President Donald J. Trump

[Yorkshire pud]

Fuck ideology.  He get’s shit done.

For him, sure. He only looks as far as his next round of golf. He's put in place the very opponents of the departments they oversee or have a vested interest (personally). His motivation is to simply undo anything Obama did. Whether it was good or bad. Having no ideology with vision and just having the mentality of throwing the toys out of the pram isn't the workings of a mature or reasoned adult.

[Yorkshire pud]

Exactly. The only ideology that republicans and democrats seem to both be committed to is re-election.

Welcome to politics! All political 'careers' end in failure, death or retirement. Trump has no political ideology because his life to now has been about Trump doing what he at the moment thinks is best for Trump, he has no strategic thought. Why should he change now?

[GravitySucks]

Welcome to politics! All political 'careers' end in failure, death or retirement. Trump has no political ideology because his life to now has been about Trump doing what he at the moment thinks is best for Trump, he has no strategic thought. Why should he change now?

You still haven’t answered Pye’s question. Go back and read her original post.

[pate]

I find defecating in the polling booth to be an effective way of communicating that one doesn’t like the choices.

I'm still pissed about that election...  There aren't booths in my polling place, just folding tables with privacy screens on top of them.  I don't think I could "drop trou" in front of everyone like that.

Kansas City’s streetcar hasn’t won over all of its critics.


In fact, opponents are suing to challenge a vote to create another transportation development district to extend the streetcar to Country Club Plaza. Kansas City attorney Sherry DeJanes is leading the lawsuit.


She is not a fan of the streetcar.


“It makes a mess of traffic,” she said. “It has created havoc with the bus lines. The costs were not fully disclosed. It has caused uneven distribution of city resources. ... Pouring this much money into this kind of project siphons money away from other projects.”


DeJanes noted that very few developments in the downtown streetcar district have occurred without tax-increment financing, tax abatement or both. She said those subsidies, not the streetcar, are attracting developers.


“We are not opposed to transit,” DeJanes said. “But this is not transit. Our transportation needs are from the east section of Kansas City to the center on out to the suburbs where our employment centers are.”

It is difficult finding any stories about the opposition to this streetcar in the Fake News.  I guess I have to suck it up and pay yet another tax...

[PB the Deplorable]

You don't get it do you? Trump has no ideology, neither left or right. His 'loyalty' is to himself and only himself, and he expects that from everyone else...

That's what everyone's not getting?  That's the problem you have with him?  Not that he's a Conservative, or a Left winger, but that he makes decisions on issues based on his perspective of their merits instead of ideology?

Oh, and he demands loyalty, unlike every other president we've had, and unlike every other world leader.

Wow, shocking stuff.  Now that you've pointed it out, I'm scandalized.   

[Dr. MD MD]

In fairness they have rendezvous problems. MD never leaves his basement and Kidnostad refuses to visit him. So they have to conduct their assignations in virtual reality.

And pud is a mental midget who runs around like screaming The sky is falling! The sky is falling!! but if you call him on the fact that it never comes true he'll call you a racist.  

[PB the Deplorable]

Haven't the Left been bleating about ''labels'' for decades now, and how they don't like them?  Not that they aren't goose-stepping ideologues and can't be labeled, but that the labels that fit their agenda are massively unpopular and they don't want people to know who they really are.

Trump's background is that of a New York liberal.  He's one of the few who hasn't unwittingly just bobbed along while the left wing fascist ''Progressives'' slowly hijacked the Democrat Party over the past couple of decades.  His tendencies remain what most Americans agree with, and what both parties supported in the not so distant past - controlling the borders, having an immigration policy that benefits this country, having trade agreements that benefit this country, appointing judges that follow the Constitution instead of left wing ideology, implementing policies that benefit American families, workers, and businesses (you know, the economy) and so on. 

All of that is simply no longer acceptable to the DC Democrats and their Media toadies.  So now Trump gets bashed because he's not ideological.  That's right, he's not.  What he is is an American - and former Democrat - who hasn't been fooled by Nancy Pelosi and the Fake Media.

[Dr. MD MD]

Haven't the Left been bleating about ''labels'' for decades now?  Not that they aren't ideologues, and can't be labeled, but that the labels given their agenda are unpopular and they don't want people to know who they really are.

Trump's background is that of a New York liberal.  He's one of the few who hasn't gone along with the left wing fascist ''Progressives'' hijacking the Democrat Party.  His tendencies are what most Americans agree with, and what both parties supported in the not so distant past - controlling the borders, having an immigration policy that benefits this country, having trade agreements that benefit this country, appointing judges that follow the Constitution instead of left wing ideology, implementing policies that benefit American families, workers, and businesses - the economy - and so on. 

