Jeb Bush

[onan]

No, Trump didn't say that and he didn't even imply that, but mockery is, in my opinion, the best approach.

Jeb Bush brought up both his mother and his father completely unprompted (Donald Trump only discussed and more or less accurately the failures of the George W. Bush Administration.) I can only guess that Jeb brought up his parents as a way to suggest that Donald Trump was unfairly going after the entire Bush family.  In that context, not only was Trump's reply humorous and, in my opinion, brilliant mockery, but it also thoroughly rebutted Jeb's lie that Donald Trump was attacking his mother and father.

I don't dispute that Donald Trump doesn't display the temperament to be President (though I personally think Trump's behaviour is pretty much entirely an act) but I also don't think that Jeb Bush's behaviour is presidential material either, and Donald Trump deserves to be commended for prosecuting the record of the George W Bush administration.

Then it is time to drop the act.

I agree the Bush II's record needs to be examined with the same ferocity as the white water investigation.

If you want to be a completely isolated country, then Trump might be appropriate in his demeanor. However, his shit is going to cost more lives than the "Bring 'em on" statement of GW.

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Then it is time to drop the act.

I agree the Bush II's record needs to be examined with the same ferocity as the white water investigation.

If you want to be a completely isolated country, then Trump might be appropriate in his demeanor. However, his shit is going to cost more lives than the "Bring 'em on" statement of GW.

Why would he drop the act now when it's working for him?

He's already said something like "how I campaign should not be regarded as how I'd govern."

I don't support him in the slightest, and if what he's doing is an act, then I don't consider this essentially taking the Stephen Colbert fake-conservative persona to the campaign trail to be ethical in the slightest, but I don't think we should necessarily fear a Trump presidency either.

[onan]

Why would he drop the act now when it's working for him?

He's already said something like "how I campaign should not be regarded as how I'd govern."

I don't support him in the slightest, and if what he's doing is an act, then I don't consider this essentially taking the Stephen Colbert fake-conservative persona to the campaign trail to be ethical in the slightest, but I don't think we should necessarily fear a Trump presidency either.

Yeah, I remember making a joke of Trump early in this campaign. I am concerned he could be the next president.

[Zoo]

Yeah, I remember making a joke of Trump early in this campaign. I am concerned he could be the next president.

If not Bernie Sanders then I so hope it is Donald Trump. I just want the whole system to change. I care not if it changes for the better or worse I just want it to changing. The truly sad thing is I am not alone. I should be but I am not. People no longer care and are so fucking angry they do not give a fuck what happens they just want it to be something different than the same old BullShit!!1

[onan]

If not Bernie Sanders then I so hope it is Donald Trump. I just want the whole system to change. I care not if it changes for the better or worse I just want it to changing. The truly sad thing is I am not alone. I should be but I am not. People no longer care and are so fucking angry they do not give a fuck what happens they just want it to be something different than the same old BullShit!!1

One of the problems with angry thoughts is they are seldom well thought out.

[Zoo]

One of the problems with angry thoughts is they are seldom well thought out.

Politics care not if thoughts are well thought out or not. They care about votes!!1

[cweb]

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[NowhereInTime]

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Emblematic of the Bush campaign.  Not paying attention to details (like domain name ownership) is a clear sign his heart really isn't in it.  Trump keeps contributing to his super pac so he stays in the race and splits Marco Roboto's votes.

[MV/Liberace!]

Emblematic of the Bush campaign.  Not paying attention to details (like domain name ownership) is a clear sign his heart really isn't in it.  Trump keeps contributing to his super pac so he stays in the race and splits Marco Roboto's votes.

i heard limbaugh today saying trump "sounds like a leftist" casting blame on bush 43 for the iraq bungle and eventual rise of isis.  i listen to rush because he's heavy on actual information and nobody is better at what he does, but i feel like there has emerged a disconnect between rush's perception of the political landscape and the actual political landscape.   things have changed in ways, i think, limbaugh is entirely oblivious to.

i've paid close attention to politics for approximately 60% of my life.  i'm out in the trenches, taking the temperature of things myself, making observations and drawing conclusions, and i'd say probably a majority of average joe conservatives believe the iraq war was a mistake and contributed to the rise of isis.  further, i'd wager that the majority of them connect the republican party's decline to the bush 43 years.  that's just the sense i get. 

i reject the notion that obama gave rise to trump.  that's lazy, dishonest, herd mentality analysis bandied about on whatever major network one chooses to watch.

trump's strength is only going to grow by attacking the bush family.  watch.

