President Donald J. Trump

[pyewacket]

Meatie has never voted Democrat, turdlet.

turdlet!?!?

Everytime this argument comes up - it reminds me of this joke.

[Yorkshire pud]

turdlet!?!?

Everytime this argument comes up - it reminds me of this joke.

Which argument is that? Not voting one way doesn't automatically mean voting the opposite?

[albrecht]

Which argument is that? Not voting one way doesn't automatically mean voting the opposite?

Yes, according to some activists and fundraisers on the left. At least according to my relative in Hollywood who said "not voting for Hillary, or not voting at all, is the same as voting for Trump" and "we should eliminate anonymity in voting because racists and sexists hide behind this. You should not be afraid to tell the public how you vote."  Everyone she knows who voted for Trump is going to be "cut off" from her life, also, in the spirit of "liberalism" and progressiveness. Does anyone know if money given to a candidate that is unspent ever returned? Can you write off what you give to a candidate on taxes? I wonder if some of her spite and drama might be due to monetary, not just psychological, investment in Billary?

[pyewacket]

Which argument is that? Not voting one way doesn't automatically mean voting the opposite?

In theory- you're absolutely correct. In practice- we had TWO choices. A candidate with 46% of the vote and a candidate with 46.1% of the vote. Those are the two choices that matter- the rest has proven to be irrelevant election after election. You can accuse me of being a binary thinker but this is how elections are won in the USA. Until you can turn your passion into persuasion and convince nearly half the American public to vote against their self interest- our elections will remain a choice between two candidates. That means binary- computers don't seem to have a problem with this.
 

[pyewacket]

Yes, according to some activists and fundraisers on the left. At least according to my relative in Hollywood who said "not voting for Hillary, or not voting at all, is the same as voting for Trump" and "we should eliminate anonymity in voting because racists and sexists hide behind this. You should not be afraid to tell the public how you vote."  Everyone she knows who voted for Trump is going to be "cut off" from her life, also, in the spirit of "liberalism" and progressiveness. Does anyone know if money given to a candidate that is unspent ever returned? Can you write off what you give to a candidate on taxes? I wonder if some of her spite and drama might be due to monetary, not just psychological, investment in Billary?

So your relative advocates weak minded tribalism? If we don't agree with her - the tribe won't let us huddle near the fire at night? She and her friends seem unable to live independently of the approval of others. Sounds like you're better off without them. The price independent thinkers have to pay. 

[Yorkshire pud]

Yes, according to some activists and fundraisers on the left. At least according to my relative in Hollywood who said "not voting for Hillary, or not voting at all, is the same as voting for Trump" and "we should eliminate anonymity in voting because racists and sexists hide behind this. You should not be afraid to tell the public how you vote."  Everyone she knows who voted for Trump is going to be "cut off" from her life, also, in the spirit of "liberalism" and progressiveness. Does anyone know if money given to a candidate that is unspent ever returned? Can you write off what you give to a candidate on taxes? I wonder if some of her spite and drama might be due to monetary, not just psychological, investment in Billary?

I don't agree with the principle of declaring allegiance to any party as public record. (Registered). If Joe and Josephine Smith want to tell any and all who they're intending to stick their cross next to, fair enough; but the actual process should be confidential.

As for compulsory? I have mixed feelings on that. In Australia I believe it is, even if you trot along and spoil the paper. Too many countries' populations don't have a choice (it could be said that democracies seem to vote for the same repackaged bs), and those who do have that choice, should excercise that right. The flip side of that is having the choice, means we can choose not to choose. But, the argument then holds that those same people cannot reasonably complain about any result.

[Dr. MD MD]

So your relative advocates weak minded tribalism? If we don't agree with her - the tribe won't let us huddle near the fire at night? She and her friends seem unable to live independently of the approval of others. Sounds like you're better off without them. The price independent thinkers have to pay. 

This is where we separate the men (and women) from the bees, sweetie. 

