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President Donald J. Trump

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Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Juan on January 29, 2017, 04:54:30 PM
That's a major part of the immigration objections here -H1B visa serfs taking jobs from Americans.

Perhaps because they're more qualified? Trump did say that kids are leaving school "deprived of all knowledge": There's your answer.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: pate on January 29, 2017, 04:55:44 PM
I am just checking in from the fallout bunker, is everything okay topside?  I still have three years and fifty-one weeks worth of rations left.

Have the radioactive zombies climbed over the wall yet and if so do we have enough US military left to defend ourselves against the Russians?

I hope so, I don't want to share my freeze-dried food with no filthy foreign types, especially the damn Britlers.

I hope the rest of you are as comfortable as I am weathering the apocalypse.

It's been postponed until the next Democratic administration, pate.  ;)

Kidnostad3

Quote from: Justin has two cars now on January 29, 2017, 04:48:46 PM

Bush initiated GW2, and he's ultimately responsible. As its unlikely anything can be undone from that, his guilt is moot now. Far too late. He can take the deaths of in excess of 150000 civilians to his grave. But killing civilians, wiping out entire cities isn't an aspirational thing. Well, not to normal level headed people that is. America has never had a war on its home turf in living memory, so can be forgiven for thinking video games with the bad guys always being beaten by a lantern jawed GI Joe is the norm in the REALWORLDâ,,¢. Having said that, you have a self reliant murder system that puts some wars and skirmishes to shame with the attrition rates.

But the current fuck up Trump has put in place will put US troops in ME theatres in danger. Not this week, but when the time comes for them trying to get the locals to spy for them. The locals will simply refuse and maybe even turn in undercover US operators. Trump not think of that? Course not; He's far more concerned with making sure his twatter feed is up to date and bleating about the crowd at his swearing in non event.

Specious as ever.  Did Bush force Sadam to not comply with a UN Security Council Mandate and thumb his nose at the West? Did not your own intelligence service tell the world that he was pursuing yellow cake uranium and heavy water.  There were many unknown factors then that we now know more about with the benefit of hindsight.  You are what we call here a Monday Morning Quarterback. 

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Justin has two cars now on January 29, 2017, 04:59:03 PM
Perhaps because they're more qualified?

Nah! It's all about driving wages down, you douchebag shill.  ::) :D

albrecht

Quote from: Justin has two cars now on January 29, 2017, 04:52:14 PM
You're aware what engineering involves I take it? Hands on stuff generally. I know its a concept that Trump can't begin to grasp as the most difficult physical thing he's tackled is choosing which pen to sign a form.
The Microsoft guys are writing code, trying to figure out how to compete against Google, procurement, advertising and marketing, where to outsource, etc- all can almost be done anywhere. The Tesla guys aren't turning wrenches in the garage (mostly) but writing codes, drawing plans, making spreadsheets on sales projections etc, testing in some facility, using computers, etc. And discussing how to get State and Federal grants, funding, and tax-breaks (and about lawsuits)- most of which can be done remotely.


Lt.Uhura

It's clear now that Trump/Bannon's reckless actions in neglecting policy and procedure left various agencies confused and in the dark. It seems no one bothered to communicate with immigration at airports regarding guidelines to follow after the executive order, leaving them to clean up the mess. If this clusterfuck is any example of how Trump intends to Make America Great Again, we're doomed. Given the fact the GOP has admitted they have no plan to replace the ACA, that's looking like the next disaster. The White House is clearly in chaos, resulting in incompetence and dysfunction. Impeach them all!

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_588e7a0ae4b08a14f7e6c37a?

paladin1991

Quote from: 😹 on January 28, 2017, 11:32:28 PM
Hillary is an idiot
during her husband's administration ANYBODY remember the piss in the snow incident?
the morning she got up and noticed a yellow message in the snow ?
"Hillary is a BITCH"
she demanded the secret service investigate
later that day they came to her office
do you want to bad news first ?
or the really bad news first ?
she said start with the bad
the urine is your husband's
oh, and the really bad ?
the handwriting is Monica Lewinski's
LOL

hahah.  I'll tell that down  at the VFdub.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on January 29, 2017, 04:59:52 PM
Specious as ever.  Did Bush force Sadam to not comply with a UN Security Council Mandate and thumb his nose at the West? Did not your own intelligence service tell the world that he was pursuing yellow cake uranium and heavy water. 

