Art Bell

[PaulAtreides]

They're welcome to the water. I'm in eastern Missouri and the Mississippi needs some serious draining. All it does anymore is flood its ass off because the levy system is blocking the flood plains up north. We have the opposite problem of the west, we have too much water.

I live in eastern Missouri, too.  Not a drop for that fuckwad Brownback and his Koch Brothers keepers.  In any event, estimates are that it would take 20 years to build such a pipeline and Kansas will revert to a dustbowl by then.

[paladin1991]

His bio makes him seem like an interesting guest.

Pedofile though?

http://exposinginfragard.blogspot.com/2014/02/the-case-against-michael-aquino-satanic.html

ART is probably very aware of the controversy behind Aquino.  I will listen avidly to see how this goes. 

[paladin1991]

The only part of me that doesn't want to listen is the evidence I read about him performing satanic sex acts on 3-7 year old children.

Exactly why I want to hear how ART will handle this character.

[PaulAtreides]

Well if true some need to pay more.

Art

Fake callers should at least have IQs above room temperature.

[EvB]

Nothing new here..The company I used to work for would do the same. Pretty sad they would reach out to the engineers to get us to call in because they had used all of their producers-editors up as voices. Listeners-viewers are not so gullible. I however would not participate, as it seemed somewhat wrong. I worked for one of the BIG three for a lot of years.

I'd get a kick out of this job.  I'd do it in a heartbeat.  Wrong?  Well, i see your point but it's entertainment after all - the lines blur.  Art DOES have actor-called, even if he doesn't pay them. They call, of their own accord to do their 'schtick.' JC is a prime example. He uses open lines like 'open mic' nite at the stand-up club. Nothing will make me believe that guy (funny as he is) is the real deal.

[conbrio]

I've said it before, the only host worth listening to on c2cam is George Knaapp and I only ever put it on now is on a Sunday to see if he is hosting. The last time snoory was up here in Vancouver they were giving tickets away.

[The General]

Yet another, I recall discussing this a few months back:  http://gawker.com/5779701/your-favorite-wacky-morning-radio-show-is-a-festival-of-lies  Now you're going to tell me Slash isn't real, right?

I still think it's a wig.

[CornyCrow]

I'd get a kick out of this job.  I'd do it in a heartbeat.  Wrong?  Well, i see your point but it's entertainment after all - the lines blur.  Art DOES have actor-called, even if he doesn't pay them. They call, of their own accord to do their 'schtick.' JC is a prime example. He uses open lines like 'open mic' nite at the stand-up club. Nothing will make me believe that guy (funny as he is) is the real deal.

I do not assume that callers are legit.  They are people and many have their own agenda.  As long as they are entertaining and informative, I'm happy.  To me it's different when political talk shows hire hacks.  There are people who trust these shows to sort out truth and who only listen to one point of view.  It's hard, when you work all day, to listen to enough programs to get a balanced concept of a topic.  Things were much better with the equal time ammendment (or whatever that thing was called). At least a show had to give SOME token representation to another perspective. 

[SciFiAuthor]

I live in eastern Missouri, too.  Not a drop for that fuckwad Brownback and his Koch Brothers keepers.  In any event, estimates are that it would take 20 years to build such a pipeline and Kansas will revert to a dustbowl by then.

Yeah, but Kansas is one giant depopulated agricultural field. We sort of need the food. I'm no fan of corporate farms, but I also don't want to raise food prices as it turns into a dustbowl. We have the water, all it's done is rain this year, so why not? I don't want to pay for it, but if the people of Kansas (all 5 of them) want to fund it, go for it. Drain the Missouri river too, it's at flood stage right now as well.

[SciFiAuthor]

There have been animals in the past that have gone extinct by reproducing more than their environment can hold.  And, yes, the hope is that as we become less agrarian there is less of an economic need for children, in fact, kids become a liability, so we stop having them.

Animals aren't intelligent and cannot solve problems. We can. If motivated we can go to the moon, a bear cannot. Kids already are a liability in every wealthy society on the planet. In a society like ours it takes roughly a million dollars to raise a kid and put them through college, thus the stable replacement only birth rate of the US. As it gets more expensive, such as in Europe, you begin to see negative birth rates and eventually apocalyptic birth drops as in Japan. This will happen to China and India too as their economies grow.

Bill Gates once made that claim, that as populations did well, and as women held jobs, there would be fewer offsprintg.  He's since retracted on that comment, calling for intervention.

