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President Donald J. Trump

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norland2424

Quote from: 21st Century Man on November 11, 2016, 01:27:09 PM
Making real plans for the Wall.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/10/trumps-plan-for-the-wall-on-the-mexican-border-materializes/


I have very mixed feelings about this so I'm just going to stay out of any further debate, for the time being anyway.

we need to enforce the laws that are already on the books, i dont see the wall hurting, i just dont see it stopping the problem

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: mv on November 11, 2016, 01:42:00 PM
because your pontifications have been so accurate over the last year and a half...

Exactly! Get off the bridge of the Enterprise! We don't want a propagandist as a communications officer!  >:( :D

Lt.Uhura

Quote from: 21st Century Man on November 11, 2016, 01:35:00 PM
Good things can come out of nepotism.  Frankenstein, Dracula and  All Quiet On The Western Front would not have been made in the early 30's if we didn't have nepotism.  There is always a silver lining.  :D ;)


Besides I would not exactly call these positions government jobs.

But this isn't a Hollywood movie--yet, anyway :)

Given the fact his children are slated to run his businesses under a 'blind trust', concurrently putting them into any govenmental position raises red flags of conflict of interests.

Quote from: Lt.Uhura on November 11, 2016, 01:50:43 PM
But this isn't a Hollywood movie--yet, anyway :)

Don't worry, it will be.  Oliver Stone will probably make it.  :D ;)

Quote from: Lt.Uhura on November 11, 2016, 01:50:43 PM
Given the fact his children are slated to run his businesses under a 'blind trust', concurrently putting them into any govenmental position raises red flags of conflict of interests.

We'll see if they get any real positions in the administration.  Maybe Ivanka's husband might get a position.  Don't forget though, Bobby Kennedy was JFK's Attorney General so it would hardly be a first.


Quote from: norland2424 on November 11, 2016, 01:50:21 PM
we need to enforce the laws that are already on the books, i dont see the wall hurting, i just dont see it stopping the problem

Right.  I don't either.  Though it will prevent a lot of people from easily crossing the border.   Let them try digging their tunnels if they want.  That is an expensive proposition.

chefist

Quote from: 21st Century Man on November 11, 2016, 02:05:36 PM
Right.  I don't either.  Though it will prevent a lot of people from easily crossing the border.   Let them try digging their tunnels if they want.  That is an expensive proposition.

Letting CBP and ICE do their jobs will be immediate and effective.

Isn't it amusing how hard it is to find a liberal who still admits to being pro-Hillary? Within 24 hours she was thrown under the bus.

WildCard

Quote from: pyewacket on November 11, 2016, 10:14:25 AM
These are not the classic liberals I remember. They seem driven by self interest and their need for emotional drama more than anything of substance.

Pretty good article for those interested:
continue reading:

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/11/11/poor-liberals-nobody-to-blame-but-themselves/

Pure Gold. This whole article is on fire.

"You are so divorced from reality, so drugged with the psychosis of identity politics, and indifferent to the sufferings of your fellow Americans, and the sufferings of those whose countries are destroyed by your wars of aggression, that you are simply no longer living in the reality based world; and sadly, haven’t been for a very long time."

"Perhaps there is a place where American liberals fight racism, sexism, and carry out glorious humanitarian interventions, which bring an end to genocide, persecution of minorities, and authoritarian regimes: in your mind."

"You will blame this ignominious defeat on the evil white guys, the racists, the Russians, the perverts, the sexists, and those wishing to restore patriarchy, but alas, dear liberals: you have nobody to blame but yourselves."

I've been really busy today, no time for the news but have heard the rumblings around the office concerning cronyism and nepotism.  I'm truly sorry to ask this, but has Trump appointed Falkie to any cabinet position?


zeebo

Quote from: mv on November 11, 2016, 11:49:54 AM
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Quote from: mv on May 13, 2016, 07:18:32 PM
there's just no energy out there for clinton.  it seems sanders fills stadiums with electric enthusiasm while hillary almost fills hotel conference rooms with tepidly committed voters motivated more by HRC's political inertia and supposed "inevitability" than anything else.

