President Donald J. Trump

[Jackstar]

[136 or 142]

My biggest issues come out of his cozy relationship to wallstreet and the wars (for somebody who won a nobel peace prize, he did not really do very well on that front.)

All of the corruption and no meaningful reform passed- more hand outs for wall street, bonuses for the heads of banks that the government had to bail out (in the same year that they were bailed out).  Obamacare damn near being written by the insurance companies (ever wonder why none of them were very upset?)

In addition to this, his "leadership" on the NSA spying revelations was more than a little lacking, and the media did give not only him, but the whole establishment a pass on that.

You may have heard it "covered" in the news. But unless you went beyond the headlines, you really missed a huge amount.  No, the media did not critique these things very well.

I just look  forward to media being openly shunned by the administration.  When they are wanting access they are not going to rock the boat and ask the questions they should.  And under Obama, they still wanted and had hope for access.  I hope Trump slams the door in their collective faces and has an adversarial relationship with them.

1.Dodd-Frank, much more comprehensive than the venerated Glass-Steigel.  I agree that the lack of criminal cases against the Wall Street types didn't receive the press coverage it deserved, but at least Frontline did a major expose on it.

2. Some of the provisions that the insurance companies opposed like the 'public option' were removed because they couldn't get enough support in the U.S Senate as a handful of Democrats and every Republican opposed it.

There likely were some provisions in the Affordable Care Act that were included to please the insurance companies and get them onside but that's just part of the normal 'sausage making' process of passing legislation.  The theoretical underpinnings of Obamacare go back to at least a  1989 policy proposal of the conservative Heritage Institute that the Republican Party initially embraced as their alternative to 'Clinton Care.'

Prior to that was the similar but more comprehensive proposed legislation of the Nixon Administration:
http://ihpi.umich.edu/news/nixoncare-vs-obamacare-u-m-team-compares-rhetoric-reality-two-health-plans

The idea that Obamacare was written by the insurance industry seems to be a far left conspiracy theory:  http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/19692-obamacare-the-biggest-insurance-scam-in-history

I would simply point out that it was those far left types in the 1970s that blocked Nixon's health care legislation (have I already pointed out it was more comprehensive than Obamacare?)  because they demanded 'single payer' and nothing else. 

These far left or further left Democrats also seem to be a major reason Hillary Clinton lost as they smugly said "I won't vote for a lesser evil."

I disagree with SciFi Author that 'liberals' are a problem as opposed to these far left or further left progressive types for whom only what they view as perfection is good enough.  Also, if those are the people he refers to as 'environmental loonies' (not his phrase) I also completely agree with him.  I don't know if most of them are smart enough to realize it, but they would shut down the economy to, in their view, save the environment.  And, then they seem to be genuinely surprised when most people reject their suggestions.

How every much I dislike most of today's Republicans, I at least grudgingly admire that however much they may disagree, when it comes to voting, nearly all of their coalition, from their handful of remaining pragmatic centrists to their most extreme lunatic supporters votes for whoever their nominee is.

3.The spying revelations were ignored initially for too long both under George W. Bush and Barack Obama, but once the Snowden Papers were released, it was covered extensively.

All in all, I don't think you've presented much of a case.

I would also point out that the Obamacare debate seemed to be thoroughly covered though it was quite confusing at times, the Obamacare website debacle was covered, the Syrian 'red line' was covered, the Stimulus Package as 'porkulus' received far more coverage than it deserved, the  Obamacare 'death panels' received extensive coverage.  The alleged IRS scandals received significant coverage.

I think the idea that the Obama Administration was not subjected to a critical press is pure nonsense though this does have to take into account the decline of the financial viability of the MSM and its ability to investigate. I think this view that Obama received soft coverage comes mostly from the ideological extremes and really means 'they didn't give coverage to the conspiracy theories that I think are important.'

We already saw here Gravity Sucks (who personally sucks) write pretty much exactly that, and you seem to have written the same thing now (though I don't think you're an extremist.)

[Jackstar]

All in all, I don't think you've presented much of a case.

You sure shit out pages of rebuttal, though, fancy that.

[136 or 142]

I'm spending a year dead for tax purposes.