No, they didn't. Nor did the CIA. The evidence was found to be fabricated by a wannabee asylum seeker trying to get into Germany. The German, French, UK intel services said there was no truth in his wild stories. The CIA looked at it too, and came to the same conclusion. But Bush's team wanted war, and mere none evidence wssn't going to change that. Bliar capitulated and lied to Parliament.

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There were many unknown factors that we now know more about with the benefit of hindsight.  You are what we call here a Monday Morning Quarterback.

Indeed. But it could have been avoided. As I said, too late now. The shit has already been laid.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: albrecht on January 29, 2017, 05:01:42 PM
The Microsoft guys are writing code, trying to figure out how to compete against Google, procurement, advertising and marketing, where to outsource, etc- all can almost be done anywhere. The Tesla guys aren't turning wrenches in the garage (mostly) but writing codes, drawing plans, making spreadsheets on sales projections etc, testing in some facility, using computers, etc. And discussing how to get State and Federal grants, funding, and tax-breaks (and about lawsuits)- most of which can be done remotely.

But why should they, just to make Trump feel good?  But it will turn sour when the favour is reciprocated, and American citizens are refused entry in other countries.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Lt.Uhura on January 29, 2017, 05:02:29 PM
It's clear now that Trump/Bannon's reckless actions in neglecting policy and procedure left various agencies confused and in the dark. It seems no one bothered to communicate with immigration at airports regarding guidelines to follow after the executive order, leaving them to clean up the mess. If this clusterfuck is any example of how Trump intends to Make America Great Again, we're doomed. Given the fact the GOP has admitted they have no plan to replace the ACA, that's looking like the next disaster. The White House is clearly in chaos, resulting in incompetence and dysfunction. Impeach them all!

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_588e7a0ae4b08a14f7e6c37a?

If this civil war that you keep pushing for ever really happens, you'll be the first against the wall.  ;)

albrecht

Quote from: Justin has two cars now on January 29, 2017, 04:59:03 PM
Perhaps because they're more qualified? Trump did say that kids are leaving school "deprived of all knowledge": There's your answer.
In some cases yes, or at least more motivated. I'm ok for VISAs once the people are vetted and the job is necessary or they have some special skill that can't be sourced locally. I know you have similar rules and most of the EU does also. There are 'ways around them' but if the person is vetted, tracked, and has no recourse to public funds etc? I don't like if it simply for cheaper labor, though within limits, this is good for the share-holder. I worry though that there should be national security concerns considered about foreign workers, foreign students, and out-sourcing to foreign lands.

Kidnostad3

Quote from: albrecht on January 29, 2017, 05:01:42 PM
The Microsoft guys are writing code, trying to figure out how to compete against Google, procurement, advertising and marketing, where to outsource, etc- all can almost be done anywhere. The Tesla guys aren't turning wrenches in the garage (mostly) but writing codes, drawing plans, making spreadsheets on sales projections etc, testing in some facility, using computers, etc. And discussing how to get State and Federal grants, funding, and tax-breaks (and about lawsuits)- most of which can be done remotely.

If I've said it once I've said it twice, that Albrecht dude sho do know his shit.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on January 29, 2017, 05:01:08 PM
Nah! It's all about driving wages down, you douchebag shill.  ::) :D

You think an engineer from Iran with possibly a Masters degree is going to be paid less than an American? You're deluded.

albrecht

Quote from: Justin has two cars now on January 29, 2017, 05:08:50 PM
But why should they, just to make Trump feel good?  But it will turn sour when the favour is reciprocated, and American citizens are refused entry in other countries.
To help stop "the warming."  ;) Instead of meeting, that often are unnecessary, more things could be done remote via phone and video conferencing. Likewise, even if just for traffic concerns and due to a global business environment, we could start reconsidering more shift work or even whole societal shake-up where 24/7 business is being done on all levels- not necessarily longer working hours but redistributing the load over the whole clock.

