Midnight In The Desert

[GravitySucks]

The ejection seats weren't taken out because of budget cuts. They were taken out because of weight. It cost money to take them out.

The ejection pole wasn't even in place until after the Challenger accident.

Don't believe anything this guest says.

[theONE]

The ejection seats weren't taken out because of budget cuts. They were taken out because of weight. It cost money to take them out.

The ejection pole wasn't even in place until after the Challenger accident.

Don't believe anything this guest says.

GS,..are you not going to call and set the record straight, I'm serious now

[akwilly]

GS,..are you not going to call and set the record straight, I'm serious now

I'd like to hear that also

[GravitySucks]

I am too pissed off. They only had ejection seats for the pilot and co-pilot. There was no way to have ejection seats for the future crewmembers that had to sit in the aft-flight deck and down below in the mid-deck, so they were removed to save weight and make room for the aft flight deck seats.

This stirs up too many bad memories for me. Unlike this asshole, i started working in the shuttle program on STS-4 and had something to do with every shuttle mission after that. Unlike him, I knew everyone of the astronauts that were killed in both Challenger and Colombia.

First pic shows the location if the two ejection seats. Second shows the seating for 8 astronauts. 4 on the flight deck, and up to 4 downstairs on the middeck.

[(Sandman) Logan-5]

This guest doesn't even know that the atmosphere slows the capsule before the chutes open on a capsule.

His voice sounds a lot like the dude that was on a while back, that supposedly found an ancient IPad buried in rock strata. Didn't talk much about the device, just used it as an in to front his underground bunker building business.

...And WTF is up with this...
(79 Guests ? )

[GravitySucks]

MEDS (Glass Cockpit) wasn't implemented until 1998. None of the orbiters had them until then.

[akwilly]

I heard many years ago that they were alive until impact

[GravitySucks]

If you want the truth, it is here. I lived it. You won't find details about the astronaut's deaths out of respect to the families, but the rest of the report is comprehensive.

http://history.nasa.gov/rogersrep/genindex.htm

[norland2424]

I am too pissed off. They only had ejection seats for the pilot and co-pilot. There was no way to have ejection seats for the future crewmembers that had to sit in the aft-flight deck and down below in the mid-deck, so they were removed to save weight and make room for the aft flight deck seats.

This stirs up too many bad memories for me. Unlike this asshole, i started working in the shuttle program on STS-4 and had something to do with every shuttle mission after that. Unlike him, I knew everyone of the astronauts that were killed in both Challenger and Colombia.

First pic shows the location if the two ejection seats. Second shows the seating for 8 astronauts. 4 on the flight deck, and up to 4 downstairs on the middeck.

would the option of ejecting even have mattered for the Colombia crew?

[GravitySucks]

This article tells how 5 Morton Thiokol engineers tried to stop the launch and were over ruled.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/28/464744781/30-years-after-disaster-challenger-engineer-still-blames-himself

[GravitySucks]

would the option of ejecting even have mattered for the Colombia crew?

No because the original design only had seats for the pilot and co-pilot.

[(Sandman) Logan-5]

Thanks for the links GS.

[LadyFish]

The ejection seats weren't taken out because of budget cuts. They were taken out because of weight. It cost money to take them out.

The ejection pole wasn't even in place until after the Challenger accident.

Don't believe anything this guest says.

Haven't heard the whole show.... wondering if this guest is Falkie level crazy or closer to Jackstar's level.

[theONE]

I am too pissed off. They only had ejection seats for the pilot and co-pilot. There was no way to have ejection seats for the future crewmembers that had to sit in the aft-flight deck and down below in the mid-deck, so they were removed to save weight and make room for the aft flight deck seats.

This stirs up too many bad memories for me. Unlike this asshole, i started working in the shuttle program on STS-4 and had something to do with every shuttle mission after that. Unlike him, I knew everyone of the astronauts that were killed in both Challenger and Colombia.

First pic shows the location if the two ejection seats. Second shows the seating for 8 astronauts. 4 on the flight deck, and up to 4 downstairs on the middeck.

If you want the truth, it is here. I lived it. You won't find details about the astronaut's deaths out of respect to the families, but the rest of the report is comprehensive.

http://history.nasa.gov/rogersrep/genindex.htm

That shows quality guests (Redacted) is getting,..looks like shit attracts shit
This guest must be .."great get for Heather" - right Art ?

[GravitySucks]

 STS-107 (Colombia) was not a mission to ISS. And it wasn't wheel well tiles that came off, it was a hole in the leading edge of the wing.

