Art Bell

[Jocko Johnson]

Not only most of the world but most of the people in charge at the time came to regret having used the bomb.

Rossy, I  have never heard or saw anyone with the authority that was involved in the use of the A bomb on Japan say that they regreated it. In fact I have seen the opposite as it was a less costly way, for both the US and the Japanese to put the war to a close. Can you please tell us or point me/us to the place you saw these comments/statements?  Thx Rossy!

[Jocko Johnson]

Here, here!!! Well said Palidin!

[paladin1991]

Rossy, I  have never heard or saw anyone with the authority that was involved in the use of the A bomb on Japan say that they regreated it. In fact I have seen the opposite as it was a less costly way, for both the US and the Japanese to put the war to a close. Can you please tell us or point me/us to the place you saw these comments/statements?  Thx Rossy!

I don't mean to speak for Saucy, but I read his reply to coincide with what I was taught in High School, that our leaders regretted that the nukes had to be used.  The Japanese high command called BS on our claims and even began a military coup to keep the Emperor fm surrendering the nation.  Least, that's what the Jesuits taught me.

[SciFiAuthor]

Rossy, I  have never heard or saw anyone with the authority that was involved in the use of the A bomb on Japan say that they regreated it. In fact I have seen the opposite as it was a less costly way, for both the US and the Japanese to put the war to a close. Can you please tell us or point me/us to the place you saw these comments/statements?  Thx Rossy!

I think some of the Manhattan Project scientists voiced regret in not demonstrating the bomb over Tokyo harbor before dropping one on a city. I know Einstein did, though he was never directly involved.

[SciFiAuthor]

I don't mean to speak for Saucy, but I read his reply to coincide with what I was taught in High School, that our leaders regretted that the nukes had to be used.  The Japanese high command called BS on our claims and even began a military coup to keep the Emperor fm surrendering the nation.  Least, that's what the Jesuits taught me.

Yeah, I don't think people quite realize that by 1945 it was abundantly clear that the Japanese government was willing to fight to the very last man and then some. Any invasion of Japan would have been a war of attrition where the Japanese army would have burned their own cities and shot their own people to keep them from being captured.

Japanese society was deeply flawed in those days and an invasion would not have been pretty. Anyone that wonders if the use of the bomb was justified or not need only read about the rape of Nanking to see that it was. The Japanese were behaving like animals, and it needed to stop. We stopped it.

[GeorgieForPresident2216]

Einstein feared a ship loaded with a nuclear device would find its way into someplace like Boston's harbour.  That thought, brought to his attention by a colleague, was quite a revelation for him since he had apparently never appreciated the practical applications of his equation.  When he voiced his concerns, combined with him being a pacifist, he was apparently excluded from having anything to do with America's nuclear program.

[paladin1991]

Einstein feared a ship loaded with a nuclear device would find its way into someplace like Boston's harbour.  That thought, brought to his attention by a colleague, was quite a revelation for him since he had apparently never appreciated the practical applications of his equation.  When he voiced his concerns, combined with him being a pacifist, he was apparently excluded from having anything to do with America's nuclear program.

[GeorgieForPresident2216]

Oh you just had to quote that so I couldn't delete it for irrelevance.

[SciFiAuthor]

Einstein feared a ship loaded with a nuclear device would find its way into someplace like Boston's harbour.  That thought, brought to his attention by a colleague, was quite a revelation for him since he had apparently never appreciated the practical applications of his equation.  When he voiced his concerns, combined with him being a pacifist, he was apparently excluded from having anything to do with America's nuclear program.

Einstein seemed confused. He started out as an absolute pacifist, but then he watched the rise of Hitler and reconsidered . . . a little . . . then signed a letter with Szilard to Roosevelt suggesting the construction of the bomb but got sad when Truman actually used it because Einstein believed that Roosevelt wouldn't have. I think Einstein was a peaceful guy that just couldn't comprehend how brutal people can be to each other. 

[nbirnes]

I enjoyed your show very much last night, even though I only caught the last 20 minutes of it. I was in one of my moods and needed something to take my mind off of it. It was really comforting to hear you guys, especially in the middle of the night, when everybody's asleep and I'm up with my thoughts. Getting to talk directly to you in the chat channel was good too. When it was over, I was able to get to sleep, which is rare lately.