Intervention translates to eugenics, such as India's failed program of population control. They basically targeted the poor women of India and required sterilization for all sorts of things, even licenses to operate rickshaws required sterilization. All at the behest of western governments that held aid money hostage in return for population control. It was one of the great crimes against humanity of the 20th century, despite the media ignoring it. No need for intervention, populations naturally control themselves in a technological civilization and we're nowhere close to exceeding the carrying capacity of the planet.

Some scary claims are actually true warnings.  If you look at the environment and those who interact with it, you find problems almost everywhere we roam.  We are a plague on the face of the planet.  I think we are overly populated when we are living in areas that might have once been considered not suitable.  In the US the government often offers a cushion for those who live in risky areas, that and insurance companies.  We also offer a cushion for people who have children in spite of shaky jobs or even those who have no jobs.  If we pulled back such perks maybe people would use a bit of wisdom.

We've been through this before nearly 200 years ago when Thomas Malthus wrote a book predicting mass starvation--better known as a Malthusian correction--that everyone went apeshit over. It never happened, but not before he scared the shit out of people and affected public policy. The Irish potato famine, for example, wouldn't have happened if the British government had sent food. They didn't send food because the PM at the time felt that Ireland was simply overpopulated and needed a correction. Malthus failed to account for technological advancement in food transportation and agriculture and disaster was averted. We're in a similar boat. We're in no danger, many of Ehrlich's predictions have already shown themselves to be erroneous since he started the population scare 40 years ago.

Yes, you are right.  Our economic model requires a constantly expanding consumer and tax base. 

Now this is a problem. Automation over the next 50 years is going to put the human race out of work, meaning that our economic model is going to go obsolete. It probably already is obsolete. We'll come up with something new, I'm sure, but it's probably going to be painful as the old system clings on for dear life.

We need a different form of government.  You can see all these 'world' issues pushing us into the feared 'One World Government' eventually, can't you?  We are in a situation in which, like it or not,  cooperation is going to be essential.

Well, we'll probably become some sort of quasi-libertarian technocracy rather than a one world government. People just don't want it, and it's a terrible idea. The more local you can make government the better it works. The rise of superintelligence may actually allow a true democracy to  work for the first time in human history.

This stripping of rain forests, over fishing, pollution of the atmosphere, is not a joke and not to be taken lightly.  Go to your nearest college and ask some of the science teachers there what THEIR opinions are.  This environmental issue rocks a lot of economic boats.  There is big money hiring people to convince us that the facts lie.

Depends on which teachers you ask. If you ask the environmental scientists, you'll get a scary answer. If you go into the physics or engineering departments you'll get solutions to the problems.

[PB the Deplorable]

... In a society like ours it takes roughly a million dollars to raise a kid and put them through college...

I've seen stats like this for at least a couple of decades now.  Like most statistics we're given, no one questions it

I promise you I didn't spend $1 million apiece raising kids, not even close.  And I don't know anyone who has.

[nika01]

Animals aren't intelligent and cannot solve problems. We can. If motivated we can go to the moon, a bear cannot. Kids already are a liability in every wealthy society on the planet. In a society like ours it takes roughly a million dollars to raise a kid and put them through college, thus the stable replacement only birth rate of the US. As it gets more expensive, such as in Europe, you begin to see negative birth rates and eventually apocalyptic birth drops as in Japan. This will happen to China and India too as their economies grow.

Intervention translates to eugenics, such as India's failed program of population control. They basically targeted the poor women of India and required sterilization for all sorts of things, even licenses to operate rickshaws required sterilization. All at the behest of western governments that held aid money hostage in return for population control. It was one of the great crimes against humanity of the 20th century, despite the media ignoring it. No need for intervention, populations naturally control themselves in a technological civilization and we're nowhere close to exceeding the carrying capacity of the planet.

We've been through this before nearly 200 years ago when Thomas Malthus wrote a book predicting mass starvation--better known as a Malthusian correction--that everyone went apeshit over. It never happened, but not before he scared the shit out of people and affected public policy. The Irish potato famine, for example, wouldn't have happened if the British government had sent food. They didn't send food because the PM at the time felt that Ireland was simply overpopulated and needed a correction. Malthus failed to account for technological advancement in food transportation and agriculture and disaster was averted. We're in a similar boat. We're in no danger, many of Ehrlich's predictions have already shown themselves to be erroneous since he started the population scare 40 years ago.

Now this is a problem. Automation over the next 50 years is going to put the human race out of work, meaning that our economic model is going to go obsolete. It probably already is obsolete. We'll come up with something new, I'm sure, but it's probably going to be painful as the old system clings on for dear life.

Well, we'll probably become some sort of quasi-libertarian technocracy rather than a one world government. People just don't want it, and it's a terrible idea. The more local you can make government the better it works. The rise of superintelligence may actually allow a true democracy to  work for the first time in human history.