All of that is simply no longer acceptable to the DC Democrats and their Media toadies.  So now Trump gets bashed because he's not ideological.  That's right, he's not.  What he is is an American who hasn't been fooled by the Fake Media.  The surprise about that is that he's, or at least was, a liberal

Let him go! He's too stupid to realize it ain't working anymore. 

[Yorkshire pud]

That's what everyone's not getting?  That's the problem you have with him?  Not that he's a Conservative, or a Left winger, but that he makes decisions on issues based on his perspective of their merits instead of ideology?

Nope. But for Trumpers to claim he has any political insight or vision is deluding themselves.

Oh, and he demands loyalty, unlike every other president we've had, and unlike every other world leader.

Really? Thatcher had cabinet members who couldn't stand her, but were capable. Same with Blair and John Major; They appointed those they considered would do the job not just lick their arses. Trump first and foremost demands loyalty to him, and not the best interests of the country. A bit like an emperor.

Wow, shocking stuff.  Now that you've pointed it out, I'm scandalized.

No you're not, but we both know you sure as hell would be saying similar to me if he'd been a Democratic POTUS and not Republican.

[Yorkshire pud]

And pud is a mental midget who runs around like screaming The sky is falling! The sky is falling!! but if you call him on the fact that it never comes true he'll call you a racist.  

That's the problem with you, you're too hasty to need instant gratification. If it doesn't happen in the next five minutes it never will. A bit like when you're snorting a line eh?

[Dr. MD MD]

Nope. But for Trumpers to claim he has any political insight or vision is deluding themselves.

Really? Thatcher had cabinet members who couldn't stand her, but were capable. Same with Blair and John Major; They appointed those they considered would do the job not just lick their arses. Trump first and foremost demands loyalty to him, and not the best interests of the country. A bit like an emperor.

No you're not, but we both know you sure as hell would be saying similar to me if he'd been a Democratic POTUS and not Republican.

You're the one who's deluded...and clearly traumatized. Get this guy some playdoh, STAT!

[Dr. MD MD]

That's the problem with you, you're too hasty to need instant gratification. If it doesn't happen in the next five minutes it never will. A bit like when you're snorting a line eh?

And you're problem is that you think the world will wait for you while you finish screwing the pooch. We won't.

P.S.  I don't do cocaine but you're addicted to the worst drug ever: narcissism. 

[Gd5150]

Fuck ideology.  He get’s shit done.

Well yeah, because he’s not a professional politician, he’s a private sector business man and when you live in the real world you only succeed if you get shit done. He’s there, he’s going to get the train moving, and he’s leaving to go back to his real life that is 1000000000x more enjoyable than the bullshit he has to deal with in Washington from DC and the MSMedia. That’s the way the founding fathers intended it. Not the Senate who has people there for decades until they finally die. And wow they’re all worth 10s to 100s of millions when they leave.

In politics it’s all about getting re-elected. The professionals purposely don’t want to get anything done. Just want to give the appearance they are. They just want political issues they can milk for re-election. Everything the demokkkrats run on is some issue that’s been around since dinasaurs and will never be settled. Abortion is a classic example. It will never be taken away, and it will never be a constitutional amendment, and every year half their votes come from idiots who are told it’s under threat. Minimum wage is another one they roll out every 4 years. And equal pay. The imminent failure of social security and medicare are an establishment favorite.

[Yorkshire pud]

Haven't the Left been bleating about ''labels'' for decades now, and how they don't like them?  Not that they aren't goose-stepping ideologues and can't be labeled, but that the labels that fit their agenda are massively unpopular and they don't want people to know who they really are.

Trump's background is that of a New York liberal.  He's one of the few who hasn't unwittingly just bobbed along as the left wing fascist ''Progressives'' slowly hijacked the Democrat Party over the past couple of decades.  His tendencies remain what most Americans agree with,

Most? His popularity fluctuates between about 35-40%  : 

and what both parties supported in the not so distant past - controlling the borders, having an immigration policy that benefits this country, having trade agreements that benefit this country, appointing judges that follow the Constitution instead of left wing ideology, implementing policies that benefit American families, workers, and businesses (you know, the economy) and so on. 

All of that is simply no longer acceptable to the DC Democrats and their Media toadies.  So now Trump gets bashed because he's not ideological.  That's right, he's not.  What he is is an American - and former Democrat - who hasn't been fooled by Nancy Pelosi and the Fake Media.

Grab that bait!!! Ideology is your new talking point...Its one of his traits, not all of them. This fake media? Would that be the same media that announced that Flynn (then National security advisor) was a paid agent of foreign governments that ultimately led to his 'resignation' and then legal jeopardy? Yes, it would be..

[Yorkshire pud]

You're the one who's deluded...and clearly traumatized. Get this guy some playdoh, STAT!

