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Bellgab art... it is what it is, or is it?

Started by Mr. Fidget, June 05, 2016, 06:09:25 PM


Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Mr. Fidget on June 06, 2016, 08:48:25 PM
By not using deepart. ;)
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Wax crayons and the help of an infant?



WOTR

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 07, 2016, 03:32:46 AM
FIFY
Still going to tell me that you are not a little butthurt that others enjoy this art while you don't see it? 

I suppose the good thing about art is that it gets people talking regardless if they like it or not... I went to the national gallery with a group of other very practical minded people while we were at a convention.  One display was a string (according to the sign, it could be displayed horizontal, vertical or even diagonal.)  I wish I were joking- it was a black string / light rope that was probably bought at a hardware store for $3.  Another display was a pile of carpet underlay that we all joked that the artist probably had tossed on his lawn while remodeling when the museum curator came around and mistook it for art.  It is now displayed in the national gallery...

The point is that out of all of the really good pieces that we saw, those two were the ones that were discussed the longest...

(Somewhere in the preceding post there is a Trump joke.)  ;D

Quote from: WOTR on June 08, 2016, 02:32:09 AM
I wish I were joking- it was a black string / light rope that was probably bought at a hardware store for $3.  Another display was a pile of carpet underlay that we all joked that the artist probably had tossed on his lawn while remodeling when the museum curator came around and mistook it for art.  It is now displayed in the national gallery...

That's from the idea that anything the artist touches is art. It doesn't have to be good or bad, just touched by the artist.
The most famous example is Piero Manzoni, who shit in a can and later sold it at a gallery.
The last tin sold for approx $250,000.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artist%27s_Shit

GravitySucks

Quote from: Mind Flayer Monk on June 08, 2016, 02:45:14 AM
That's from the idea that anything the artist touches is art. It doesn't have to be good or bad, just touched by the artist.
The most famous example is Piero Manzoni, who shit in a can and later sold it at a gallery.
The last tin sold for approx $250,000.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artist%27s_Shit

Don't tell AKWilly, he burns all of his.


Yorkshire pud

Quote from: WOTR on June 08, 2016, 02:32:09 AM
Still going to tell me that you are not a little butthurt that others enjoy this art while you don't see it? 

No offence intended; although I admit it cannot be seen otherwise, but I cannot explain pretentious delusion. The joke is on the 'ahh yes I can see where he/she is coming from'; if they see (for example), infantile scribbling with the skill and application of a six year old child as 'art'. They really need to stop taking the lsd, unless of course it is a six year old who has created it. Game for a laugh (show in the UK in the 80's) did exactly that. Class of kindergarten kids had their paintings mounted and displayed in a gallery as the work of an up and coming artist...It was hilarious as the 'critics' wandered round making the right noises...right up until the kids wandered on and were introduced as the 'artist'..You could hear a pin drop.

Not butt hurt; just dismayed at how Lincoln was correct about fooling some of the people all of the time.


Mr. Fidget

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 08, 2016, 04:29:55 AM
Not butt hurt; just dismayed at how Lincoln was correct about fooling some of the people all of the time.
Oh, the irony!

"In conclusion, Jacques Abbadie should be credited with the interesting precursor statement in French. QI believes based on current evidence that Abraham Lincoln probably did not employ this well-known adage."

http://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/12/11/cannot-fool/

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Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Mr. Fidget on June 05, 2016, 09:26:39 PM
   Thanks Gabrielle, it's basically artificial intelligence that makes them. I'm choosing source images (from various sources), applying letters, and filtering in "famous styles". One of the wonders of computing. Glad to share them. This one is "starry night" style.
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AI? Deluded? Much?

