President Donald J. Trump

[GuerrillaUnReal]

You are delusional.  You show that routinely.

The issue is that he benefited from a rule that allowed him to claim $900 million in tax loss carry forward and yet you 'think' that he's running for President because he's suddenly now all against these sorts of rules.

And you're not delusional?

Why is it bad to use the rules to benefit you? This is the most retarded logic the left has come up with yet. A quarter of a century ago this guy didn't do anything illegal or unethical but we're going to create a pathetic strawman argument around it because we have nothing else.

[CornyCrow]

That's not my idea and I don't think Jesus Christ saw it that way either.

Some denominations may structure their beliefs in a manner you described, but that has not been my experience.

I was raised Catholic and can certainly relate to the guilt. Today I am non-denominational. If you read the New Testament, I don't believe guilt is a tenet. For me, belief and acceptance removed guilt, not caused it. The difference, I guess, is that today I believe I have been forgiven for all my sins. Even the ones I will commit tomorrow.

There were days a long time ago that I might have agreed with you.

I was thinking of the people who put the religion together, made the decisions of which books to incorporate in the bible and which to leave out, which holidays to celebrate.  They were clever.

After Christ died there were many 'Christian' sects formed, and because they were isolated tribes they had differing beliefs.  Some say the Essenes were one of these cults, who did not believe in marriage and family.  The religion probably would have gone by the wayside, had not one group seen a power grabbing advantage in unifying those cults and incorporationg some pagan beliefs to make one, universal (the meaning of catholic), religion. 

[GuerrillaUnReal]

You are delusional.  You show that routinely.

The issue is that he benefited from a rule that allowed him to claim $900 million in tax loss carry forward and yet you 'think' that he's running for President because he's suddenly now all against these sorts of rules.

Either way though, it's just more evidence you're a total moron.

And you're not delusional?

You also claimed that you understand how business works, yet cited a story about changes in real estate business tax rules that clearly had nothing do with the tax rules Trump used here.  In that case though, I think you didn't actually read the story.

Either way though, it's more evidence you're a complete moron.

Don't get triggered sugar pop, the day just began. It would be a shame for it to go to shit for you this early. 

[136 or 142]

Why is it bad to use the rules to benefit you? This is the most retarded logic the left has come up with yet. A quarter of a century ago this guy didn't do anything illegal or unethical but we're going to create a pathetic strawman argument around it because we have nothing else.

You're the retarded Trumptard who supports Trump because you 'think' he's going to shake up the system.  If you're not against tax rules like these, what exactly are you hoping he'll shake up?

And, even more relevant, what evidence do you have that his reason for running for the Presidency is because he wants to shake up the system, as opposed to to wanting to gain further personal benefit by being President? As that is actually how he has operated his entire life.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

You're the retarded Trumptard who supports Trump because you 'think' he's going to shake up the system.  If you're not against tax rules like these, what exactly are you hoping he'll shake up?

And, even more relevant, what evidence do you have that his reason for running for the Presidency is because he wants to shake up the system, as opposed to reaping further personal benefit by being President, which is actually how he has operated his entire life?

You want me to get mad at Trump for taking advantage of Clinton created tax laws? You want me to vote for Clinton because she'll supposedly fix Clinton created tax laws? 

Oh man, this is the hardest I've laughed all morning. 

Maybe you should like, I don't know... read? Read his tax plan and economics approach. I know you won't because then you couldn't maintain this ignorance cocoon you're in on a daily basis here but you asked the question.

[136 or 142]

You want me to get mad at Trump for taking advantage of Clinton created tax laws? You want me to vote for Clinton because she'll supposedly fix Clinton created tax laws? 

Oh man, this is the hardest I've laughed all morning. 

Maybe you should like, I don't know... read? Read his tax plan and economics approach. I know you won't because then you couldn't maintain this ignorance cocoon you're in on a daily basis here but you asked the question.

You're trying to bate me on the "Clinton tax laws" YOU PIECE OF SHIT.

I've read his tax plan and economics approach in his campaign platform.  Surely somebody with you expertise of how business operates would recognize it's gibberish.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

You're trying to bate me on the "Clinton tax laws" YOU PIECE OF SHIT.

I've read his tax plan and economics approach.  Surely somebody with you expertise of how business operates would recognize it's gibberish.

How is it bait (why did you spell it bate? was that freudian?) when it's a simple question you won't answer?

Again, why do you think I should vote for Hillary Clinton on the basis that Trump is intelligent enough to use Clinton created tax loops while doing nothing illegal or immoral?

[136 or 142]

How is it bait (why did you spell it bate? was that freudian?) when it's a simple question you won't answer?

What question is that?

[Yorkshire pud]

You're mad that I'm not delusional and parroting the same hivemind bullshit as HillShills on here?

