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[NowhereInTime]

I think you are going to be two for two here.  Except after watching Trump emasculate Jeb Bush, I am fairly sure that Hillary will have some form of counter-attack prepared.  I just don't see how she executes on it to her advantage.

She will she anything, even self contradictory, to score debate points.  Working so far in the primaries.

[SciFiAuthor]

i think sanders would be a much more formidable candidate against trump.  hillary brings with her so many liabilities, it's impossible to keep up with them all.

That's right, there are so so so many things that can be brought up during her campaign that will turn people off. Trump will use that to his advantage. None of the other Republicans will, for some reason they avoid talking about Hillary's past follies.

can you imagine trump on a stage debating hillary?  he's going to soundly throw her off her game by speaking to her in ways nobody has ever spoken to her, particularly in public.  she won't know how to manage it.

He'd absolutely own her. No question about it.

[FearBoysWithBugs]

It's funny how conditioned the establishment republicans are. The same people that gave us George W. Bush, a true intellectual lightweight that tricked us into an expensive destabilizing war, now throw these kinds of words at Trump as though they didn't previously hand us the lowest IQ president in history. Bush had a teleprompter and he still screwed up, yet Trump, who doesn't use a teleprompter and employs high level debate tactics, is somehow worse than Bush.

Trump is brilliant.  How can anyone argue otherwise?  He has played the press like a violin, and he's in perfect pitch with the mood of a significant portion of the electorate.  The reason that neocon retards like FTF call him a buffoon is because he's less attractive and less controllable than Sarah Palin, and because it's much more comforting to hate him than admit that he's the voice of a significant fraction of the right wing.

[FearBoysWithBugs]

She will she anything, even self contradictory, to score debate points.  Working so far in the primaries.

Against the guy who said he's sick and tired of hearing about her emails? 

Are those the tactics you expect from Trump?

[MV/Liberace!]

...I am fairly sure that Hillary will have some form of counter-attack prepared.  I just don't see how she executes on it to her advantage.

a page from the clinton playbook has already been thrown at trump with the "disparaging women" stuff, and trump quickly rendered it inert.  the 1990s are over, and hillary's flow chart of traditional attacks against republicans are not going to work as effectively against trump.

[The King of Kings]

You're not particularly bright, are you, son?

Says the person who is going to actively campaign, vote, and try to get donations for Hillary Clinton if their chosen Republican candidate isn't the one chosen?

You quite literally are the dumbest person on this site, and that is saying a lot.

[FearBoysWithBugs]

a page from the clinton playbook has already been thrown at trump with the "disparaging women" stuff, and trump quickly rendered it inert.  the 1990s are over, and hillary's flow chart of traditional attacks against republicans are not going to work as effectively against trump.

Agreed.  Talk about your "teflon" Presidents.  No one has figured out how to use anything effectively against him.  I don't think she will either, but if she does it will be a thing of beauty to watch.  Maybe the Big Dog will pull one out of his hat, if he can overcome his ennui about her campaign.

[GravitySucks]

Not if limited perspective goons like yourself comprise the electorate.  I'd rather a low turnout than the "deese dem doose" guys like yourself (I heard your Gabcast, champ) with their heads perpetually wedged assward pulling the levers.

I spent 8 years in the military to help make sure everyone could keep voting in free elections. Even stupid people.

My views have changed a little. I think if someone gets a government paycheck, they should not be allowed to vote because they have a conflict of interest. Social Security would be exempted because that is our money to start with. But if you are a civil servant or on public assistance, your voting rights should be suspended.

People with attitudes like yours makes me more confident that I need to stump for Trump. I had been wavering between Cruz and Trump. Early voting is going on now for the Texas primary. I'll probably head down tomorrow and vote for Trump.

[MV/Liberace!]

You quite literally are the dumbest person on this site, and that is saying a lot.

he does own 500 acres of land, though, so we'll give him that.

[FearBoysWithBugs]

You quite literally are the dumbest person on this site, and that is saying a lot.

You should read his arguments about the Shroud of Turin.  Like a 19-year-old GED-hopeful screaming at you through his seven teeth.

[SciFiAuthor]

Trump is brilliant.  How can anyone argue otherwise?  He has played the press like a violin, and he's in perfect pitch with the mood of a significant portion of the electorate.  The reason that neocon retards like FTF call him a buffoon is because he's less attractive and less controllable than Sarah Palin, and because it's much more comforting to hate him than admit that he's the voice of a significant fraction of the right wing.