Depends on which teachers you ask. If you ask the environmental scientists, you'll get a scary answer. If you go into the physics or engineering departments you'll get solutions to the problems.

. Sorry to break this to you, animals are extremely intelligent. Humans are generally too stupid and full of themselves to realize this.

[Alienprober]

Hi Folks,

I'm a "Fake Caller" for a few shows in the U.S. market. I've never call Art's show or Snoory.

In days of yore, when Radio Stations were flush with employees other than the On Air people, they would just use the Engineer or somebody else to "Goose" the show along. Like a Crank caller or a person that pretends to irritate the On Air guy.....

Art's show doesn't need fake callers, I doubt if Rush does either given the listener/subscriber population.

Peace,

The Rev X
The Rev. Mr.X
Allen ,  the one I used the most, NE USA/Boston accent, which is hard to do with a southern drawl.
BTW, if I ever call Art, I will be a real caller.

[AppealPlay]

Michael Aquino, eh?  Oof!  Satanism and (alleged) pedophilia.  This will be an interesting show.

[EvB]

Michael Aquino, eh?  Oof!  Satanism and (alleged) pedophilia.  This will be an interesting show.

okay, that's it - I will have to stay up again tonight.

[chefist]

WOW! I'm so glad to be a "Time Traveler"! Had a 2 hour drive today and it FLEW by listening to the MITD from last night that I had missed!

[NXOEED]

WOW! I'm so glad to be a "Time Traveler"! Had a 2 hour drive today and it FLEW by listening to the MITD from last night that I had missed!

Good to see you last night, buddy. Sorry I couldn't stick around longer. Let's do it again at a later date.

[TheMan WhoFell ToEarth]

I've seen stats like this for at least a couple of decades now.  Like most statistics we're given, no one questions it

I promise you I didn't spend $1 million apiece raising kids, not even close.  And I don't know anyone who has.

Didn't you upgrade their laptops, smart phones, and iPads yearly? And buy them a new car when they turned 16? Bad daddy!

[SciFiAuthor]

I've seen stats like this for at least a couple of decades now.  Like most statistics we're given, no one questions it

I promise you I didn't spend $1 million apiece raising kids, not even close.  And I don't know anyone who has.

Hell, I cost my parents 250k just for college. What do you think you spent per kid?

[SciFiAuthor]

. Sorry to break this to you, animals are extremely intelligent. Humans are generally too stupid and full of themselves to realize this.

When I see a chimpanzee build a plow and start planting seeds I'll be impressed, but until then humans are by far the most amazing thing in the universe so far as we know.

[HorrorReporter]

Tonight's guest Michael Aquino looks interesting but equally makes me want to watch police academy

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[No Quarter]

For those that are interested, the MeTV schedule shows that the Batman episode(s) with John Lear are going to be airing this Saturday night (8/1)

[chefist]

Good to see you last night, buddy. Sorry I couldn't stick around longer. Let's do it again at a later date.

Absolutely! I want to talk more about the mural!

[RoseGirl]

Well if true some need to pay more.

Art

LOL. So true.

[EvB]

Hell, I cost my parents 250k just for college. What do you think you spent per kid?

Giving kids 'advantages' is expensive. Summer camp - classes of whatever kind at whatever level - sports teams - good after-school programs - orthodontist of a kind that would have been considered primarily cosmetic when i was a kid but now everyone has to have perfect, blinding white teeth (if you need such a thing) and yes, college is pricey.  My kid had all those things.  I still don't quite see a million (he lived at home his first two years and we did state schools - but he also spent a few month in China) but maybe I'd just rather not think aobut it. 

[SaucyRossy]

Hi Folks,

I'm a "Fake Caller" for a few shows in the U.S. market. I've never call Art's show or Snoory.

In days of yore, when Radio Stations were flush with employees other than the On Air people, they would just use the Engineer or somebody else to "Goose" the show along. Like a Crank caller or a person that pretends to irritate the On Air guy.....

Art's show doesn't need fake callers, I doubt if Rush does either given the listener/subscriber population.

Peace,

The Rev X
The Rev. Mr.X
Allen ,  the one I used the most, NE USA/Boston accent, which is hard to do with a southern drawl.
BTW, if I ever call Art, I will be a real caller.

Would you be willing to go on and talk to Art about being a fake caller for other shows??
I'm sure he'll say whether he'd want that or not but I'd find that interesting.