[Yorkshire pud]

In theory- you're absolutely correct. In practice- we had TWO choices. A candidate with 46% of the vote and a candidate with 46.1% of the vote. Those are the two choices that matter- the rest has proven to be irrelevant election after election. You can accuse me of being a binary thinker but this is how elections are won in the USA. Until you can turn your passion into persuasion and convince nearly half the American public to vote against their self interest- our elections will remain a choice between two candidates. That means binary- computers don't seem to have a problem with this.

That's an unfortunate comparison.
Computers can't reason; can't argue their position; articulate their passion or desires. Cannot empathise, cannot show compassion or courage. Computers are merely machines. With no heart.

[Yorkshire pud]

So your relative advocates weak minded tribalism? If we don't agree with her - the tribe won't let us huddle near the fire at night? She and her friends seem unable to live independently of the approval of others. Sounds like you're better off without them. The price independent thinkers have to pay. 

And Trump rally supporters were independent thinkers? Lapping up all the crap they wanted to hear made them critical thinkers?

[GravitySucks]

That's an unfortunate comparison.
Computers can't reason; can't argue their position; articulate their passion or desires. Cannot empathise, cannot show compassion or courage. Computers are merely machines. With no heart.

The critical thinking was demonstrated when they chose to attend a Trump rally instead of taking the easy route and getting a front row seat at a Clinton rally. Sitting through the rally was just entertainment and having the memories of supporting a winner.

[pyewacket]

And Trump rally supporters were independent thinkers? Lapping up all the crap they wanted to hear made them critical thinkers?

Using your own words, if I replace the name Trump with Clinton- how does your argument change? Simple "binary" substitution. If we change the 1 to a 0, the argument stays the same. Guess who I think the 'zero' is. I'm guessing you won't need a computer to figure that out.

[Yorkshire pud]

Using your own words, if I replace the name Trump with Clinton- how does your argument change? Simple "binary" substitution. If we change the 1 to a 0, the argument stays the same. Guess who I think the 'zero' is. I'm guessing you won't need a computer to figure that out.

Oh I have no allegiance in any way to Clinton, and the stance remains, yes indeed. But that also highlights how an essentially binary political system is fundamentally flawed. There is no incentive to be better, just 'not like those'. Its why it becomes tribal; and you have this funny if it weren't so tragic mind set whereby people are judged by who they voted for, which is intellectually bonkers.  I can honestly say I have no idea who my friends vote for, or even if they bother to. It isn't important to me.

[Dr. MD MD]

Oh I have no allegiance in any way to Clinton, and the stance remains, yes indeed. But that also highlights how an essentially binary political system is fundamentally flawed. There is no incentive to be better, just 'not like those'. Its why it becomes tribal; and you have this funny if it weren't so tragic mind set whereby people are judged by who they voted for, which is intellectually bonkers.  I can honestly say I have no idea who my friends vote for, or even if they bother to. It isn't important to me.

Funny, I never see you join in with Hillary jokes and insults. It's always Trump with you. Maybe it's time to stop being so disingenuous? 

[albrecht]

Oh I have no allegiance in any way to Clinton, and the stance remains, yes indeed. But that also highlights how an essentially binary political system is fundamentally flawed. There is no incentive to be better, just 'not like those'. Its why it becomes tribal; and you have this funny if it weren't so tragic mind set whereby people are judged by who they voted for, which is intellectually bonkers.  I can honestly say I have no idea who my friends vote for, or even if they bother to. It isn't important to me.

It is not really a binary system since there are other Parties and within the 2 major Parties there is a process, depending on Party and State, of picking the candidate. The real problem is that the Presidency/ExecutiveBranch, and Federal government in general, have so much power and people consider it almost king-like. And Justices god-like. In reality your local mayor, sheriff, and State officials should have more of an impact on your daily life but increasingly over time the Federal government has gotten to the point that everything must be the proverbial "Federal Case" and top-down regulations and decisions impacting almost every aspect of daily life.

