to lie or truth stretch something like this than to bring it up and ask questions imho.

[Jackstar]

Thats why I couldnt believe it when I came across that video and saws the legal documents do not seem to agree with Arts version of events.

Your ability to analyze the law while showing absolutely no evidence of personal literacy is truly ennuinizing.

[MV/Liberace!]

It'll get back to normal soon enough.

Let me give you insight from a trolls perspective. The reason you guys have been trolled so hard is because of the rabid fan base (rabid fans make prime trolling ) and the fact that Art provided the ammunition by quitting again with another story that doesnt add up. YOU may say it adds up, but most discriminating persons not effected by fanhood looking over the last decade of bells carreer can see there that shit just does not add up...Again.

I havnt trolled here in over 2 years (last Art bell quit) and then got bored and left and so did the other trolls , i'm guessing. Shit gets played out after awhile - The reason I came back (and the influx of trolls) is that Art gave us the reason by repeating his patterns . Were there a bunch of trolls before Art quit? Serious question because I was busy trolling other sites at the time until I found out about this.

you guys blame the trolls and I readily admit I can be an asshole and dont expect to make any friends here- But I was gone until Art gave me a reason to come back. And (so you know) I swear to god that if Art had just quit I would have never come here- it was the "story" that allowed this to happen.

take a scenario. Art says "Guys, I'm not feeling it anymore. i'm going to retire. Thanks for the support. blah..blah..." there isnt much material to work with. I promise I would never have came here and the few trolls you may have gottten wouldnt have had a leg to stand on and would have been run off.

BUT- The "story" creates a divide within an already rabid fanbase that plays to the strength of the trolls.Then you have people on one side (hes lying) and people on the other (hes not) and trolls instigating the whole thing. Without the story Art provided (which has too many holes in it) this would have died out very quickly.

Then Art does the dumbest thingh he could do- feeds the trolls. threatens to get my identity and ramps shit waaaaaaaay up. I would have gotten bored in a couple more days anyhow until that point. fact is, this wholw thing could have been escalating further still except for the fact some guy with a huge heart tried giving me shit to leave Art alone and that made me feel really sad and then Art exited- meaning that at this level (assuming things dont get ramped up again) this will all be played out soon-ish.

The trolling opportunities here are/were fabulous because of the way it all played out. this was brought on from Art and Art alone and exasperated by the fans who refused to question anything.

trolls are a reality. Everyone has them. but when they are fed ridiculous amounts of ammo with a rabid fanbase of white knights - its a given that you have the makings of a flame war and you will attract more trolls.

You guys will have your site back the way it was soon enough since this will probably get boring really quick now. Or maybe not. But its not the trolls who will decide that, its you guys.

IDK, just trying to give some honest perspective.

Man. Scrooooooooll-de-scroll-de-scroll.

[MV/Liberace!]

Glad I wasted your time typing that wall Dipshit.

Some proofreading time probably went into it, too.

[Jackstar]

daring to bring upo

Seriously, I should just retire. Somebody bring me a fucking... whatever.

[DarKPenguiN]

Man. Scrooooooooll-de-scroll-de-scroll.

[K_Dubb]

Yes I completely understand the rage; I'm a father and legal or not my initial and overriding feeling would be that the adult in question would be praying the police find him before I did; I completely understand that. I can't imagine how it must have felt.

That however leaves the here and now (or very recent) . He has a family who I expect he feels the same primal love for, and would exercise anything (and with his considerable resources he can afford them) to firstly protect his family, and secondly find and apprehend the alleged stalker/ assassin (terrorist). I know I would.

Yeah there's stuff I don't understand either, but I'm not going to second-guess the guy ostensibly under fire.  He's got to deal with that himself.

[DarKPenguiN]

Some proofreading time probably went into it, too.

My heart and soul went into that post. I didnt just write it, I gave birth to it. =P

[Jackstar]

Some proofreading time probably went into it, too.

Settle down, Beavis.

[Yorkshire pud]

Seriously, I should just retire. Somebody bring me a fucking... whatever.

Retiring is good. Just don't quit yet.

[Yorkshire pud]

My heart and soul went into that post. I didnt just write it, I gave birth to it. =P

Baby is the good bit, you can get rid of the placenta. Seriously.

[DarKPenguiN]

Baby is the good bit, you can get rid of the placenta. Seriously.

Do penguin babys have placenta?