I agree. I watched the SC primary coverage last night, and I watched all those northern counties which are solidly evangelical formerly pro-Huckabee counties go for Trump -- the man who spent the least money on ads. Trump knows how to tap into people's feelings deeper than any politician since Reagan and he's winning as a result. Some people see this as stupidity because some of the comments are so simplistic, but no, it's very a very calculated manipulation of people by giving them simple, easy to understand ideas that seem like they would be effective in action, like the great wall of Trump.

[chefist]

i think sanders would be a much more formidable candidate against trump.  hillary brings with her so many liabilities, it's impossible to keep up with them all.

can you imagine trump on a stage debating hillary?  he's going to soundly throw her off her game by speaking to her in ways nobody has ever spoken to her, particularly in public.  she won't know how to manage it.

I agree as well...Trump can pick off union voters, independents and quite a few other voting categories that have went for the Dems in the past two elections...I think he would want to go up against Hillary, no doubt...what will her comeback be when he's debating her and he says, "Hillary took my money before, and she'll take anyone's private interest money."...She will look like the insider that many loathe today...

[FearBoysWithBugs]

it's very a very calculated manipulation of people by giving them simple, easy to understand ideas that seem like they would be effective in action, like the great wall of Trump.

Very well stated.  Agree completely.

[FightTheFuture]

he does own 500 acres of land, though, so we'll give him that.

Well, I reckon it's a helll of a lot more than you'll ever have in your pathetic little chump life. Loser.

[gabrielle]

I spent 8 years in the military to help make sure everyone could keep voting in free elections. Even stupid people.

My views have changed a little. I think if someone gets a government paycheck, they should not be allowed to vote because they have a conflict of interest. Social Security would be exempted because that is our money to start with. But if you are a civil servant or on public assistance, your voting rights should be suspended.

People with attitudes like yours makes me more confident that I need to stump for Trump. I had been wavering between Cruz and Trump. Early voting is going on now for the Texas primary. I'll probably head down tomorrow and vote for Trump.

You would suspend a Constitutional right because of employment?  Are you sure?

[FightTheFuture]

You would suspend a Constitutional right because of employment?  Are you sure?

Voting is NOT a Constitutionally protected right.

[GravitySucks]

You would suspend a Constitutional right because of employment?  Are you sure?

Regular unemployment benefits is an insurance payment. I am talking long term welfare recipients.

51% of the US receives some type of government assistance. As that number rises, it becomes clear they are only going to keep voting for the person that promises them more free stuff.

Am I serious, not really. There would have to be too many exceptions. But something has to be done to give these people incentives to work.

There used to be a time when public assistance meant barely getting by. Nowadays it means cell phones, Internet, a car or two, a flat screen TV in every room and a car or two. We have people that are multigenerational welfare recipients.

I do feel strongly about the civil servants though. Maybe we should give the military two votes each.

I know it will never happen. I respect the rights we have. I was just trying to raise the point that there are whole blocks of the electorate that will always vote democrat just because they are the ones that deliver the goods.

[gabrielle]

Voting is NOT a Constitutionally protected right.

thank you for the clarification.  I thought it was contained in the amendments. 

[GravitySucks]

Voting is NOT a Constitutionally protected right.

Only if you ignore the 14th and 15th amendments. The courts have established precedent that there is a right to vote, hence the federal voter registration form (which btw does not require proof of citizenship).

[FearBoysWithBugs]

thank you for the clarification.  I thought it was contained in the amendments.

Don't listen to that professional space occupier. 

Not only is there a Constitutional right, it’s the right most often mentioned in the text -- five times in all.  Four separate amendments protect it: the 15th, 19th, 24th, and 26th.  When you read the language used (“The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged...”) it becomes clear that FTF is dumber 'n shit. 

There could potentially be a Constitutional Amendment restricting the right of Federal workers to vote.  There simply has to be consensus on the part of everyone (including the courts) that doing so is a reasonable restriction on the right to vote.

[EDIT]: further reading ---> http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/09/voting-right-or-privilege/262511/

[gabrielle]

Don't listen to that professional space occupier. 

Not only is there a Constitutional right, it’s the right most often mentioned in the text -- five times in all.  Four separate amendments protect it: the 15th, 19th, 24th, and 26th.  When you read the language used (“The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged...”) it becomes clear that FTF is dumber 'n shit. 

There could potentially be a Constitutional Amendment restricting the right of Federal workers to vote.  There simply has to be consensus on the part of everyone (including the courts) that doing so is a reasonable restriction on the right to vote.