It's very good to hear this. It's the whole point of the show! I think, as we get older, it's nice to own the night, instead of the night owning me.

I am hoping people call in tonight, and I'm hoping the skype is in a mood to cooperate.

[Jocko Johnson]

Yeah, I don't think people quite realize that by 1945 it was abundantly clear that the Japanese government was willing to fight to the very last man and then some. Any invasion of Japan would have been a war of attrition where the Japanese army would have burned their own cities and shot their own people to keep them from being captured.

Japanese society was deeply flawed in those days and an invasion would not have been pretty. Anyone that wonders if the use of the bomb was justified or not need only read about the rape of Nanking to see that it was. The Japanese were behaving like animals, and it needed to stop. We stopped it.

Yeah, I don't think people quite realize that by 1945 it was abundantly clear that the Japanese government was willing to fight to the very last man and then some. Any invasion of Japan would have been a war of attrition where the Japanese army would have burned their own cities and shot their own people to keep them from being captured.

Japanese society was deeply flawed in those days and an invasion would not have been pretty. Anyone that wonders if the use of the bomb was justified or not need only read about the rape of Nanking to see that it was. The Japanese were behaving like animals, and it needed to stop. We stopped it.

Correct.

[MrHippie]

Is this a few DaveBots logging in under different Names and I.P.'s to hijack this thread and other threads. WW2 and Japanese war plans. Get off the Art Bell thread with this stuff.

In classic DisInfo fashion some legitimate true believers get sucked into TrollLand and engage Fat Tommy and and the PremiereRats.

When someone joins 2 months ago and has a thousand posts I smell a Fat Tommy. To be known from now on as FatBot. And his minimum wage rent-a-cop-bots that FumbleNuts Gnoory has futilely  and passive aggressively with extreme self delusion turned into a James Bondian  arch enemy plan for ...... spamming a forum ?!?


Type george noory into google and see where that leads you.
Have coke and a smile and go to open lines you big goofball.

[SciFiAuthor]

Is this a few DaveBots logging in under different Names and I.P.'s to hijack this thread and other threads. WW2 and Japanese war plans. Get off the Art Bell thread with this stuff.

In classic DisInfo fashion some legitimate true believers get sucked into TrollLand and engage Fat Tommy and and the PremiereRats.

When someone joins 2 months ago and has a thousand posts I smell a Fat Tommy. To be known from now on as FatBot. And his minimum wage rent-a-cop-bots that FumbleNuts Gnoory has futilely  and passive aggressively with extreme self delusion turned into a James Bondian  arch enemy plan for ...... spamming a forum ?!?


Type george noory into google and see where that leads you.
Have coke and a smile and go to open lines you big goofball.

Chefist a Dave bot? He hosted the freaking Gabcast last week. Threads flow around and then flow back, just how it is. Just be glad fucking Falkie isn't in here.

But, back on the blitz. I sent out a heads up on my mailing list today.

[jazmunda]

Chefist a Dave bot? He hosted the freaking Gabcast last week.

I knew there was something odd about that guy. I could smell the grease coming through the Skype line.

[Zenman]

Is this a few DaveBots logging in under different Names and I.P.'s to hijack this thread and other threads. WW2 and Japanese war plans. Get off the Art Bell thread with this stuff.

In classic DisInfo fashion some legitimate true believers get sucked into TrollLand and engage Fat Tommy and and the PremiereRats.

When someone joins 2 months ago and has a thousand posts I smell a Fat Tommy. To be known from now on as FatBot. And his minimum wage rent-a-cop-bots that FumbleNuts Gnoory has futilely  and passive aggressively with extreme self delusion turned into a James Bondian  arch enemy plan for ...... spamming a forum ?!?


Type george noory into google and see where that leads you.
Have coke and a smile and go to open lines you big goofball.

Rosegirl made a convincing argument last night on the BellaCast about Dave being a disinformation bot perhaps planted by a 3 letter agency. This being done to flood the "bandwidth" with disinfo, thus crowding out truth.