Mad? Not at all; more pitying. But if you chose to believe what is in front of your lying eyes, that's up to you; just know that Trump has no affinity in any way with you. He'd run over you before stopping.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

Mad? Not at all; more pitying. But if you chose to believe what is in front of your lying eyes, that's up to you; just know that Trump has no affinity in any way with you. He'd run over you before stopping.

That's some deep psychological analysis on an internet message board that's devoted to the man from Martinez. 

[CornyCrow]

Clinton has bigger problems. Besides her and Bill are poor dirt farmers who are just trying to eek out an existence after they left the White House broke and destitute

So I'm supposed to be mad about Trump taking advantage of a law Clinton signed into effect while Trump has done nothing illegal or unethical?

You might think the truth - that the entire purpose of Trump's life has been to enrich his coffers and this little presidency stunt is no different.  He will not put his holdings in a blind trust.  That should tell you that he will manipulate his office to influence his fortune.  There is nothing wrong with making money, but this country should have much clearer lines when it comes to mixing politics and business.  No wonder the guy admires Putin.  He wants to turn the US into the same sort of country.  Is that REALLY what you want?   

[136 or 142]

How is it bait (why did you spell it bate? was that freudian?) when it's a simple question you won't answer?

Again, why do you think I should vote for Hillary Clinton on the basis that Trump is intelligent enough to use Clinton created tax loops while doing nothing illegal or immoral?

I never told you to vote for anybody.  I'm claiming (and with solid evidence to back it up) that your 'reasoning' for supporting Trump is delusional.

[Yorkshire pud]

That's some deep psychological analysis on an internet message board that's devoted to the man from Martinez. 

Trump moves in nefarious though mysterious ways.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

You might think the truth - that the entire purpose of Trump's life has been to enrich his coffers and this little presidency stunt is no different.  He will not put his holdings in a blind trust.  That should tell you that he will manipulate his office to influence his fortune.  There is nothing wrong with making money, but this country should have much clearer lines when it comes to mixing politics and business.  No wonder the guy admires Putin.  He wants to turn the US into the same sort of country.  Is that REALLY what you want?

We're watching pro wrestling. I'd rather have the guy who isn't owned by Saudi Arabians, bankers and corporations and hasn't displayed a stunning track record of corruption and incompetence.

[136 or 142]

We're watching pro wrestling. I'd rather have the guy who isn't owned by Saudi Arabians, bankers and corporations and hasn't displayed a stunning track record of corruption and incompetence.

Trump's entire (adult) life is nothing but a stunning track record of corruption and incompetence.  Trump also seems to be owned by Chinese and Russian bankers and corporations.  Likely one of the reasons he won't release his tax returns, so this can't be confirmed.

And you're not delusional?

[Yorkshire pud]

We're watching pro wrestling. I'd rather have the guy who isn't owned by Saudi Arabians, bankers and corporations and hasn't displayed a stunning track record of corruption and incompetence.

In contrast to a guy whose only foreign political leader supporters are despotic dictators of former or current natural enemies to the USA? Whose businesses have shipped US jobs abroad to China and Yemen (that's Arab to you) companies-you know how he's railed against shipping jobs abroad? Yeah?

[136 or 142]

In contrast to a guy whose only foreign political leader supporters are despotic dictators of former or current natural enemies to the USA? Whose businesses have shipped US jobs abroad to China and Yemen (that's Arab to you) companies-you know how he's railed against shipping jobs abroad? Yeah?

Trump is running for President because he hated having to ship jobs overseas and he wants to put an end to... I can't finish writing that, I can't stop laughing.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

In contrast to a guy whose only foreign political leader supporters are despotic dictators of former or current natural enemies to the USA? Whose businesses have shipped US jobs abroad to China and Yemen (that's Arab to you) companies-you know how he's railed against shipping jobs abroad? Yeah?

Despotic dictators of former or current natural enemies who shipped their US Jobs to China and Yemen? 

[Yorkshire pud]

Donald Trump’s appeal is said to be his straight talk. But when it comes to international trade, he sounds like a hypocrite, the classic “Do what I say, not what I do” politician.

While bashing companies for investing in foreign countries, Donald Trump’s own company has shown no inclination to invest and build only in America. In fact, a significant percentage of his company’s hotels and major real estate properties are located abroad.

“Mr. Trump is either inexcusably hypocritical or inexcusably ignorant of economics,” according to Donald J. Boudreaux, a professor of economics at George Mason University. “There is zero economic difference between, say, a U.S. car company’s investments abroad in factories and Mr. Trump’s own investments abroad in hotels: both are meant to improve the bottom line of companies headquartered in the U.S. by taking advantage of profitable economic opportunities outside of the U.S.”