You should be able to get away with that.  Hook your brain up to an ECG and it will flatline right now.

[MV/Liberace!]

So now for ALL of you righteous cunts here who said that I was lowering the classy image the reputation
of this joint--how is that what that pedo Jackstar posted for a classy posting on the famous BellGab Forum..??

Maybe Keith was correct saying that this is: 

"Bellgab is a cesspool." -Keith Rowland

"Fuck that guy." -MV

All of you who are thinking that this is cool behaviour because "this is Bellgab after all" -and yet you are surprised that normal intelligent
smart people stopped posting here and that the place is dying and very stale ,and some of you were trying to blame on me
you are delusional...
Posts like this(the above post) by pedo Jackstar and posts like one he posted in a different thread ..."I hope you die from ass cancer in the liver"
are what is making this place offensive to wider public.

It's OK to have cool forum /no leash as MV was bragging/ ,but as you MV have rule that states:
Objectionable Material:  Do not post pornographic images, death pictures, or any other imagery/video that can't be safely viewed from a work cubicle.

..perhaps MV you should reach deep down to your hearth and your soul and ask yourself this question:

1. Would I like my girls {your daughters MV} in the future to see this forum and read some of the most filthy comments
and to know that my dad owned this forum and that my dad allowed for this filth to be posted,
I'm sure that they will be proud of their daddy...

2. Is that the best MV you can do ?? -would you be proud standing in front of your dear grandma
/that you spoke so warmly about it on gabcast/..would you look in her eyes and be proud for allowing such filthy
comments about Mothers to be posted on "YOUR FORUM" -She was a Mother of your Mother, in case you didn't know that.

3. Perhaps you can rethink and remodel and introduce few "No-No's" as to what can not be posted.
Let them have heavy fights/arguments, let them call names -but make illness or death wishes and insulting family members
(no matter in what form, especially sexual) definite ban worthy act.
Perhaps first time for a 24 hours, second time for a month, third time for life ban set not to expire.

That would clean this joint to a very nice level and you might get more quality members
but this garbage that you MV are allowing now to exist here
and those of you posters who are responding to Jacstar's /or to filthy posts by others/ and not telling them that this is not acceptable
you have to shame that poster --if you did that you would show that you have morals and that you have principles,
that you do have respect for your Mothers and for other family members ..but most majority of you here including the owner
or you are indeed degenerate human waste or cold hearted cowards !!

Think about it....

[Jackstar]

Just ignore him.

[analog kid]

re: http://bellgab.com/index.php/topic,2284.msg961163.html#msg961163

That's meme material. 

[Jackstar]

meme material

I see your degenerate attempt to get me to read that dork's posts, and I am having none of it. GOOD DAY SIR I SAID GOOD DAY.

[Lilith]

Just ignore him.

Yeah, What Jackstar said.

[CornyCrow]

Trump now says he has an open mind concerning the Paris accord.  Who got to him?  I am proud that he is willing to listen to logic and a big enough guy to change his opinions when given facts. 

If he ran with that as a part of his platform, I might have voted for him.

[GravitySucks]

Winning 😎

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/22/pentagon-end-gun-free-zones-military-bases/

[GravitySucks]

Trump now says he has an open mind concerning the Paris accord.  Who got to him?  I am proud that he is willing to listen to logic and a big enough guy to change his opinions when given facts. 

If he ran with that as a part of his platform, I might have voted for him.

We have a big tent. I will remind you in 2020.

[Dr. MD MD]

So, he's going to backtrack on prosecuting Hillary now. Fuck him if he doesn't follow through on this! I'll be voting Democratic again the first chance I get. 

[CornyCrow]

So, he's going to backtrack on prosecuting Hillary now. Fuck him if he doesn't follow through on this! I'll be voting Democratic again the first chance I get. 

This is normal for candidates to, once elected, walk back on parts of their platform.  I think they all do this.  I don't think Hillary can run again.  She's really no further source of damage.  It's funny how the donations to the charity dropped dramatically once she lost. 

[Value Of Pi]

I couldn't care less of she's arrested (because in the free world, we have arrest, charge, trial, aquittal/conviction) or not. But it does lay waste to the promises Trump made...one by one. At his current rate, by the time he's in the WH he'll have renaged on pretty much everything that got him elected. Lol.

