President Donald J. Trump

[analog kid]

^^ Yeah, personal insults should only be for people who deserve it, like falkie.

[Humilia Lepus Foramen]

So what if he likes the Bible?  He doesn't seem particularly religious, nor have I ever heard of him advocating for a theocracy.  He certainly is no George Bush.  The left talks a good game on tolerance, but the moment Christianity is mentioned, their fangs really come out.

This is more a defense of religious tolerance than Trump.  Don't you realize the important role Christianity played in the Civil Rights movement?  Many progressives, particularly minorities, also identify as Christian, so you're not doing yourselves any favors by attacking a religion adhered to by many in your own movement.

[PaulAtreides]

Another excuse.

[mikuthing01]

I normally let people stand up for themselves here, but 21st Century Man may have meant that he doesn't believe that Trump's favorite book is the Bible.

Hillary is above Pandering

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ESQvJ-qlsk

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So what if he likes the Bible?  He doesn't seem particularly religious, nor have I ever heard of him advocating for a theocracy.  He certainly is no George Bush.  The left talks a good game on tolerance, but the moment Christianity is mentioned, their fangs really come out.

This is more a defense of religious tolerance than Trump.  Don't you realize the important role Christianity played in the Civil Rights movement?  Many progressives, particularly minorities, also identify as Christian, so you're not doing yourselves any favors by attacking a religion adhered to by many in your own movement.

I'm not sure what your point is.  If somebody identifies as a Christian they can't be criticized for their public positions?

[Humilia Lepus Foramen]

I'm not sure what your point is.  If somebody identifies as a Christian they can't be criticized for their public positions?

If that's all it was, it's fine, but I notice a subtext to many of the posts that are dismissive of him and his supporters for their religious beliefs.

[CornyCrow]

So what if he likes the Bible?  He doesn't seem particularly religious, nor have I ever heard of him advocating for a theocracy.  He certainly is no George Bush.  The left talks a good game on tolerance, but the moment Christianity is mentioned, their fangs really come out.

This is more a defense of religious tolerance than Trump.  Don't you realize the important role Christianity played in the Civil Rights movement?  Many progressives, particularly minorities, also identify as Christian, so you're not doing yourselves any favors by attacking a religion adhered to by many in your own movement.

I think the left has fangs for any religion that tries to interject into our civic life.  They'd be just as angry at Muslims if they had the power that Christians do in this country. 

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If that's all it was, it's fine, but I notice a subtext to many of the posts that are dismissive of him and his supporters for their religious beliefs.

I'm sure some of that may be over the line, but I think it's fair to look at what the Bible says and ask his supporters how they can reconcile their religious views with their support for him.

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I think the left has fangs for any religion that tries to interject into our civic life.  They'd be just as angry at Muslims if they had the power that Christians do in this country.

Maybe.  I think a lot on the left got genuinely angry when the right started to claim Christianity as their own.

[GravitySucks]

Maybe.  I think a lot on the left got genuinely angry when the right started to claim Christianity as their own.

Or maybe when they realized they were called the right for a reason.

[CornyCrow]

Maybe.  I think a lot on the left got genuinely angry when the right started to claim Christianity as their own.

You have a point.  If you actually study Christ's words, he seems to be a leftist.

[Humilia Lepus Foramen]

I think the left has fangs for any religion that tries to interject into our civic life.  They'd be just as angry at Muslims if they had the power that Christians do in this country.

Oh how I wish that was true.  Richard Dawkins was not allowed to attend a scheduled conference because he simply retweeted a video that lampooned how there is a segment within feminism that seems very accommodating to Islamism. (fwiw I think moderate Islam is fine, I studied the five pillars and some of their other teachings, it's just when it gets to advocating sharia that I draw the line).

[albrecht]

I think the left has fangs for any religion that tries to interject into our civic life.  They'd be just as angry at Muslims if they had the power that Christians do in this country.

Though they also have some deep seeded hatred of it I think mainly you are correct. They will also use the violence of Muslims (or disaffected minority, youth, or illegals) to try to "bring down the system" but will find that the Muslims they let in once a decent, but still small, percentage of the population that they will not change their ways or be happy with just attending a mosque but will practice their peace on them. It would seem a suicidal strategy- but to committed leftists the destruction of Western Civilian is more important that even protecting themselves or their children from rape, beheadings, terrorism, shootings, etc. (Though the rich leftists and Hollywood-types, of course, are relatively protected by their personal borders, armed guards, gated communities, etc.)

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Or maybe when they realized they were called the right for a reason.

It's a term derived from the British Parliament.

[albrecht]

It's a term derived from the British Parliament.

I thought the term derived from the National Assembly after the French Revolution on where people sat.