[inuk2600]

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This is unreal. Even Ben Carson has a better chance than this schmuck. I'm guessing some of the more extreme Jesus-folk will grow tired of Cruz's sliminess and divert some of those votes to Carson... before realizing that he's much dummer than a president ought to be, and finally start giving their votes to Kasich. But Jeb will only get the votes he paid for.

[Jackstar]

This is unreal.

Holy Jesus shitballs. Did not expect that result. How long has that been going? A masterstroke.

Or would be, if they weren't both being controlled by the same shadowy puppets, but... eh, it's still a badass move.

[onan]

i heard limbaugh today saying trump "sounds like a leftist" casting blame on bush 43 for the iraq bungle and eventual rise of isis.  i listen to rush because he's heavy on actual information and nobody is better at what he does, but i feel like there has emerged a disconnect between rush's perception of the political landscape and the actual political landscape.   things have changed in ways, i think, limbaugh is entirely oblivious to.

i've paid close attention to politics for approximately 60% of my life.  i'm out in the trenches, taking the temperature of things myself, making observations and drawing conclusions, and i'd say probably a majority of average joe conservatives believe the iraq war was a mistake and contributed to the rise of isis.  further, i'd wager that the majority of them connect the republican party's decline to the bush 43 years.  that's just the sense i get. 

i reject the notion that obama gave rise to trump.  that's lazy, dishonest, herd mentality analysis bandied about on whatever major network one chooses to watch.

trump's strength is only going to grow by attacking the bush family.  watch.

I agree with you. I do fear however, that Trump, if elected (never thought I would say that) would be more impetuous than GW.

[MV/Liberace!]

I agree with you. I do fear however, that Trump, if elected (never thought I would say that) would be more impetuous than GW.

Hopefully you also feel that way about Hillary, because she's the biggest warmonger in the running, and making matters worse are her corporate masters to whom she owes everything and for whom I believe she will do anything.

[onan]

Hopefully you also feel that way about Hillary, because she's the biggest warmonger in the running, and making matters worse are her corporate masters to whom she owes everything and for whom I believe she will do anything.

I do, as a matter of fact. When I found myself in the whoisidewith site, I chose answers that I agreed with, her policies are similar to my thoughts. But her position on the middle east, not so much.

I completely agree, she has been bought. I thought I had made myself clear about my choice. I like Bernie. I don't think he has a chance. Not with the DNC machinery backing Hillary. And that does make it a sickening potential outcome.

[FearBoysWithBugs]

trump's strength is only going to grow by attacking the bush family.  watch.

I think you nailed it here.  Furthermore, I don't believe Trump is as much of a loose cannon as conventional wisdom would have one believe.  If you look at this attack, specifically, you find that he voiced a mild version of it prior to Iowa, got good press; hit away harder just prior to New Hampshire when his win was secured, and got even better press.  Then he sat back and waiting until W started campaigning in South Carolina, which is supposed to be a Bush stronghold, and he's giving it to Jeb and W with both barrels.

I think that the narrative that the war in Iraq was not a mistake -- that it at a minimum "kept us safer" -- is a construction of the establishment, because they HAVE to say that.  Ordinary people know better.  That's who Trump is speaking to.  Jeb has done nothing to distinguish himself from his game-manager father or his "biggest foreign policy fuckup in American history" brother.  Instead, his signature moment in the campaign is "Please clap."  Trump is going to squash Jeb like a fuckin bug.

[MV/Liberace!]

I think you nailed it here.  Furthermore, I don't believe Trump is as much of a loose cannon as conventional wisdom would have one believe.  If you look at this attack, specifically, you find that he voiced a mild version of it prior to Iowa, got good press; hit away harder just prior to New Hampshire when his win was secured, and got even better press.  Then he sat back and waiting until W started campaigning in South Carolina, which is supposed to be a Bush stronghold, and he's giving it to Jeb and W with both barrels.

I think that the narrative that the war in Iraq was not a mistake -- that it at a minimum "kept us safer" -- is a construction of the establishment, because they HAVE to say that.  Ordinary people know better.  That's who Trump is speaking to.  Jeb has done nothing to distinguish himself from his game-manager father or his "biggest foreign policy fuckup in American history" brother.  Instead, his signature moment in the campaign is "Please clap."  Trump is going to squash Jeb like a fuckin bug.

