President Donald J. Trump

[Kidnostad3]

Ask the suckers at the Carrier plant in Indiana how Trump's rescue plan worked out for them.

Are you truly unaware of the many announcements by major corporations that they plan to build factories in the U.S?  Volvo was the latest to announce on Friday. You continue to give every indication that you are a total ignoramus who doesn’t know what’s going on in his own country and brings nothing to the table.

[GravitySucks]

The marks workers were all over social media last week complaining about their misfortune, saying they've been massively had.

Forgotten in the narrative was the millions Carrier got from Indiana taxpayers so it could send hundreds of jobs to the hated Mexico, and use the rest of the money to automate its factory with robots to get rid of the rest of the employees.

Typical Trump shakedown.

Seems like he saved 800 jobs http://www.ksdk.com/mobile/article/news/nation-now/indiana-carrier-plant-to-lay-off-215-workers-on-thursday/465-f1e9033e-991e-4e4d-a701-462d25f70337

Actually it says that it saved 800 union jobs but 1100 remain employed at the plant. It seems like he delivered on his promise.

[3OctaveFart]

Are you truly unaware of the many announcements by major corporations that they plan to build factories in the U.S?  Volvo was the latest to announce on Friday. You continue to give every indication that you are a total ignoramus who doesn’t know what’s going on in his own country and brings nothing to the table.

Shut the fuck up and show a smidge of common respect and maybe you'll get the honest debate you pathetically plead for around here.

Take note of GravitySucks' tone. It's possible to discuss these things dispassionately.

[Kidnostad3]

Shut the fuck up and show a smidge of common respect and maybe you'll get the honest debate you pathetically plead for around here.

Take note of GravitySucks' tone. It's possible to discuss these things dispassionately.

You jump in guns blazing after long hiatuses spouting your usual derisive condescending shit and then want to lecture me on being respectful.  Try going out and coming back again without the obnoxious attitude and knowing what you are talking about.  Until that happens, no quarter asked or given. 

[Dr. MD MD]

Shut the fuck up and show a smidge of common respect and maybe you'll get the honest debate you pathetically plead for around here.

Take note of GravitySucks' tone. It's possible to discuss these things dispassionately.

You're not dispassionate. :

[Dr. MD MD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ol9x4da5GE

[Gd5150]

Shut the fuck up and show a smidge of common respect

Take note of GravitySucks' tone. It's possible to discuss these things dispassionately.

Such a shame to watch the close minded leftwing lemming melt down as they become further detached from reality and get slapped in the face with facts.

Shut the fuck up

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the modern day leftwing “non-partisan”. Lmfao!!!! So cliche, So predictable. Leave them a rope, they hang themselves....next. Poor bastard.

[WOTR]

Apogees...

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In short,Yes.  I did once.

Cool story, Pate.

We use an electronic voting system in my precinct.

Thanks GS.  Kind of wondered how that worked...

[WOTR]

...They can start by naming off some things they like about Trump, and our country, to show they have an open mind,

FFS.  Are you really this fucking insecure?  America is the land that millions want to live in... But you need me to type up the positive aspects?  Is this kind of like the needy little girl who not only wants to hear that the jeans don't make her look fat, but wants to hear about what I consider to be her best attributes and be told how intelligent she is?

The kicker is that I could type up a list pages long.  And the fist time I point out a flaw or say that the jeans that America is wearing may not be slimming you will throw a hissy fit and cry that "that communist does not love me."

As for Trump- there are positives... But there are also a lot of negatives.  I'm not going to go into licking the ass of your hero.  I will say that I believe that he honestly wants to keep his election promises.  Agree with what he is doing, or disagree- he is one of the only modern politicians who is doing what he told his base supporters that he would.

[PB the Deplorable]

...  I will say that I believe that he honestly wants to keep his election promises.  Agree with what he is doing, or disagree- he is one of the only modern politicians who is doing what he told his base supporters that he would.

All the feigned panic over Trump by the DC and media elites is such crap.  It stuns me it's worked to the extent it has.

A big part of it - other than the shock of losing an election they thought they couldn't lose, and the rejection of the assumption their Party of Government should be the ones in power - is to send a message to any other non-politicians that they'd better not even think about running for office in the future, that this is the treatment they can expect.

[GravitySucks]

All the feigned panic over Trump by the DC and media elites is such crap.  It stuns me it's worked to the extent it has.

A big part of it - other than the shock of losing an election they thought they couldn't lose, and the rejection of the assumption their Party of Government should be the ones in power - is to send a message to any other non-politicians that they'd better not even think about running for office in the future, that this is the treatment they can expect.

A good example is the discussion I had earlier with 30octavefart. He started saying Carrier and Indiana was a big failure for Trump. But what I could find as late as 1/10/18 was he either saved 800 or 1100 jobs and in 2016 said he had saved 1000.  But to hear 30of talk it was a major fail, Carrier absconded with $7 million in tax savings and all the jobs went to Mexico.

http://www.ksdk.com/mobile/article/news/nation-now/indiana-carrier-plant-to-lay-off-215-workers-on-thursday/465-f1e9033e-991e-4e4d-a701-462d25f70337

But if you try and do a google search none of the media outlets reported on the success. I found it on a lical newssite.