There did seem to be this vibe from Hillary like it was just her turn and that was the plan and people should just get behind it because see there's these other politicians and celebrities and social-injustice-example folks who say so.  I think the crowds such as they were picked up on her play-it-safe, over-manufactured presentations compared to Sanders or Trump who seemed to be (for better or worse) speaking more directly/passionately about their views.

albrecht

Quote from: 21st Century Man on November 11, 2016, 01:03:51 PM
No, I don't want a think tank to run the country either.  Just contribute ideas.  If they make sense,fine.  If not, discard them.
He should listen to all kind of ideas- including those not coming form inside-the-beltway think-tanks and academic. I'm not saying don't listen to some of their ideas but get ideas from outside-the-beltway, state governments, other countries, businesses, etc also.

If some conspiracists are to be believed there is a movement amongst the "elites" to go to some kind of technocracy with technocratic managers over the various aspects of the government and economy because democracy, republicanism, etc can't understand the fast-pace, technological, global economy etc.

ItsOver

Quote from: zeebo on November 11, 2016, 02:59:46 PM
There did seem to be this vibe from Hillary like it was just her turn and that was the plan and people should just get behind it because see there's these other politicians and celebrities and social-injustice-example folks who say so.  I think the crowds such as they were picked up on her play-it-safe, over-manufactured presentations compared to Sanders or Trump who seemed to be (for better or worse) speaking more directly/passionately about their views.
"IT'S MY TURN!"




MV/Liberace!

Quote from: VoteQuimby on November 11, 2016, 02:15:31 PM
Isn't it amusing how hard it is to find a liberal who still admits to being pro-Hillary? Within 24 hours she was thrown under the bus.

nobody wants to look like a discredited tool, and i understand that.  however, they know what they are, and most importantly, they know we know.  i'm sure it's tough.

Quote from: mv on November 11, 2016, 03:42:18 PM
nobody wants to look like a discredited tool, and i understand that.  however, they know what they are, and most importantly, they know we know.  i'm sure it's tough.

They won't get any disrespect from me.  As I have said, it's tough to go in and make a choice between one A-hole or another.  Alright, I might give a Hillary supporter one "na-na-nananna," but that's it.  We are all fellow countrymen with hopes, dreams, problems and concerns, and I respect that.

MV/Liberace!

Quote from: Lt.Uhura on November 11, 2016, 01:23:02 PM
I think the Rs would be foolish to think the power they lost will be restored with Trump as POTUS.  But as you say, we'll see  ;)

by the way, this line just forces me to marvel at the fact you even bother owning a keyboard.  do you realize that the democrats, after this election, are nationally/locally at their weakest fucking point since the 1920s?  and you want to prattle on about the power "republicans have lost"?  really?  this must be a reflexive coping mechanism you're rolling out to deal with the disappointment of your favorite political party getting its face smashed, because it sure as shit couldn't be the result of conscious thought.  just wow.  how many pounds of lead-based paint chips must be consumed during childhood to result in such obtuse thinking? 

despite your (and others) repeated conspicuous display of condescension backed by stupidity over the last year, i've always tried to maintain some level of politeness and take a somewhat hands-off approach to this stuff because i worry things will be taken differently coming from me, but you really do need to go fishing or learn to sail.  politics isn't your thing.  never will be.  just give it up.


MV/Liberace!

Quote from: Billy Joe Mulgreavey on November 11, 2016, 03:52:50 PM
We are all fellow countrymen with hopes, dreams, problems and concerns, and I respect that.

i want them politically defeated.  full stop.

Quote from: VoteQuimby on November 11, 2016, 02:15:31 PM
Isn't it amusing how hard it is to find a liberal who still admits to being pro-Hillary? Within 24 hours she was thrown under the bus.