[GravitySucks]

It's a term derived from the British Parliament.

It started in the National Assembly during the French Revolution in the late 1700's.

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It started in the National Assembly during the French Revolution in the late 1700's.

You are correct. I thought it was the British Parliament.

[Donald Noory]

[albrecht]

It started in the National Assembly during the French Revolution in the late 1700's.

We are correct. Hillary shills often didn't pay attention in school, it would seem. Though I think now, maybe always, it is not as clear cut as left/right and lots of competing, and sometimes, common interests and cross-over. And of course the ever present confusing terminology "conservative," "liberal," and Party names meaning different things in different places. For example, like since when is "red" considered a conservative or Republican color? Except our media decided to make it so with "Red State" this, etc. Considering politics as the "left" considers gender or sexuality- a spectrum and often with strange bedfellows. 

[Donald Noory]

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We are correct. Hillary shills often didn't pay attention in school, it would seem. Though I think now, maybe always, it is not as clear cut as left/right and lots of competing, and sometimes, common interests and cross-over. And of course the ever present confusing terminology "conservative," "liberal," and Party names meaning different things in different places. For example, like since when is "red" considered a conservative or Republican color? Except our media decided to make it so with "Red State" this, etc. Considering politics as the "left" considers gender or sexuality- a spectrum and often with strange bedfellows. 

I tended to pay more attention to the concepts and not as much attention to the names and dates.

[analog kid]

I'm sure some of that may be over the line, but I think it's fair to look at what the Bible says and ask his supporters how they can reconcile their religious views with their support for him.

70% of his base are evangelicals, who for 2000 years have been waiting vigilantly for the Great Deceiver, the fake Christian who will lead them away from God and bring about the End Times,



and this jagnut waltzes right past them.

[Donald Noory]

We are correct. Hillary shills often didn't pay attention in school, it would seem. Though I think now, maybe always, it is not as clear cut as left/right and lots of competing, and sometimes, common interests and cross-over. And of course the ever present confusing terminology "conservative," "liberal," and Party names meaning different things in different places. For example, like since when is "red" considered a conservative or Republican color? Except our media decided to make it so with "Red State" this, etc. Considering politics as the "left" considers gender or sexuality- a spectrum and often with strange bedfellows. 

[albrecht]

I tended to pay more attention to the concepts and not as much attention to the names and dates.

I can understand that and the way much of the stuff is taught now is less memorizing or knowledge of dates/names but more about social trends and vague patterns, sort of the bottom-up instead of the top-down approach. I think a mix would be a better way, still learn about the "great man" and learn important dates and wars but also the broader social developments and societal changes, etc.

[Donald Noory]

[mikuthing01]

70% of his base are evangelicals, who for 2000 years have been waiting vigilantly for the Great Deceiver, the fake Christian who will lead them away from God and bring about the End Times,



and this jagnut waltzes right past them.

Most evangelicals don't like trump that's why hes pandering he needs to win them over. They wanted Ted Cruz and are salty because he lost.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zDmURYy2hs

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TRUMP in IOWA: "Raise your hand if you're NOT a Christian conservative. I want to see that. There's a few of them. Should we keep them?"

[Donald Noory]

[GravitySucks]

We are correct. Hillary shills often didn't pay attention in school, it would seem. Though I think now, maybe always, it is not as clear cut as left/right and lots of competing, and sometimes, common interests and cross-over. And of course the ever present confusing terminology "conservative," "liberal," and Party names meaning different things in different places. For example, like since when is "red" considered a conservative or Republican color? Except our media decided to make it so with "Red State" this, etc. Considering politics as the "left" considers gender or sexuality- a spectrum and often with strange bedfellows. 

Labels are only important to those that wish to divide and conquer, or control and manipulate.

If one happens to believe in a limited federal government, adherence to the constitution and fiscal restraint, they have to be given a label. There are plenty of conservative-minded people that believe in those three tenets, yet hold a wide range of religious beliefs, including aetheists and agnostics.

If you want an exercise in examining how pervasive labels have become in our society, try writing a couple of sentences like those above without using a label.

The problem today is that the federal government has become a behemoth that has blurred the lines of what the labels right/left or liberal/conservative were originally used for. Both parties have entrenched themselves into protectionist positions to maintain the status quo of power and control. The difference is only a matter of degree.  Hence attempts to develop third parties such as Libertarian and Constitutional parties. Or even the Socialist and Communist parties. At the end of the day though, at least today at the federal level, we are left with two choices.

Read the party platforms and ignore the candidates (Yes I know how ridiculous that sounds). Just based on the party platforms, I know who I would be voting for/voting against.

[Donald Noory]