[norland2424]

STS-107 (Colombia) was not a mission to ISS. And it wasn't wheel well tiles that came off, it was a hole in the leading edge of the wing.

did the guest just say that it was going to ISS, i remember it ran a bunch of backlog experiments

[21st Century Man]

Thank you for your comments, GS, about the veracity of this guest.  I'm not listening but I appreciate you correcting the record and I say that in a positive sense. 

[GravitySucks]

did the guest just say that it was going to ISS, i remember it ran a bunch of backlog experiments

He said that while docked at the ISS the crew asked for a check using the lights of the ISS to view the underside but NASA refused because they didn't want to admit there might be a problem.

[norland2424]

He said that while docked at the ISS the crew asked for a check using the lights of the ISS to view the underside but NASA refused because they didn't want to admit there might be a problem.

was that shuttle flight even equipped to dock at ISS, ive always wondered why they didnt.

[(Sandman) Logan-5]

Christ Heather, over-emphasizing interest and concern when you obviously have none is the most annoying trait you can possibly display on air.
Knock it off.
That's Snoory level interviewing.
Just let the guest talk if you have nothing to add. (Who knows, you may give him enough rope to hang himself.) That's what Art used to do.
Sometimes one word answers say more than a whole insincere  sentence does.

[(Sandman) Logan-5]

STS-107 (Colombia) was not a mission to ISS. And it wasn't wheel well tiles that came off, it was a hole in the leading edge of the wing.

That was on the news at the time too.They made a hell of a stink about it, because it was damn serious, and they knew it even before the shuttle came back for re-entry.

[GravitySucks]

was that shuttle flight even equipped to dock at ISS, ive always wondered why they didnt.

They weren't in the same inclination. And they had a SpaceHab module in the cargo bay in the place where the docking adapter would go (1st quarter bay next to the airlock).

STS-107 orbit was 39 degrees. ISS is about 57 degrees. You can't change orbit inclination. You can go higher or lower in orbit, but you can't go left or right. It takes way too much fuel.

[GravitySucks]

That was on the news at the time too.They made a hell of a stink about it, because it was damn serious, and they knew it even before the shuttle came back for re-entry.

The lead flight director, who I will not mention, will have to live with that decision for the rest of their life. Some people advised using national assets to inspect, but noone at NASA was cleared to know what the national assets were capable of.

Bottom line though is that there really was no option. They could not get to the ISS and there was no way to get another shuttle ready for a rescue.

When they started flying again, two rules were put into place.

1. Except for one HST repair mission, the shuttle would only be used for flights to the ISS.

2. There was a second shuttle on the other launch pad ready to be launched in case of problems on the mission.

[norland2424]

They weren't in the same inclination. And they had a SpaceHab module in the cargo bay in the place where the docking adapter would go (1st quarter bay next to the airlock).

STS-107 orbit was 39 degrees. ISS is about 57 degrees. You can't change orbit inclination. You can go giguer or lower in orbit, but you can't go left or right. It takes way too much fuel.

thanks for the info buddy, maybe you could fast blast heather so she know her guest is a fraud

[trostol]

thanks for the info buddy, maybe you could fast blast heather so she know her guest is a fraud

he might get banned lol

[GravitySucks]

I can tell you that long after the accident, they fired a suitcase sized chunk of foam at a mockup of the wing leading edge to see if that could really be the cause. It shocked everyone how big the hole was once the test was done.

I have a piece of the thermal covering that was given to me as an award of sorts. Pic below.

I received another award for helping to identify computer parts which Boeing had recovered in Texas but could not figure out if they were really from Colombia. I was able to identify them as part of an experiment that was in a Get Away Special (GAS) can in the cargo bay.

[GravitySucks]

he might get banned lol

I sent her two messages telling her this guy was full of shit. I think she took the hint after the second one because a minute or two after I sent it she changed the subject to the moon.

[trostol]

I can tell you that long after the accident, they fired a suitcase sized chunk of foam at a mockup of the wing leading edge to see if that could really be the cause. It shocked everyone how big the hole was once the test was done.

I have a piece of the thermal covering that was given to me as an award of sorts. I would take a picture but ithas my name on it and I don't want to dox myself. I will take a picture and when I can get to a PC, I will post it to show that I do happen to know what I am talking about.

I received another award for helping to identify computer parts which Boeing had recovered in Texas but could not figure out if they were really from Colombia. I was able to identify them as part of an experiment that was in a Get Away Special (GAS) can in the cargo bay.

here's a question..Beer/spirits..do they allow it up there?

[GravitySucks]

here's a question..Beer/spirits..do they allow it up there?

I have heard that the Russians always have a supply of vodka, but that is just rumor. I don't know it as fact. NASA's official position is no alcohol allowed.

[SciFiAuthor]

here's a question..Beer/spirits..do they allow it up there?

The Russians do.