Presidents have always made promises that they tried and failed to keep during their time in office. Trump, however, is already the exception. He isn't even in office yet and he is already starting to abandon many or most of his promises to his enthusiastic supporters: specifically, the wall, massive deportations, withdrawing from climate change agreements, repealing and replacing Obamacare and prosecuting Hillary.

His vague explanation, in his latest interview with the New York Times, is that he just said all that stuff because he was campaigning -- IOW, he only said what he did to get elected. I have no trouble believing that. The question now (and the question all along for those who didn't buy his act) is, how his actual beliefs and priorities, whatever they are beyond his personal interests, will affect the decisions he'll make in office.

He's a wild card and as unpredictable as ever, which should please anyone who enjoys the kind of chaos that can cause. Still, he's bound to disappoint a bunch of people who were expecting him to at least try to keep his promises, not immediately abandon them. This period is like your first week at Trump U, when you start to suspect that you've been had.

[norland2424]

Winning 😎

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/22/pentagon-end-gun-free-zones-military-bases/

nice now that is good news 

[Dr. MD MD]

This is normal for candidates to, once elected, walk back on parts of their platform.  I think they all do this.  I don't think Hillary can run again.  She's really no further source of damage.  It's funny how the donations to the charity dropped dramatically once she lost.

I know it's business as usual. I've witnessed it my whole life. It hasn't worked. It's not working and it won't work. It just sends the message that, as long as you're big enough, you can try almost anything and get away with it. We should just all start operating on this sociopathic principle then; and then what need have we of government if it's really just a war of each against all? I was hoping for some real change that didn't come at the end of a gun barrel but I suppose that's the only real kind of change now.

[analog kid]

I know it's business as usual. I've witnessed it my whole life. It hasn't worked. It's not working and it won't work. It just sends the message that, as long as you're big enough, you can try almost anything and get away with it. We should just all start operating on this sociopathic principle then; and then what need have we of government if it's really just a war of each against all? I was hoping for some real change that didn't come at the end of a gun barrel but I suppose that's the only real kind of change now.

There's actually nothing to indict Hillary over. Surprise.

[Dr. MD MD]

There's actually nothing to indict Hillary over. Surprise.

Wake the fuck up!  :

[=Schlyder=]

So, he's going to backtrack on prosecuting Hillary now. Fuck him if he doesn't follow through on this! I'll be voting Democratic again the first chance I get. 

Trump is playing 6D chess again.  He is just distancing himself from the investigation/prosecution. As well, he is not wanting Obama to pardon her for anything before he is out of business.  Trump will be making 6D chess moves until Jan.20  Don't take anything said until then as written in stone.  Think a few more moves ahead.

[Humilia Lepus Foramen]

what need have we of government if it's really just a war of each against all?

Because social contract, because taxes, because coercive institutions, because monopoly on violence blah blah blah

[Dr. MD MD]

Trump is playing 6D chess again.  He is just distancing himself from the investigation/prosecution. As well, he is not wanting Obama to pardon her for anything before he is out of business.  Trump will be making 6D chess moves until Jan.20  Don't take anything said until then as written in stone.  Think a few more moves ahead.

I really hope that's all it is because listening to Kellyanne trying to jump through hoops to explain this was disgusting and she seemed really uncomfortable doing it.

[chefist]

I really hope that's all it is because listening to Kellyanne trying to jump through hoops to explain this was disgusting and she seemed really uncomfortable doing it.

Better to keep it at arm's length like Obama n Holder did to Bush for 4 years...more leverage...

[Juan]

Hillary will never be prosecuted.  She still has the FBI files.

[albrecht]

Presidents have always made promises that they tried and failed to keep during their time in office. Trump, however, is already the exception. He isn't even in office yet and he is already starting to abandon many or most of his promises to his enthusiastic supporters: specifically, the wall, massive deportations, withdrawing from climate change agreements, repealing and replacing Obamacare and prosecuting Hillary.