I used to dismiss the conspiratorial gov't disinfo thing. I don't so much anymore. Too many dots that line up suspiciously.

[SciFiAuthor]

I knew there was something odd about that guy. I could smell the grease coming through the Skype line.

Now you're just trying to create dissention in the ranks. Fucking MV bots.

[SaucyRossy]

Yeah I'm not gonna debate the use of nukes in this thread.


We got a blitz to promote!

[paladin1991]

Oh you just had to quote that so I couldn't delete it for irrelevance.

I got your back.

[paladin1991]

Einstein seemed confused. He started out as an absolute pacifist, but then he watched the rise of Hitler and reconsidered . . . a little . . . then signed a letter with Szilard to Roosevelt suggesting the construction of the bomb but got sad when Truman actually used it because Einstein believed that Roosevelt wouldn't have. I think Einstein was a peaceful guy that just couldn't comprehend how brutal people can be to each other.

And ppl like that need to be protected.  Bad things could happen to them.  And then who would create all the neato weapons for guys like me to play with?

[paladin1991]

Is this a few DaveBots logging in under different Names and I.P.'s to hijack this thread and other threads. WW2 and Japanese war plans. Get off the Art Bell thread with this stuff.

In classic DisInfo fashion some legitimate true believers get sucked into TrollLand and engage Fat Tommy and and the PremiereRats.

When someone joins 2 months ago and has a thousand posts I smell a Fat Tommy. To be known from now on as FatBot. And his minimum wage rent-a-cop-bots that FumbleNuts Gnoory has futilely  and passive aggressively with extreme self delusion turned into a James Bondian  arch enemy plan for ...... spamming a forum ?!?


Type george noory into google and see where that leads you.
Have coke and a smile and go to open lines you big goofball.

Eeeeh.  *shrug*  Yeah a derail.  but it's all good we're winding down,folks, we're winding down on the derail.

[RoseGirl]

Rosegirl made a convincing argument last night on the BellaCast about Dave being a disinformation bot perhaps planted by a 3 letter agency. This being done to flood the "bandwidth" with disinfo, thus crowding out truth.

I used to dismiss the conspiratorial gov't disinfo thing. I don't so much anymore. Too many dots that line up suspiciously.

You know...I always found it a bit strange that Dave was in the Navy and also in the Intelligence end of the Navy. The Navy is where much of the hidden clout is in all the 'psych-op' operations of the military, or at least that is what I have heard. And it would makes sense that C2C which, at the time, commanded millions of listeners, needed to be 'steered' by the 'powers-that-be' types.

They just needed some sort of boob to fill the seat and help turn all the fascinating information into mush. Presto! Dave gets a job.

Dunno....but it has always seemed a bit fishy to me.

[Jocko Johnson]

I think some of the Manhattan Project scientists voiced regret in not demonstrating the bomb over Tokyo harbor before dropping one on a city. I know Einstein did, though he was never directly involved.

I have also read and saw a few of the scientists involved questioned their part in, unleashing a terrible force on the world. But...but they were also, many of them from Europe and Jews. They saw and knew what the Nazis were doing and the others from Russia and eastern Europe knew what kind of guy Uncle Joe was. They picked a side they felt was the more, righteous,  not perfect but a side that if given this power wouldn't use it out right to conquear and destroy. And we didn't and don't.  So they were right in their choice of America. We never used it again and only our having them has kept the peace through "Mutually Assured Destruction"...MAD. AMERICA does not conquer, we liberate.  If anyone thinks that if the Axis won the war, of if the USSR had the a bomb and we, the USA, didn't,  that they would have not used that weapon for their hope of world dominance, then I have to disagree.

BUT... Rossy stated, "Not only most of the world but most of the people in charge at the time came to regret having used the bomb."

The people in charge,  president,  congressman, senators generals, admirals etc...not scientists or newpaper reporters authors etc.  If so please show me, not saying SciFiAuthor or Rossy are incorrect just I haven't seen it and would like to see it for myself since it is contrary to all I have read, heard, watched and have been taugh...by the Sisters of St. Joseph and by both the Jesuit, Vincentian and Franciscan brothers and priest myself.