Many thanks.  I have read the Constitution many times, including the amendments.  I thought perhaps I was losing my mind.  (always possible)

[NowhereInTime]

Against the guy who said he's sick and tired of hearing about her emails? 

Are those the tactics you expect from Trump?

I expect Trump to go after her dubious judgment re: Whitewater and the Iraq War. I expect Trump to go after her feckless response to Benghazi and her elitist air of indifference regarding handling classified material.  I expect Trump to continually conjure up images of her political expedience:  first for DOMA, then against, for NAFTA, then against for TPP, now against.  He'll hang NAFTA and TPP around her neck like a Bubba Clinton pearl necklace (see: Lewinsky, Monica).  I expect Trump to remind everyone that the buzz in the backs of their heads as they consider voting for her is "she cannot be trusted".  Let's not even bring up Paula Corbin Jones and Goldman Sachs, among the piles of political ammunition at his disposal.

God almighty, he'll be able to challlenge her from the Right and the Left !! 

[MV/Liberace!]

There could potentially be a Constitutional Amendment restricting the right of Federal workers to vote.  There simply has to be consensus on the part of everyone (including the courts) that doing so is a reasonable restriction on the right to vote.

I don't think the courts have any role in constitutional amendments, but I've been wrong before.

[MV/Liberace!]

Only if you ignore the 14th and 15th amendments.

You'll have to forgive FTF. The Mark Levin Show and Glenn Beck are his only sources of information. That would make an idiot out of anyone.

[NowhereInTime]

I spent 8 years in the military to help make sure everyone could keep voting in free elections. Even stupid people.

My views have changed a little. I think if someone gets a government paycheck, they should not be allowed to vote because they have a conflict of interest. Social Security would be exempted because that is our money to start with. But if you are a civil servant or on public assistance, your voting rights should be suspended.

People with attitudes like yours makes me more confident that I need to stump for Trump. I had been wavering between Cruz and Trump. Early voting is going on now for the Texas primary. I'll probably head down tomorrow and vote for Trump.

Stump away, stumpy. 

So, would your restriction on voting include military personnel, uniformed and civilian?

[NowhereInTime]

Says the person who is going to actively campaign, vote, and try to get donations for Hillary Clinton if their chosen Republican candidate isn't the one chosen?

You quite literally are the dumbest person on this site, and that is saying a lot.

And you, in your perpetual weed induced haze, are the most unobservant idiot on the entire internet. I will do NOTHING for Hillary.  I will do NOTHING for any Republican except Trump.  This, as I have repeatedly stated, would be precluded if Sanders wins the nomination.  He is still my first choice.

But don't let truth get in the way of your feeble, dope fueled attempt at a zinger.

You are the first person in history to LOSE the Internet today.  Congratulations.

[GravitySucks]

Stump away, stumpy. 

So, would your restriction on voting include military personnel, uniformed and civilian?

No, like I said, I would give consider giving active duty military two votes. The civilians (civil engineer service) no votes. They aren't in harm's way.

[NowhereInTime]

No, like I said, I would give consider giving active duty military two votes. The civilians (civil engineer service) no votes. They aren't in harm's way.

Surprise, surprise.  A fascist.  Carry a gun and see things my way, you can vote.  Fall on hard times or (bizarrely) work in an administration, and you're disenfranchised.

Tell me how allowing defense contractors and Pentagon procurement personnel to vote for their own interests is ethical but some poor shlub in the Forestry office hoping for a raise isn't?

[GravitySucks]

Surprise, surprise.  A fascist.  Carry a gun and see things my way, you can vote.  Fall on hard times or (bizarrely) work in an administration, and you're disenfranchised.

Tell me how allowing defense contractors and Pentagon procurement personnel to vote for their own interests is ethical but some poor shlub in the Forestry office hoping for a raise isn't?

Pentagon procurement personnel are civil servants. No vote. Military is subject to being put in harms way and have to abide by every order of the CIC, I would consider giving them two votes to help make sure they have a CIC they respect.

I don't give a shit about the forestry office. We have a lot of bigger problems to worry about if this country continues the downhill slide.

[FearBoysWithBugs]

I don't think the courts have any role in constitutional amendments, but I've been wrong before.

SCOTUS does not have the authority to overturn a Constitutional amendment.  However, it does have the power to do so in practice, by issuing a ruling that eviscerates an amendment of any legal meaning, and that ruling will be final and unappealable.  Example: the Slaughterhouse Cases opinion, which in practical terms read nearly all meaning out of the Privileges and Immunities Clause of the 14th amendment.