Mr. Fidget

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 08, 2016, 05:14:36 AM
AI? Deluded? Much?
Call it what you like. Neural networking, AI, machine learning... an algorithm... whatever. Go find a tree to fall out of.
http://petapixel.com/2015/08/31/this-new-algorithm-gives-photos-the-look-of-famous-paintings/

gabrielle

Mr. Fidget, I love the owl!!!!   (I didn't even know Al Gore could paint..lol)


Mr. Fidget

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 08, 2016, 06:03:18 AM
Sure. Just don't call it talented art.
That, according to my extensive research (shown below), had never been said on bellgab before. You have raised the bar... a new paradigm (a set of linguistic items that form mutually exclusive choices in particular syntactic roles. "English determiners form a paradigm: we can say “a book” or “his book” but not “a his book.”) Way to go...

I don't have any more attention for you YP, happy trolling.
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Quote from: WOTR on June 06, 2016, 12:27:55 AM
If that was in direct response to Yorkie, it probably should have been captioned "butthurt".
WOTR, thanks.


Mr. Fidget

Quote from: brig on June 08, 2016, 02:06:11 PM
My contribution to the crazy.
Brig shoots, brig scores! :)
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Lilith

Quote from: Mr. Fidget on June 08, 2016, 06:37:38 PM
Brig shoots, brig scores! :)


I made ya another one. I'm having fun making them in notes on my phone.  ;D


Quote from: littlechris on June 08, 2016, 07:43:06 PM
Stroke Click to enlarge.



Nice Geoduck. It's yuge!

I drew my avatar picture. That is all...

WOTR

Quote from: Mind Flayer Monk on June 08, 2016, 02:45:14 AM
That's from the idea that anything the artist touches is art. It doesn't have to be good or bad, just touched by the artist.
The most famous example is Piero Manzoni, who shit in a can and later sold it at a gallery.
The last tin sold for approx $250,000.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artist%27s_Shit
Interesting... But that does make me wonder...

If John Lennon crapped in a can, there would be a collector out there who would pay a large sum to obtain that can.  I realize that it is the "celebrity factor" that makes this fictional can of crap worth something, while I pay my city utilities every month to have them whisk mine away and decompose it.

What percentage of the cost of these cans is due to art collectors actually valuing them, what is due to the artist being known (celebrity) and what percentage is due to the idea that there will be a "bigger fool" out there next time it is to be sold?  (I can tell you that if I had the cash, I might purchase this "art" not because it has any meaning to me- but rather because the history of it shows that it will likely have a better return than most other investments in stocks or bonds...)


analog kid

I used to draw weird stuff in photoshop.




Quote from: Mind Flayer Monk on June 08, 2016, 02:45:14 AM
That's from the idea that anything the artist touches is art. It doesn't have to be good or bad, just touched by the artist...

Oh, it's worse than that.

If I'm holding a paint brush, a crayon, or a chain saw, I'm an 'artist'.  If I'm rattling a tambourine, I'm an 'artist'.  Apparently.

Either that, or not everyone who has an instrument, slaps some paint on something, plays around with photoshop, chisels a rock, or gets a part in a school play is an artist.

I wish our betters would make up their minds

Quote from: Mr. Fidget on June 08, 2016, 05:24:15 AM
Call it what you like. Neural networking, AI, machine learning... an algorithm... whatever. Go find a tree to fall out of.
http://petapixel.com/2015/08/31/this-new-algorithm-gives-photos-the-look-of-famous-paintings/

Fidge, with all due respect it's quite lousy, the colors, the shapes, the way it all runs together forming.. nothing, I wish you'd go post it on your own thread.

GravitySucks

Quote from: Paper*Boy on June 09, 2016, 10:30:57 PM
Fidge, with all due respect it's quite lousy, the colors, the shapes, the way it all runs together forming.. nothing, I wish you'd go post it on your own thread.

Since he is the one that started this thread, it is kind of his thread.

You're welcome.

Quote from: GravitySucks on June 09, 2016, 10:40:20 PM
Since he is the one that started this thread, it is kind of his thread.

You're welcome.

Well, there is that. 

Just what we need, another Falkie

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