P.S. As an aside, as one of my hobby I build military models and figuers. Have done so since I  was 9. Research and learn all the history I can of my subjects. A few years ago I was President of the local chapter of our state organization of people of like minds. The theme of our convention that year was the B-17 Flying Fortress and its effect on the war in Europe. I had a contact and was able to get Capt. Robert Morgan Commander and pilot of the famed, Memphis Belle. A finer or nicer man you would not want to meet. A true hero and gentlemen.  I had the privilege to spend 2 days and 3 nites, (and many meals those days) with him here in Chas SC at our show. (We have been lucky to have had some great guest over the yrs. Capt. Morgan, grandson of Gen. George Patton, George Patton Waters. And a large number of the Tuskegee Airman, before it was 'fashionable!' Gentlemen and great American Heros all.)
Anyway, Morgan told me a story that after VE day he was transfered to B-29 training since he had previous time in the B-29 so he was in fact assigned as an instructor to get others ready to fly the "29" against Japan for rhe final stage of the war. Well Paul Tibbets the pilot of the Enola Gay was a good friend of his. In fact I believe I remenber him telling us they they were best men at each other's weddimgs...so they were close. Morgan had hoped to get the a bomb run, but Tibbets was already in the Pacific theater and a very good pilot. Morgan was on his way there to begin ops in B-29's to continue the bombings as he said to me, "until they said Uncle!" Tibbets, he said was awed snd amazed by the bombs power, but still even more surprised that the Japanese didn't surrender at that time knowing we would do it again and again until they gave up. No one knew we only had the 2 bombs at the time. So they both agreed and knew then that it would not have been easy to invade and liberate Japan, in fact it would be an awful and bloody task for all sides. This is what Morgan told me...(a man, a vetern, a decorated US pilot), that whatever had to be done to end that war as soon as possible, with the least US and allies casualties, no matter how horrible it had to be done, because the other choices were far worse. He also said, and this was after the bombs had been dtopped, that he, like Tibbets were ready willing and able to do it as many times as it took. They were warriors. I thanked him and then told him that I believed...many people do not like warriors or care for what they think or do...but thank God we had and have such great warriors in our country to ensure we will always be free. I shook his hand and made a toast to him at the very large dinner we were about finishing up, i then thanked him for his service. Morgan being what I came to find and would describe as a humorous, joke telling, very smooth ladys man, {in his mid 70's at the time!!}...just a regular combat pilot (!), he was gracious but seemed even after all these years to still be a bit embarrassed of his fame as he looked down and simply said...your welcome, we did it for our country, for the guys who didn't come home...in the hopes we wouldn't have to do it again.
I became quick and good friends with him and his wife. We emailed and spoke at least 3,4 times a month. I greatly cherish not only his friendship and time we spent together but also the items he signed and gave me...his book, a hat, pictures etc. Until a few years later when my friend the commanding pilot, Capt/ then Robert Morgan, USAAC/USAF of the Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress, the memphis belle, the first plane and crew to complete 25 missions in Europe during WWII, was injured in a fall, a silly accident tripping over a curb at an airport, striking his head on the curb and sustaining injuries that took his life.
He and many like him just did their duty. Atom bomb or not.

[paladin1991]

That was a great remembrance of a Warrior, Jocko.

[Engineer55]

I would use the cable...and you can buy them super cheap on Ebay or Amazon...much cheaper than a store...

Also check for prices at http://www.monoprice.com/ .  They will also have cables and adapters that you didn't even know you could get in a wide assortment of lengths, too.

[deadmeow]

The usa conquers, colonizes, and sets up so many puppet governments, supports corrupt regimes, and has more military bases on every continent than you could shake a stick at.  To kill another person face to face, you have to have so much negative energy in you.  To kill another person from the seat of a jet or bomber, or the seat of a drone, all you need to do is disconnect your self from love and compassion.  Killing someone from a comfortable chair is not any better than killing someone with a knife or a suicide bombing.


I was taught to worship the usa flag as a child and "pledge" my "allegiance" to it, which supposedly had some blessings of some ethnic deity.  I will never worship a flag or deity, now that I am an adult and I understand life. 


If you look all over the world, there are masses of people on every continent that would go kill another person, simply because someone standing in front of a domestic flag told them to, or someone holding a religious book of the domestic religion said to. 