Yet a staple of Trump the candidate’s speeches has been to bash Ford Motor for building a plant in Mexico. “Trump has repeatedly said that if elected, he would not allow Ford to open a new plant in Mexico,”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2015/08/17/trump-the-hypocrite-investing-overseas-fine-for-him/#40e52b9e936b

[Yorkshire pud]

Despotic dictators of former or current natural enemies who shipped their US Jobs to China and Yemen? 

Oh bless you; posting little Nigel's picture (He's a multi millionaire, but you knew that, right?) in order to , erm what? Show how he ran away after the vote went in his favour although he wasn't ready to pull on the big boys pants and stand for the courage of his convictions? He couldn't get away soon enough could Nigel. Cowardice of the most pathetic kind.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

Donald Trump’s appeal is said to be his straight talk. But when it comes to international trade, he sounds like a hypocrite, the classic “Do what I say, not what I do” politician.

While bashing companies for investing in foreign countries, Donald Trump’s own company has shown no inclination to invest and build only in America. In fact, a significant percentage of his company’s hotels and major real estate properties are located abroad.

“Mr. Trump is either inexcusably hypocritical or inexcusably ignorant of economics,” according to Donald J. Boudreaux, a professor of economics at George Mason University. “There is zero economic difference between, say, a U.S. car company’s investments abroad in factories and Mr. Trump’s own investments abroad in hotels: both are meant to improve the bottom line of companies headquartered in the U.S. by taking advantage of profitable economic opportunities outside of the U.S.”


Yet a staple of Trump the candidate’s speeches has been to bash Ford Motor for building a plant in Mexico. “Trump has repeatedly said that if elected, he would not allow Ford to open a new plant in Mexico,”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2015/08/17/trump-the-hypocrite-investing-overseas-fine-for-him/#40e52b9e936b

Again, why is he supposed to not make smart deals or investments? If you had the potential to make a significant profit on an investment outside of your country, are you not supposed to do it?

Also, it's disingenuous to compare real estate development to car building. One is predicated upon location and opportunity and the other can be done virtually anywhere. What Trump is talking about doing is removing the incentive for business to go out of the country and repeal a lot of the retarded business taxes and law that inhibit business.

[GuerrillaUnReal]

Oh bless you; posting little Nigel's picture (He's a multi millionaire, but you knew that, right?) in order to , erm what? Show how he ran away after the vote went in his favour although he wasn't ready to pull on the big boys pants and stand for the courage of his convictions? He couldn't get away soon enough could Nigel. Cowardice of the most pathetic kind.

I'm noticing a theme on this board. All the bitching seems to center around money and peoples' negativity towards it which i find psychologically fascinating.

Is Nigel a despotic dictator of former or current natural enemies of the United States who shipped their US Jobs to China and Yemen?

[GuerrillaUnReal]

I believe my work here is done for the morning.

[136 or 142]

I believe my work here is done for the morning.

Yes, you've once again demonstrated forcibly to old and young alike that you're a complete moron.  The Shadow (and everybody else) knows.

[analog kid]

I believe my work here is done for the morning.

Scurry back to /r/the_donald to get more talking points.

[analog kid]

Maybe you should like, I don't know... read? Read his tax plan and economics approach. I know you won't because then you couldn't maintain this ignorance cocoon you're in on a daily basis here but you asked the question.

As the New York Times reported last month, Donald Trump has proposed even more tax loopholes for real estate developers like himself. This would cost taxpayers $1 trillion. As the Times said, "Even conservative Republican tax experts have denounced the specific real estate measures Mr. Trump has outlined."

As the Wall Street Journal reported about these plans, "Donald Trump’s emerging tax plan could benefit leveraged real-estate companies like the one he runs with new and substantial subsidies."

The Washington Post headline doesn't mince words: "Donald Trump’s new tax plan could have a big winner: Donald Trump’s companies."

[Juan]

They're both horrible.  I'm left with trying to decide which will fuck me over least.

[Yorkshire pud]

I'm noticing a theme on this board. All the bitching seems to center around money and peoples' negativity towards it which i find psychologically fascinating.

Nope; it isn't. Its the negativity towards the hypocrisy of those who claim (Farage, Johnson and Trump) to be 'one of you', or just 'normal run of the mill kinda guys', and get on the platform of anti establishment and anti corporate; but conveniently overlook that they're just the same as the target of their condemnation, and sadly such as you fall for it.

Is Nigel a despotic dictator of former or current natural enemies of the United States who shipped their US Jobs to China and Yemen?

Nooo; he's a wanker. Trump would be the despot if he was POTUS, or at least attempt to be. Funny you have no comment on the foreign despots who support him..

[chefist]

LOLZ...NYT didn't pay tax in 2014 either....

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2016/10/02/new-york-times-paid-no-taxes-2014/

[Donald Noory]

Trump surrogates are liars just like their candidate...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_TxsEDw648