[WOTR]

It's a Soros op, meant to distract, cause confusion, and boost the morale of his deplorables

I hope Trump is keeping track of all this.  The best thing he could do for our country is to take these people on.  I suggest Soros be arrested, detained, and a full RICO investigation for him and his violent hater/protestor groups. 

I'm sorry... You are actually suggesting that the president himself start ordering the arrest of people based on politics?  (I know you are going to argue that it is based on laws- but don't we have to at least pretend that you would like an investigation first rather than just going with your gut feeling that everything is a Soros op?)

I would not want to live in your head where Soros controls everything like a puppet master...

[3OctaveFart]

Pretty confident we are but days away from the president-elect saying if Clinton continues to support Dr. Stein's recount effort, he'll have to re-think his decision to not appoint a special prosecutor to go after her. And you thought banana republic was just a clothing line.

[pyewacket]

Oh I have no allegiance in any way to Clinton, and the stance remains, yes indeed. But that also highlights how an essentially binary political system is fundamentally flawed. There is no incentive to be better, just 'not like those'. Its why it becomes tribal; and you have this funny if it weren't so tragic mind set whereby people are judged by who they voted for, which is intellectually bonkers.  I can honestly say I have no idea who my friends vote for, or even if they bother to. It isn't important to me.

If what you say is true about not caring how your friends in your own country vote- then why would you ever care about how someone in another country votes? You even go on to describe people who vote for a candidate you obviously don't approve of as tragically flawed. Isn't it as valid for a conservative to think of Hillary voters as tragically flawed? I thought the leftie talking point was to call us "deplorables"?   I can see why you don't because it didn't work out all that well now - did it? Classic leftist mindset- 'I don't mind what you do as long as you do what I tell you to do.'  :

[Yorkshire pud]

Funny, I never see you join in with Hillary jokes and insults. It's always Trump with you. Maybe it's time to stop being so disingenuous? 

Trump is easy. Easy because he's not really serious about what he's elected to do, and has a Senda esque addiction to revealing just how much of a narcassistic sociopath he is. What is now entertaining, is his fans still believe he's a 'man of the people', and will probably still believe it when they see their standard of living drop in the pan and Trump and his cronies get even richer.

Clinton's critics forget she hasn't and won't be prosecuted for crimes she hasn't committed. If she was likely to, why has the FBI publically said there is no case(s) to answer?  Following Russian spammed fake news which is anti Clinton isn't evidence of guilt. Clinton wasn't a good candidate for the Dems. Not because she's a criminal, but because the perception she could be. Its also laughable the accusations of her being a communist I've seen posted. But interestingly, all mentions of Putin being one (in name) is quietly layed aside.

But, when Trump's house of cards collapses, there'll be former supporters lining up with made up stories of him being a real commie, because why else would he be necking with Putin?

[Yorkshire pud]

If what you say is true about not caring how your friends in your own country vote- then why would you ever care about how someone in another country votes? You even go on to describe people who vote for a candidate you obviously don't approve of as tragically flawed. Isn't it as valid for a conservative to think of Hillary voters as tragically flawed? I thought the leftie talking point was to call us "deplorables"?   I can see why you don't because it didn't work out all that well now - did it? Classic leftist mindset- 'I don't mind what you do as long as you do what I tell you to do.'  :

There you go. 'classic leftist mindset'. Do you seriously see me as an automaton? 

As for caring what happens in the US; I think most thinking people all over the world care. Because the US has enough nuclear weapons to destroy the planet they share. And the planet really would rather that if they want to play at being grown ups with big toys, they appoint an adult as the family head, rather than a thin skinned, whiney, megolamaniac.

[Dr. MD MD]

Trump is easy. Easy because he's not really serious about what he's elected to do, and has a Senda esque addiction to revealing just how much of a narcassistic sociopath he is. What is now entertaining, is his fans still believe he's a 'man of the people', and will probably still believe it when they see their standard of living drop in the pan and Trump and his cronies get even richer.