You can see this in every part of the world, people standing in front of their domestic flag, holding a book of the domestic religion, shouting to brainwash other people, using these two symbols as if it gives them some sort of magical authority.

[Jocko Johnson]

That was a great remembrance of Warrior, Jocko.

Thank you...I am very grateful for the time I had to get to know him...

FYI...if anyone is interested...his book is a good read.

2001 autobiography,
The Man Who Flew the Memphis Belle: Memoir of a WWII Bomber Pilot,
co-written with Ron Powers
ISBN 0-525-94610-1.

[Jocko Johnson]

The usa conquers, colonizes, and sets up so many puppet governments, supports corrupt regimes, and has more military bases on every continent than you could shake a stick at.  To kill another person face to face, you have to have so much negative energy in you.  To kill another person from the seat of a jet or bomber, or the seat of a drone, all you need to do is disconnect your self from love and compassion.  Killing someone from a comfortable chair is not any better than killing someone with a knife or a suicide bombing.


I was taught to worship the usa flag as a child and "pledge" my "allegiance" to it, which supposedly had some blessings of some ethnic deity.  I will never worship a flag or deity, now that I am an adult and I understand life. 


If you look all over the world, there are masses of people on every continent that would go kill another person, simply because someone standing in front of a domestic flag told them to, or someone holding a religious book of the domestic religion said to. 


You can see this in every part of the world, people standing in front of their domestic flag, holding a book of the domestic religion, shouting to brainwash other people, using these two symbols as if it gives them some sort of magical authority.

I feel sorry for you. Contrary to recent and popular belief, the USA, IS NOT THE CAUSE AND REASON FOR EVERY AND ALL THE BAD, EVIL AND WHAT IS WRONG IN THIS WORLD. IF YOU KNEW ANY BETTER AND DIDN'T JUST SWALLOW EVERYTHING YOU HEAR, you'd realize, it's quite the opposite. 
But you believe what you like...maybe one day you will learn.
Good luck and have a great day.

[Zenman]

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[Jocko Johnson]

You know...I always found it a bit strange that Dave was in the Navy and also in the Intelligence end of the Navy. The Navy is where much of the hidden clout is in all the 'psych-op' operations of the military, or at least that is what I have heard. And it would makes sense that C2C which, at the time, commanded millions of listeners, needed to be 'steered' by the 'powers-that-be' types.

They just needed some sort of boob to fill the seat and help turn all the fascinating information into mush. Presto! Dave gets a job.

Dunno....but it has always seemed a bit fishy to me.

I have it on good authority, (flackie), that in the USN, (R)...dave was in fact wking in a public info office at the Pentagon for 1 weekend a month and a month every summer...where his duty was to empty the trash, re-fill the staplers and not a requirement, but nontheless a passion with dave, so he put this task on himself and...he would go around the office and with his vast amount and great talant for suckatube, he would suck the farts from all desk chairs and furniture. Any US Navy personnel can help us with the MOS to further prove this point??

[paladin1991]

The usa conquers, colonizes, and sets up so many puppet governments, supports corrupt regimes, and has more military bases on every continent than you could shake a stick at.  To kill another person face to face, you have to have so much negative energy in you.  To kill another person from the seat of a jet or bomber, or the seat of a drone, all you need to do is disconnect your self from love and compassion.  Killing someone from a comfortable chair is not any better than killing someone with a knife or a suicide bombing.


I was taught to worship the usa flag as a child and "pledge" my "allegiance" to it, which supposedly had some blessings of some ethnic deity.  I will never worship a flag or deity, now that I am an adult and I understand life. 


If you look all over the world, there are masses of people on every continent that would go kill another person, simply because someone standing in front of a domestic flag told them to, or someone holding a religious book of the domestic religion said to. 


You can see this in every part of the world, people standing in front of their domestic flag, holding a book of the domestic religion, shouting to brainwash other people, using these two symbols as if it gives them some sort of magical authority.

Yeah.  that's me.  Mr. Fucking Negative Energy.  You don't know what the fuck you are talking about.  And you know what, I ate cat in survival school.  Meow, motherfucker.