Agree, agree, agree.

[SciFiAuthor]

I think that the narrative that the war in Iraq was not a mistake -- that it at a minimum "kept us safer" -- is a construction of the establishment, because they HAVE to say that.  Ordinary people know better.  That's who Trump is speaking to.  Jeb has done nothing to distinguish himself from his game-manager father or his "biggest foreign policy fuckup in American history" brother.  Instead, his signature moment in the campaign is "Please clap."  Trump is going to squash Jeb like a fuckin bug.

Very well said. Anyone that isn't an establishment Republican knows that the Iraq war was a massive mistake that gained us nothing but instability in the middle east. The only good the Iraq war has done for the country is to hang an albatross around Jeb's neck that will keep the establishment from winning.

[onan]

Very well said. Anyone that isn't an establishment Republican knows that the Iraq war was a massive mistake that gained us nothing but instability in the middle east. The only good the Iraq war has done for the country is to hang an albatross around Jeb's neck that will keep the establishment from winning.

Gas is a buck fitty, thanks Obama.

[Jackstar]

she's the biggest warmonger in the running

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1EgyFtqBqk

[SciFiAuthor]

Gas is a buck fitty, thanks Obama.

Thank the OPEC nations for working to destroy our fracking industry and make us dependent on foreign oil again. Dependency on foreign oil means that we have a strong interest in the middle east again and will protect those interests with our military.

The low gas prices are good for the little guy in the short term and bad for the country in the long term.

[Jackstar]

The low gas prices are good for the little guy in the short term and bad for the country in the long term.

Given that dependence on fossil fuels is disastrous for humanity and likely the planet in the every term, it's hard for me to see the relentless hand-wringing over oil prices as little more than the band playing on the deck of the sinking Titanic Olympic.

I'm totally okay with the shale oil industry collapsing. Fuck all of those people. Life will go on.

[MV/Liberace!]

Given that dependence on fossil fuels is disastrous for humanity and likely the planet in the every term, it's hard for me to see the relentless hand-wringing over oil prices as little more than the band playing on the deck of the sinking Titanic Olympic.

I'm totally okay with the shale oil industry collapsing. Fuck all of those people. Life will go on.

the keyboard you're typing on is made of oil.  it's as if people can't hear themselves speaking when they piss about how evil oil is.

[Jackstar]

There's a distinction between hydrocarbons used as fuel and hydrocarbons used for plastics, don't you think?

[SciFiAuthor]

Given that dependence on fossil fuels is disastrous for humanity and likely the planet in the every term, it's hard for me to see the relentless hand-wringing over oil prices as little more than the band playing on the deck of the sinking Titanic Olympic.

I'm totally okay with the shale oil industry collapsing. Fuck all of those people. Life will go on.

I wouldn't worry too much about that, the fossil fuel industry has about ten years left before their market begins to decline. There are just too many alternate energy techs in the works, some of which are being developed by an even more powerful group than the oil companies: the defense contractors.

But, it would be nice to get through those years without more oil wars. But if we're an importer, then protecting our oil supply is in our national interest. If we lose fracking, then we must import.

[GravitySucks]

There's a distinction between hydrocarbons used as fuel and hydrocarbons used for plastics, don't you think?

Yes, the ones used for fuel pollute less.

[MV/Liberace!]

There's a distinction between hydrocarbons used as fuel and hydrocarbons used for plastics, don't you think?

no, i don't, because the manufacturing process entirely requires energy produced by fossil fuels.

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

I'm totally okay with the shale oil industry collapsing. Fuck all of those people. Life will go on.

A lot of Okies agree with you.  Ironically, they're packing up and migrating in droves to Californee again, because they heard earthquakes are relatively few and far between there.

[Jackstar]

no, i don't, because the manufacturing process entirely requires energy produced by fossil fuels.

Sure. For now.

by the way, in your rush to obtuseness, do you recall that I specifically referred to "the shale oil" industry? I'm kinda okay with all those pump wells all over Texas and California, they're nostalgic.

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

"Wherever there's a big guy frackin' a little guy, I'll be there."

[FearBoysWithBugs]

I always get a laugh when someone tells me that we will have clean, unlimited energy for free once fusion technology is realized.