His vague explanation, in his latest interview with the New York Times, is that he just said all that stuff because he was campaigning -- IOW, he only said what he did to get elected. I have no trouble believing that. The question now (and the question all along for those who didn't buy his act) is, how his actual beliefs and priorities, whatever they are beyond his personal interests, will affect the decisions he'll make in office.

He's a wild card and as unpredictable as ever, which should please anyone who enjoys the kind of chaos that can cause. Still, he's bound to disappoint a bunch of people who were expecting him to at least try to keep his promises, not immediately abandon them. This period is like your first week at Trump U, when you start to suspect that you've been had.

I'm laughing because so many in the media and Hollywood thought the country was electing Hitler and some on the far, far right also thought that, maybe, they were. Even though the evidence was so obvious we weren't. Of course Trump is going to tamp down, negotiate, or even maybe change. He is a businessman; not some manic ideologue as portrayed by Hillary's media. And although left kept fretting giving examples of "Jews who helped Hitler" "Jews who helped Stalin" and "looked how that turned out" etc they never acknowledged that some of the key campaign advisors (most key if you believe the recent Forbes article) are ((()))s, to use the apparent internet parlance (family of holocaust victims,) homosexual, etc.

The points were many felt anybody is better than Clinton and at least there is a chance at change or at minimum poke a stick in the eye of Hollywood, experts in Ivory Towers, and the media who have no idea of what "the man in the street" thinks or might be going through. Hillary promised to throw open the border, seek some kind of gun grab or ban, and exacerbate tensions with Russia and further destabilize the Middle East (and take in the Muslim refugees.) AND promised to increase taxes and regulations. With Trump, at a minimum, we, likely, won't have all of that stuff (at least on a Hillary level) and it is a "win" even if that so-called "progress" is stopped, even for a bit.

[analog kid]

Wake the fuck up!  :

It's sounds radical doesn't it.

Find the specific law that she broke, reference that with the conclusion of the FBI's investigation, explain why the Republican Congress, who have been after her for 30 years, conceded to it and ended the hearings there.

There is no way she could be indicted for anything, and you have been listening to fake news for a year and a half.

[=Schlyder=]

Yesterday Trump called in the press, having them thinking it was to discuss future access etc... and then he tore them new assholes.  LOL  Then he cancelled a meeting with the NY Times. Now he is leaking he isn't going to slam Hillary...   (like hell he isn't LOL )   He is trolling the establishment at will.
You guys keep forgetting he is the 6D chess master.  He isn't going to keep everyone off balance until after Jan 20. Sit back.. pop some popcorn, and enjoy 57 more days of master trolling.

[Dr. MD MD]

It's sounds radical doesn't it.

Find the specific law that she broke, reference that with the conclusion of the FBI's investigation, explain why the Republican Congress, who have been after her for 30 years, conceded to it and ended the hearings there.

There is no way she could be indicted for anything, and you have been listening to fake news for a year and a half.

No offense but you're too low info to be part of the adult conversation. If you want to be part of it go read through the Wikileaks releases and then get back to me. Otherwise, fuck off! The only fake news lately has been the mainstream news.

[Rix Gins]

So, he's going to backtrack on prosecuting Hillary now. Fuck him if he doesn't follow through on this! I'll be voting Democratic again the first chance I get. 

Savage had an interesting theory about the prosecuting Hillary turn-around on his show today. Remember late election night when that weirdo spokesman came out and told all the assembled Dems. to go home and get a good nights sleep and be back tomorrow because we are going to fight tooth and nail until every vote has been counted, etc.?  The guy left the stage and literally in minutes word was received that Hillary had conceded the election to Donald by phone.  In a classic case of behind the scenes intrigue, Hillary had called Donald with an offer.  She wouldn't fight the election results  (through long, drawn out court proceedings, etc.) and would admit defeat as long as Donald wouldn't prosecute her.  According to the theory, Donald accepted the offer.     

[chefist]

Yesterday Trump called in the press, having them thinking it was to discuss future access etc... and then he tore them new assholes.  LOL  Then he cancelled a meeting with the NY Times. Now he is leaking he isn't going to slam Hillary...   (like hell he isn't LOL )   He is trolling the establishment at will.

He proved they are irrelevant... however, their corporate masters don't care if they make a profit. They are an advertising expense for the establishment.