[PB the Deplorable]

Even now ''Joe'' Kennedy and his toadies are drafting and redrafting his ''official response'' - desperately trying to piece together a plausible narrative about how working for the SEIU and handout America is actually ''fighting for the middle class''. 

With corrupt and stupid Maxine Waters ready to give her separate but equal speech to their other great constituency on BET.  (They don't need a separate speech specifically for the big city white liberal elite - the're so arrogant and convinced they can use the Ds to tell the rest of us how to run our lives that nothing would tear them away from the Party).

No doubt the various fake news outlets are working together coordinating these ''speeches'', and their ''responses'' to them. 

[PB the Deplorable]

A good example is the discussion I had earlier with 30octavefart. He started saying Carrier and Indiana was a big failure for Trump. But what I could find as late as 1/10/18 was he either saved 800 or 1100 jobs and in 2016 said he had saved 1000.  But to hear 30of talk it was a major fail, Carrier absconded with $7 million in tax savings and all the jobs went to Mexico.

http://www.ksdk.com/mobile/article/news/nation-now/indiana-carrier-plant-to-lay-off-215-workers-on-thursday/465-f1e9033e-991e-4e4d-a701-462d25f70337

But if you try and do a google search none of the media outlets reported on the success. I found it on a lical newssite.

There are a lot of posts I just skip over.

[GravitySucks]

Even now ''Joe'' Kennedy and his toadies are drafting and redrafting his ''official response'' - desperately trying to piece together a plausible narrative about how working for the SEIU and handout America is actually ''fighting for the middle class''. 

With corrupt and stupid Maxine Waters ready to give her separate but equal speech to their other great constituency on BET.  (They don't need a separate speech specifically for the big city white liberal elite - the're so arrogant and convinced they can use the Ds to tell the rest of us how to run our lives that nothing would tear them away from the Party).

No doubt the various fake news outlets are working together coordinating these ''speeches'', and their ''responses'' to them.

I wonder what the democrats budget is for focus groups and what the hourly wage is for attendance. You know they don’t pay more than the minimum- even when they are screaming for $15 an hour at the federal level.

[Gd5150]

FFS.  Are you really this fucking insecure?  America is the land that millions want to live in... But you need me to type up the positive aspects?  Is this kind of like the needy little girl who not only wants to hear that the jeans don't make her look fat, but wants to hear about what I consider to be her best attributes and be told how intelligent she is?

The kicker is that I could type up a list pages long.  And the fist time I point out a flaw or say that the jeans that America is wearing may not be slimming you will throw a hissy fit and cry that "that communist does not love me."

As for Trump- there are positives... But there are also a lot of negatives.  I'm not going to go into licking the ass of your hero.  I will say that I believe that he honestly wants to keep his election promises.  Agree with what he is doing, or disagree- he is one of the only modern politicians who is doing what he told his base supporters that he would.

Congrats, it’s called the art of persuasion. You learned something new today. My reasons why I wanted one of the lemmings here to do it were already stated.

Unfortunately it was preceded with typical whiny bitch nonsense which really wasn’t necessary as you were confirmed as one long ago. But hey, baby steps. Bravo.

As for licking ass, I’m sure Pud will be more than happy to entertain your desires.

[Dr. MD MD]

FFS.  Are you really this fucking insecure?  America is the land that millions want to live in... But you need me to type up the positive aspects?  Is this kind of like the needy little girl who not only wants to hear that the jeans don't make her look fat, but wants to hear about what I consider to be her best attributes and be told how intelligent she is?

The kicker is that I could type up a list pages long.  And the fist time I point out a flaw or say that the jeans that America is wearing may not be slimming you will throw a hissy fit and cry that "that communist does not love me."

I really don't think it's coming from insecurity. A significant percentage of the liberals on this board are Canadians or other foreigners that do nothing but crap on our nation and yet will try to tell you that globalism is just some sort of tinfoil hat stuff. The constant barrage of attacks is proof enough that it isn't.

A significant number of you also claim to be disgruntled conservatives or libertarians and yet never espouse or even sympathize with ANY corresponding policy. I think this is what he's pointing out and it's a legit criticism.

[Dr. MD MD]

As for Trump- there are positives... But there are also a lot of negatives.  I'm not going to go into licking the ass of your hero.  I will say that I believe that he honestly wants to keep his election promises.  Agree with what he is doing, or disagree- he is one of the only modern politicians who is doing what he told his base supporters that he would.

That's very white of you!

(That'll really trigger those liberal pussies )

[SredniVashtar]

I see.  So we're back to all Conservatives oppose all regulations.  It's simply not possible for people to be against the current size of the bureaucracy, the amount of power they've seized for themselves, and level of taxation, yet still support certain regulations.

When we oppose certain laws and regulations, the conclusion must always be that we also want to poison the air and water, and let kids and old people die.

If I believe a handful of companies now control access to what we see on the internet, are acting as censors due to political cronyism in exchange for favors, and support true net neutrality - which no one but the top executives of these companies opposed in the not so distant past - then I must be a hypocrite.