So you wouldn't complain about Trump if he was a Democratic POTUS? 

[Dr. MD MD]

Most? His popularity fluctuates between about 35-40%  : 


Grab that bait!!! Ideology is your new talking point...Its one of his traits, not all of them. This fake media? Would that be the same media that announced that Flynn (then National security advisor) was a paid agent of foreign governments that ultimately led to his 'resignation' and then legal jeopardy? Yes, it would be..

[Yorkshire pud]

Well yeah, because he’s not a professional politician, he’s a private sector business man and when you live in the real world you only succeed if you get shit done. He’s there, he’s going to get the train moving, and he’s leaving to go back to his real life that is 1000000000x more enjoyable than the bullshit he has to deal with in Washington from DC and the MSMedia. That’s the way the founding fathers intended it. Not the Senate who has people there for decades until they finally die. And wow they’re all worth 10s to 100s of millions when they leave.

You'd be happy then that Trump was made king of America?

[Yorkshire pud]

I got nuthin.... 

Is that your best?

[Dr. MD MD]

So you wouldn't complain about Trump if he was a Democratic POTUS? 

You're just too stupid to understand anything beyond polemics and you don't even really understand that.  :

[Yorkshire pud]

You're just too stupid to understand anything beyond polemics and you don't even really understand that.  :

So you would be happy if Trump had been a Democratic POTUS? Because as Trumpers often say, he's a none politician...The party isn't an issue.

[Dr. MD MD]

So you would be happy if Trump had been a Democratic POTUS? Because as Trumpers often say, he's a none politician...The party isn't an issue.

I won't be happy until he orders the invasion of you're pathetic country of inbreds, pud.

[Yorkshire pud]

I won't be happy until he orders the invasion of you're pathetic country of inbreds, pud.

Oh we know about your leadership from the back... You can always claim heel spurs.

[Dr. MD MD]

Oh we know about your leadership from the back... You can always claim heel spurs.

It's worth it! 

[PB the Deplorable]

Nope. But for Trumpers to claim he has any political insight or vision is deluding themselves...

So it turns out the problem with Trump isn't that he's not ideological, you're fine with that, it's that his supporters think he's a Conservative?

What?

[SredniVashtar]

Well yeah, because he’s not a professional politician, he’s a private sector business man and when you live in the real world you only succeed if you get shit done.

Indeed, the Trump family motto: ’if at first you don't succeed, get your millionaire dad to bail you out, and screw up all over again.'

[PB the Deplorable]

Nope. But for Trumpers to claim he has any political insight or vision is deluding themselves.

Really? Thatcher had cabinet members who couldn't stand her, but were capable. Same with Blair and John Major; They appointed those they considered would do the job not just lick their arses. Trump first and foremost demands loyalty to him, and not the best interests of the country. A bit like an emperor.

No you're not, but we both know you sure as hell would be saying similar to me if he'd been a Democratic POTUS and not Republican.

What he's mostly done are things that that benefit this country, and has common sense positions on a range of issues that both parties used to support.  That people now claim those positions are Conservative is telling - as far as what the Democrat Party has turned into - although I understand the confusion since they actually are positions that only conservatives support now.

You and I have very different definitions of loyalty, when it comes to leaders.  Neither Trump, nor anyone else thinks those who report to him all like him.  Same with any leader, inside government or outside it.  What they need and demand are people who support their policies and carry them out, whether they agree with all of them or not.  There can only be one captain.

Just because you think Trump demands personal loyalty above all else doesn't make it true - you'll say anything to discredit Trump.

[Yorkshire pud]

So it turns out the problem with Trump isn't that he's not ideological, you're fine with that, it's that his supporters think he's a Conservative?

Why do you care that they think that about him?

I don't care what they think about him, but it's fun to point out their delusions...Incidentally you've been less than complementary about him, saying similar things about him as I do. Pot meet kettle.

[Dr. MD MD]

Indeed, the Trump family motto: ’if at first you don't succeed, get your millionaire dad to bail you out, and screw up all over again.'

It's better than let me rob you of your wealth while selling it to foreign interests.

[Dr. MD MD]

I don't care what they think about him, but it's fun to point out their delusions...Incidentally you've been less than complementary about him, saying similar things about him as I do. Pot meet kettle.

You're deluded!  :

[PB the Deplorable]

I don't care what they think about him, but it's fun to point out their delusions...Incidentally you've been less than complementary about him, saying similar things about him as I do. Pot meet kettle.

No, you said the problem with Trump that we aren't getting is he doesn't have an ideology, and that he demands loyalty:

You don't get it do you? Trump has no ideology, neither left or right. His 'loyalty' is to himself and only himself, and he expects that from everyone else...

Now that's not actually the problem, it's something else. 

I'm all ears