Clunton's critics forget she hasn't and won't be prosecuted for crimes she hasn't committed. If she was likely to, why has the FBI publically said there is no case(s) to answer?  Following Russian spammed fake news which is anti Clinton isn't evidence of guilt. Clinton wasn't a good candidate for the Dems. Not because she's a criminal, but because the perception she could be. Its also laughable the accusations of her being a communist I've seen posted. But interestingly, all mentions of Putin being one (in name) is quietly layed aside.

But, when Trump's house of cards collapses, there'll be former supporters lining up with made up stories of him being a real commie, because why else would he be necking with Putin?

You're just exemplifying how closely your talking points follow the DNC's. So, why not just admit that not only do you want to be an American citizen but that you would vote Democratic if you were? 

[3OctaveFart]

turdlet!?!?

Everytime this argument comes up - it reminds me of this joke.

Eat the corn niblets out of Senda's shit. Then blow me.

[Yorkshire pud]

Pretty confident we are but days away from the president-elect saying if Clinton continues to support Dr. Stein's recount effort, he'll have to re-think his decision to not appoint a special prosecutor to go after her. And you thought banana republic was just a clothing line.

That implies that Trump is a tantrum prone child who, if he doesn't get his own way, throws all of his toys out of the pram.

[whoozit]

What's all the worry about Trump becoming president?  I've been assured by MSM and many that post here that is not possible. 

[Yorkshire pud]

You're just exemplifying how closely your talking points follow the DNC's. So, why not just admit that not only do you want to be an American citizen but that you would vote Democratic if you were? 

Why would I possibly want to be an American citizen? We gave you the basis for democratic elections; just because you fuck it up with archaic practices doesn't mean we or I subscribe to it. And no, I probably wouldn't vote Dem. I'd elect me, revoke the d of I, and bring you all back into line.

[Jackstar]

Why would I possibly want to be an American citizen?

Dental ca--no, wait, go ahead.

[Value Of Pi]

There you go. 'classic leftist mindset'. Do you seriously see me as an automaton? 

As for caring what happens in the US; I think most thinking people all over the world care. Because the US has enough nuclear weapons to destroy the planet they share. And the planet really would rather that if they want to play at being grown ups with big toys, they appoint an adult as the family head, rather than a thin skinned, whiney, megolamaniac.

It would be a nice gesture if the U.S. and Russia -- the only two powers with the capability to end human civilization, if not the human race -- would just issue a standing provisional apology to mankind. Something along the lines of, we're sorry in advance if anything we do causes billions to die and sacrifices millenia of human progress, but you know, stuff happens and we take responsibility.

But no, people in charge will be spinning and BSing right to the end, which would make it all that much more unpleasant to behold.

[pyewacket]

Trump is easy. Easy because he's not really serious about what he's elected to do, and has a Senda esque addiction to revealing just how much of a narcassistic sociopath he is. What is now entertaining, is his fans still believe he's a 'man of the people', and will probably still believe it when they see their standard of living drop in the pan and Trump and his cronies get even richer.

Clinton's critics forget she hasn't and won't be prosecuted for crimes she hasn't committed. If she was likely to, why has the FBI publically said there is no case(s) to answer?  Following Russian spammed fake news which is anti Clinton isn't evidence of guilt. Clinton wasn't a good candidate for the Dems. Not because she's a criminal, but because the perception she could be. Its also laughable the accusations of her being a communist I've seen posted. But interestingly, all mentions of Putin being one (in name) is quietly layed aside.

But, when Trump's house of cards collapses, there'll be former supporters lining up with made up stories of him being a real commie, because why else would he be necking with Putin?

There you go. 'classic leftist mindset'. Do you seriously see me as an automaton? 

YES

[Up All Night]

Too many black leaders are using the word "racism" to describe this election.

I have to laugh when blacks suggest that racism is what drove this election.

That stereotype is not what drove this election.

Over 700 counties that went for Obama, twice, now went for Trump. That's why he won the election!

What, did those voters in those 700 counties all of sudden become racist?? Give me a Break !!!

[Jackstar]

our elections will remain a choice between two candidates.

It is not really a binary system

[Jackstar]

Do you seriously see me as an automaton?