Quote from: pate on January 29, 2017, 04:55:44 PM
I am just checking in from the fallout bunker, is everything okay topside?  I still have three years and fifty-one weeks worth of rations left.

Have the radioactive zombies climbed over the wall yet and if so do we have enough US military left to defend ourselves against the Russians?

I hope so, I don't want to share my freeze-dried food with no filthy foreign types, especially the damn Britlers.

I hope the rest of you are as comfortable as I am weathering the apocalypse.


I'm plenty comfy, thanks, and have been doing everything I can in word and deed in my little corner of the universe to MAPA.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on January 29, 2017, 05:09:01 PM
If this civil war that you keep pushing for ever really happens, you'll be the first against the wall.  ;)

How will you know? You'll be under your bed with a pillow on your head, screaming for your mother.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Justin has two cars now on January 29, 2017, 05:10:01 PM
You think an engineer from Iran with possibly a Masters degree is going to be paid less than an American? You're deluded.

It depends. There's a pretty wide range of educational institutions of varying degrees of quality throughout the world. We've all heard the jokes about medical degrees from "schools" on tropical islands and such. Importing labor is more often an attempt at wage steering than it is about not being able to fill the position locally.  ;)

albrecht

Quote from: Justin has two cars now on January 29, 2017, 05:10:01 PM
You think an engineer from Iran with possibly a Masters degree is going to be paid less than an American? You're deluded.
Often, yes. At least initially, often workers (of any stripe) don't know their "worth." Or aren't psychologically able to demand it. Many studies show this in women, long careered people at same company, etc and is a part of the "wage-gap," for example. Why it is a good thing to use a head-hunter in negotiations. They know the market-value of your skills and also can argue from a dispassionate perspective. And/or keep it limited so your current employer doesn't know you are searching around. But you can use that info even if you stay at your current job because that data is a bargaining position. A lot of times one will here "why did that new guy get that big $?) Well, like in downstream services they asked for it or the new subscriber etc gets a 'better deal' than the guy already in.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Justin has two cars now on January 29, 2017, 05:12:32 PM
How will you know? You'll be under your bed with a pillow on your head, screaming for your mother.

No, I'll beat him to death with limbs I pull from your dead carcass. They might be a little too scrawny to get the job done proper though.  :P

P.S. My mom's dead, asshole!  >:(

paladin1991

Quote from: the_Stranger on January 29, 2017, 12:01:57 AM
Ah yes, the "baby killers" canard.
The forced birthers love using that  term.
Is abortion mandatory or do you just want to control?
Do you think a baby magically appears as soon as the egg is fertilized?
Ah, yes, 'baby killers,' 'forced birth' and 'control.'  Magic words.  Sorry Stranger, I'm all for 'self control.'   As in, keep your dick in your pants or stop spreading your legs.  I know, Stranger, ppl should be as stupid as cattle and fuck with no consequence, right?

If ppl are going to be stupid as cattle then how about a using a condom?  Or is that just too much to expect or ask?  Oh right, right, makes you not feel anything.....kinda like the sub human response to getting knocked up....'shit, baby, just go down to Planned Parenthood.  They'll suck that baby right out of you.  Kinda like going to the dentist, only cheaper.  Hell, tell them you're broke and the stupid taxpayers will pay for it.  Shit baby, we'll be screwing like rabbits in no time!' 

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: albrecht on January 29, 2017, 05:15:56 PM
Often, yes. At least initially, often workers (of any stripe) don't know their "worth." Or aren't psychologically able to demand it. Many studies show this in women, long careered people at same company, etc and is a part of the "wage-gap," for example. Why it is a good thing to use a head-hunter in negotiations. They know the market-value of your skills and also can argue from a dispassionate perspective. And/or keep it limited so your current employer doesn't know you are searching around. But you can use that info even if you stay at your current job because that data is a bargaining position. A lot of times one will here "why did that new guy get that big $?) Well, like in downstream services they asked for it or the new subscriber etc gets a 'better deal' than the guy already in.