Yeah, ok, you got me

You're a hypocrite because you're not consistent. Your fundamental objection to anything more than limited government is that it leads to autocracy, but if more government serves your partisan interests then that's fine. You don't want these large companies broken up (which would at least be broadly consistent) you want them controlled from the top down. And however limited you might intend the role of government to be, it would only get more invasive as time went on. I don't think you have a single principle you're not prepared to toss overboard if it suited you at the time.

[Dr. MD MD]

You're a hypocrite because you're not consistent. Your fundamental objection to anything more than limited government is that it leads to autocracy, but if more government serves your partisan interests then that's fine. You don't want these large companies broken up (which would at least be broadly consistent) you want them controlled from the top down. And however limited you might intend the role of government to be, it would only get more invasive as time went on. I don't think you have a single principle you're not prepared to toss overboard if it suited you at the time.

[21st Century Man]

Really?! He changes his mind more than his underwear and really seems more interested in catty gossip than political thought but if you say so. I think I understand where your standards are now.  :

I've never changed my mind about any policy.  Name one policy that I've changed my mind on.  I've been consistent.  I've always had bad things to say and good things to say about Trump.

[PaulAtreides]

I haven't heard a word about Jared in weeks. What does this guy even do? Other than his deal artistry in the Mideast.

At least Bannon kept himself busy.

I believe wifey has told him enough of this shit and that he's too pretty to go to prison.

[PaulAtreides]

Nope, just wealthy enough to be able to do it...Whereas you can't.

Please don't talk about your wealth.  It just triggers the likes of MD MD and his ilk.

[PaulAtreides]

You're a pedophile from an island of inbreds.

This from a pedophile living with critters in the northwest pine forests.

[PaulAtreides]

Are you truly unaware of the many announcements by major corporations that they plan to build factories in the U.S?  Volvo was the latest to announce on Friday. You continue to give every indication that you are a total ignoramus who doesn’t know what’s going on in his own country and brings nothing to the table.

Volvo announced that factory years ago.  And it's owned by the Chinese. 

[Kidnostad3]

Volvo announced that factory years ago.  And it's owned by the Chinese.

They’re expanding their orinal plan and that was the news on Friday

“Sources tell CNBC that the automaker intends to hire an additional 1,900 workers and increase its total investment in the plant to $1 billion. A spokesperson for Volvo would not comment on reports about the increased investment in the U.S.”

Who cares whether the Swedes or the Chinese own it?  The 1900  jobs go to Americans.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/19/volvo-expanding-us-production-plans-in-south-carolina.html

[Lord Grantham]

I bring home two dollars less per pay period than I did last year.

♪ HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN ♩

[Kidnostad3]

I bring home two dollars less per pay period than I did last year.
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♪ HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN ♩

Aren’t you a Canadian?

[PB the Deplorable]

You're a hypocrite because you're not consistent. Your fundamental objection to anything more than limited government is that it leads to autocracy, but if more government serves your partisan interests then that's fine. You don't want these large companies broken up (which would at least be broadly consistent) you want them controlled from the top down. And however limited you might intend the role of government to be, it would only get more invasive as time went on. I don't think you have a single principle you're not prepared to toss overboard if it suited you at the time.

Have you considered that your idea of what I mean by limited government may not be completely accurate?  Or that you may be confusing a broad abstract ideal with addressing issues that occur in the real world?  I generally refer to philosophical governance in broad terms - if I at some point suggest the need to address specific issues, it's not de facto contradictary with a preference for limited government. 

It's limited government, not no government.  To me that means for the most part being limited to solutions for problems that government is best suited to address.  I haven't even offered any specific rules or regulations on net neutrality when it comes to access to information, so it seems premature to deem them ''hypocritical''.

When we have an oligopoly of massive companies, in a fairly new sector, whose products are heavily used - and those companies are able and willing to censor access to informational content in a trade for political favor, it's a problem.  A problem in our body politic, in the economy, and in our society as a whole.  A problem that only government can address.  That seems to fit it's role to me.

I'm no more a ''hypocrite'' for suggesting true net neutrality when it comes to access to content, than I would be for opposing slavery, supporting laws baring children from working in sweatshops, or preventing individuals or companies from polluting our air and water. 


As far as me not being for breaking a few of these companies up, when did I say that?

[PB the Deplorable]

I bring home two dollars less per pay period than I did last year.

♪ HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN ♩

The amount of your current withholdings is not the determing factor.  If nothing else changed (the amount of your contributions to various employee benefit programs at the start of the new year, for example), you may need to adjust the number of your exemptions, or just wait and get a larger than normal refund next year

[Lord Grantham]

The amount of your current withholdings is not the determing factor.  If nothing else changed (the amount of your contributions to various employee benefit programs at the start of the new year, for example), you may need to adjust the number of your exemptions, or just wait and get a larger than normal refund next year

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/13/trump-bigger-paychecks-in-feb-if-gop-finishes-tax-bill-by-christmas.html

Daddy Trump said I'd see a bigger paycheck. If things look different in February or March I'll be happy to eat crow and let you know, but I doubt it.