She sure turned into an almost Joe Lieberman type of figure in a hell of a hurry.

"Leper.  Outcast. Unclean."





Quote from: 21st Century Man on November 11, 2016, 01:44:59 PM
Guess it is probably a result of conditioning.  I'm a big Pink Floyd fan and I hated the Berlin wall.  Walls do have their place though.  The Great Wall of China is a magnificent piece of work.

The Berlin Wall kept people in.  Anyone trying to get out was shot.  You know, those progressive Stalinists the Left so admires.

I'm not sure we need a wall, or that it can even be built, but it is proper to control one's own border - like every other country does - and if some portions are best secured with a wall so be it..

What's funny about the nepotism allegations (only three days after the man won the election no less) it shows how desperate people are to cling to their fantasy land belief that Trump was a worse choice than Hilary, when there have already been clear indications of nepotism and favorable treatment to the Clintons through this foundation scandal, ie Chelsea allegedly using starving Haitian's money for her wedding, or "friends of Bill" being given special treatment in rebuilding Haiti.  It's as if Hillshills went from "omg lmao you can't win" to "like totally worst presidency ever" overnight when they got BTFO in the election.  Like I said, I'm willing to give Trump a chance.  He hasn't even been inaugurated yet for goodness sake lol.

Quote from: mv on November 11, 2016, 04:08:24 PM
... despite your (and others) repeated conspicuous display of condescension backed by stupidity over the last year, i've always tried to maintain some level of politeness...

Always?

Lt.Uhura

Quote from: mv on November 11, 2016, 04:08:24 PM
by the way, this line just forces me to marvel at the fact you even bother owning a keyboard.  do you realize that the democrats, after this election, are nationally/locally at their weakest fucking point since the 1920s?  and you want to prattle on about the power "republicans have lost"?  really?  this must be a reflexive coping mechanism you're rolling out to deal with the disappointment of your favorite political party getting its face smashed, because it sure as shit couldn't be the result of conscious thought.  just wow.  how many pounds of lead-based paint chips must be consumed during childhood to result in such obtuse thinking? 

despite your (and others) repeated conspicuous display of condescension backed by stupidity over the last year, i've always tried to maintain some level of politeness and take a somewhat hands-off approach to this stuff because i worry things will be taken differently coming from me, but you really do need to go fishing or learn to sail.  politics isn't your thing.  never will be.  just give it up.

Sorry to dispute your assumptions and the emotional charge that comes with them, but I see both major parties as on shaky ground, regardless of who won the election. And I voted for Bernie, but go ahead and misrepresent me as a Hillary voter if it makes you feel better, I don't care.

The Republican Party (who I once supported) has a long way to go to gain the power and respect they desire. As he was throughout his campaign, Trump may continue to be a thorn in their side, as just days after the election he's considering a "compromise" on Obamacare, and favoring his own family members for his transition over other members of the party. Groups including the alt-right, white supremacists, and even members of al Qaeda are all celebrating the Trump victory, as if his hateful rhetoric will further their own hateful agendas.  We'll all have to see how this plays out, but as I've stated all along, I think Trump is unqualified for POTUS and clearly he's got his work cut out for him. The Republicans may already be trying to figure out how to get rid of him and install the more pliable Pence in his place.

And excuse me for entering the political fray here at BG as an unworthy commenter, but you're the boss, and if you prefer posters who have nothing else to offer other than the same old tired memes found at countless other sites, so be it.


MV/Liberace!

Quote from: Lt.Uhura on November 11, 2016, 04:57:07 PM

And excuse me for entering the political fray here at BG as an unworthy commenter, but you're the boss, and if you prefer posters who have nothing else to offer other than the same old tired memes found at countless other sites, so be it.

this is exactly why i often refrain from calling people out when i really want to.  this shit right here.  if you don't want people to respond to your comments, me included, then don't submit them.  weak.

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