[albrecht]

Tonight's Guest

Bio:

Michael Aquino, the author of the 2013 book MindWar, is a retired U.S. Army Lt. Colonel with a forty -year career in Political-Military Affairs, Psychological Operations, Special Forces, and Intelligence. He received the Ph.D. in Political Science from the University of California and a Master’s in Public Administration from George Washington University, and has taught as a Professor of Political Science at Golden Gate University. Within the government he is graduate of the National Defense University, the Defense Intelligence College, and the John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center. He is a decorated Vietnam veteran, and also one of the Army’s first Space Intelligence Officers. He is also well-known as Anton LaVey’s (pronounced Ann-Ton Luh-Vay) senior official in the 1966-75 Church of Satan, and thereafter as the High Priest of the successor Temple of Set.

Holy Sh*t! This should be an interesting show. That guy is creepy as heck. Beside the Phoenix, and other programs, and he writings on mind-control, I hope Art hammers him on the Presidio child sex abuse and other stuff (like the fire) that he, maybe, was associated with*. I'm sure he will deny and claim it was mass-hallucination/false-memory stuff/Im-Picked-On-Because-Im-A-Satanist, but I hope Art, and callers, go after him about it and ask about his Army discharge and what was apparently found in searches of his property. Also how he was able to keep his creepy facial hair and eyebrows while being in the military? And if he can verify that Douglas Dietrich actually worked at the Presidio and if they knew each other.

*http://www.outpost-of-freedom.com/aquino01.htm

[chefist]

Would you be willing to go on and talk to Art about being a fake caller for other shows??
I'm sure he'll say whether he'd want that or not but I'd find that interesting.

That would be interesting Rossy!

[trostol]

tonight could be interesting..there is such a huge misunderstanding about satanism and people equating it to devil worship..though i am not too sure about this Temple of Set

[CornyCrow]

Animals aren't intelligent and cannot solve problems. We can. If motivated we can go to the moon, a bear cannot. Kids already are a liability in every wealthy society on the planet. In a society like ours it takes roughly a million dollars to raise a kid and put them through college, thus the stable replacement only birth rate of the US. As it gets more expensive, such as in Europe, you begin to see negative birth rates and eventually apocalyptic birth drops as in Japan. This will happen to China and India too as their economies grow.

Intervention translates to eugenics, such as India's failed program of population control. They basically targeted the poor women of India and required sterilization for all sorts of things, even licenses to operate rickshaws required sterilization. All at the behest of western governments that held aid money hostage in return for population control. It was one of the great crimes against humanity of the 20th century, despite the media ignoring it. No need for intervention, populations naturally control themselves in a technological civilization and we're nowhere close to exceeding the carrying capacity of the planet.

We've been through this before nearly 200 years ago when Thomas Malthus wrote a book predicting mass starvation--better known as a Malthusian correction--that everyone went apeshit over. It never happened, but not before he scared the shit out of people and affected public policy. The Irish potato famine, for example, wouldn't have happened if the British government had sent food. They didn't send food because the PM at the time felt that Ireland was simply overpopulated and needed a correction. Malthus failed to account for technological advancement in food transportation and agriculture and disaster was averted. We're in a similar boat. We're in no danger, many of Ehrlich's predictions have already shown themselves to be erroneous since he started the population scare 40 years ago.

Now this is a problem. Automation over the next 50 years is going to put the human race out of work, meaning that our economic model is going to go obsolete. It probably already is obsolete. We'll come up with something new, I'm sure, but it's probably going to be painful as the old system clings on for dear life.

Well, we'll probably become some sort of quasi-libertarian technocracy rather than a one world government. People just don't want it, and it's a terrible idea. The more local you can make government the better it works. The rise of superintelligence may actually allow a true democracy to  work for the first time in human history.

Depends on which teachers you ask. If you ask the environmental scientists, you'll get a scary answer. If you go into the physics or engineering departments you'll get solutions to the problems.

Certainly, we can solve this problem.  The question is - how much and how soon? 

India's initial program, under Indira Ghandi, was giving rural men radios for being sterilized.  They started seeing real economic growth in that time, but Christians put pressure on agencies to stop the program.  By 2030 India's population will overtake that of China.

Population experts say that 80 percent of the world's strife is driven by the explosion of youth - young men not finding work, having no dowry, not being able to marry. 

The problem is that the choice we have is either to continue our present rate of growth while each of us live a lifestyle close to subsistance OR live the lifestyle we now enjoy and curb population growth.  Population alone is not the problem, but what we do in our lives is.  The very efficient means of production that saved humanity back then is what is going to kill us in the future.

Our population, at its current growth, could reach an unsustainable 27 BILLION by 2100.  Ninety-Nine point nine percent of al the species on the planet have gone extinct.  We are not exempt.  Sure, there are things we could do, but are we doing those things?