Well, your kids are deprived of all knowledge so the net has to be cast wider.

Kidnostad3

Quote from: Justin Time on January 29, 2017, 05:03:22 PM
hahah.  I'll tell that down  at the VFdub.

I'm an American Legion man myself.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on January 29, 2017, 05:16:51 PM
No, I'll beat him to death with limbs I pull from your dead carcass. They might be a little too scrawny to get the job done proper though.  :P

P.S. My mom's dead, asshole!  >:(

Course you will...course you will... ;D


paladin1991

Quote from: 😹 on January 29, 2017, 12:19:32 AM
ah, you need to go slower and understand
heroin comes through the Mexican border, because no border
understand?
inappropriate prescribing should be taken care of by laws rules and regulations ON THE BOOKS !
the DEA and medical boards need only to do THEIR JOB
understand ?
result problem solved

STOP MAKING SENSE

paladin1991

Quote from: Meister_000 on January 29, 2017, 12:24:45 AM
By Friday (already) there was a call to cancel the Oscar's entirely on account of it. And just a heads-up; Trump will cause a _nation-wide_ shut-down (if not many over time) at the rate he's going. People are in no mood.

And what does that mean to the America ppl?  Exactly?
"People are in no mood."  What does that mean?  Exactly?


paladin1991

Quote from: Lt.Uhura on January 29, 2017, 12:26:39 AM
Most of these people are only concerned with the fetus. Will they adopt the baby of a woman I met who's pregnant, homeless, and using drugs and alcohol daily? There will be even more of these unwanted children once Planned Parenthood is closed, and no contraception available for the poor.


Maybe, what Sanger wanted was to not smoke unborn children, but for us to euthanize stoopid hoomanz? How better to control the useless eaters and strengthen the human (white) race.

Kidnostad3

Quote from: Justin Time on January 29, 2017, 05:24:40 PM

Maybe, what Sanger wanted was to not smoke unborn children, but for us to euthanize stoopid hoomanz? How better to control the useless eaters and strengthen the human (white) race.

When considering the question of abortion I have to personalize it.  Nobody aborted me so...


paladin1991

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on January 29, 2017, 06:51:55 AM
Well, I guess you'll have to start whipping up the Nazi propaganda again.  ::)

You know, you're right.  Why has no one posted 'Springtime for Hitler' with Trumps likeness plastered all over it?

Quote from: SredniVashtar on January 29, 2017, 12:41:10 PM
You're not paying attention. I said that the right tends to believe in national myths that they organise themselves around from the ground up. The others you cite were fighting wars of independence of one kind or another, that's not the same thing. They are more ad hoc and tend to disintegrate once they've kicked out whoever was in their country.

Because national identity is just an abstraction. You have no more reason to identify with one set of people than any other. And once you establish yourself as a part of one group it makes it easier to find another group to go after and attack.

Still sticking with it?.

I get that National Socialism circa 1930s and 1940s (the Nazis) MUST BE right wing for the rest of Leftist orthodoxy to make sense.  The Left can't attack on the basis of democracy, the Constitution, the free exchange of goods and services, personal responsibility, etc, because people agree with those things. 

That the Nazis were 'right wing'' and the modern opponents of the Left are also ''right wing'' - and thus must be opposed - is a requirement in order for the ''Progressives'' to establish legitimacy.  Repeated enough times, over a long enough period of time, it's accepted as fact.  Except that it's wrong.


Quote from: SredniVashtar on January 29, 2017, 12:41:10 PM
... Because national identity is just an abstraction. You have no more reason to identify with one set of people than any other. And once you establish yourself as a part of one group it makes it easier to find another group to go after and attack.

Please identify the ''right wing'' in the US.  Because in our country the only people shouting their hatred for the ''other'', and acting like Brownshirts, are Occupy / Thug Lives Matter.

The people attacked in print by the pretend journalists is anyone not marching in lock step with the ''Progressives''.  The same can be said for those targeted for attack on college campuses, Hollywood, and from the bureaucracy. 

If you are looking for people who have ''established themselves as a part of one group and found another group to go after and attack'', look no further.

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