Midnight In The Desert

[Dyna-X]

Now that Hoagie is gone we may get 5 hours of Hey-Way

And then I'll get a Coast Insider subscription and listen to the previous night's show minus commercials. Don't make me jump...

[chefist]

Now that Hoagie is gone we may get 5 hours of Hey-Way

[EarthAlien007]

And then I'll get a Coast Insider subscription and listen to the previous night's show minus commercials. Don't make me jump...

They're all free on The Pirate Bay.

[chefist]

They're all free on The Pirate Bay.

Herpes is free...I'll still pass...

[trostol]

Now that Hoagie is gone we may get 5 hours of Hey-Way

would really be death to the network if they put her on for 5 hours

[Dyna-X]

would really be death to the network if they put her on for 5 hours

After 3 hours the vocal fry would intesify and the Wows would also be less enthusiastic.  Most nights we would get 2 hours extra of open lines. The last hour would be mostly drunk potato heads asking for more pictures.

[Firefighter]

The callers that start with (or end with) "Heather, I just want you to know you are doing a great job keep up the good work" or "the show just keeps getting better and better" I've read comments that they must be staged but what would be the point, is it in hope that the majority would be tricked into thinking it's true, that said I do believe the callers are staged but I listen who doesn't love a train wreck or a SyFi made movie the it's so bad it's good on the other hand it can go to far Skarknado II comes to mind...and stop with the Heather Wade is filling in for Art as if he's coming back

[trostol]

The callers that start with (or end with) "Heather, I just want you to know you are doing a great job keep up the good work" or "the show just keeps getting better and better" I've read comments that they must be staged but what would be the point, is it in hope that the majority would be tricked into thinking it's true, that said I do believe the callers are staged but I listen who doesn't love a train wreck or a SyFi made movie the it's so bad it's good on the other hand it can go to far Skarknado II comes to mind...and stop with the Heather Wade is filling in for Art as if he's coming back

Chupacabra vs Alamo was vastly better in badness lol

[Dr. MD MD]

It's not really that simple.  If you think it is, you're too dumb to convince.  Not worth the effort.

Oh, but I really think it is because if you're willing to cut a slice of the pie to every special interest group who are offended then pretty soon, no pie. Your perspective seems to be the one that's "simple" in is regard. 

[Dr. MD MD]

Why "clearly"? If people believe the things they claim about it they would be screaming in the streets, not just making a few crappy documentaries and limp little protests. If you honestly believed your government was so criminal that they would be prepared to commit mass murder to further an agenda then why are you still living there? That would be like sitting in a lions' den waiting to be attacked. You live there because you don't really have the courage of your convictions. What does "inside job" even mean? There are so many different versions of what these "experts" believe happened and it seems that none of them can agree. All the conspiracist people do is focus on anomalous details at the expense of the whole picture. In most cases the alternative explanation is far more convoluted and abstruse than the original one. Occam's razor is pretty useful, as so often.

Conspiracy theorists can't accept that some things can happen without much rhyme or reason. Take the assassination of Arch-Duke Ferdinand in Sarajevo (that led to WW1). That was a conspiracy by Serbian separatists but it was a chain of errors. There was a line of people with bombs lined up on the parade route, but none of the bombs went off. The driver of the car carrying the Arch-Duke inexplicably took a different route and stopped right in front of Gavrilo Princip, who shot him. The assassination really ought not to have happened, but it was just dumb luck that it happened the way it did. If that had happened in the internet age there would be sites full of explanations for why it was a conspiracy by Austria to punish Serbian aggression.

Mostly, when we look at history, it's a series of blunders rather than carefully orchestrated manoeuvres that go absolutely to plan. Conspiracy theorists try to look for logic in events when there often isn't much there to find. They are also often working from a very limited knowledge base and aren't all that interested in learning more if it might contradict their ideas. I wouldn't mind them "just asking questions" if they were making a genuine effort to find the answers, but they are always acting in bad faith. I have never heard one of these people accept that one of their theories hasn't stood up to scrutiny. In the end it will come down to you being a government shill, usually. It's a religious belief because it will brook no contradiction, and nothing in the way of fact-based discussion will change their minds.

Give people a bit more than innuendo and they might take you seriously. The one thing that links these conspiracy theories is the idea that the "official" story can't be true. The trouble is they can't agree on the alternative version. So what does that tell you? You can point out anomalous details but that is a very shaky foundation for a complete theory. For 9/11, for example, you need to agree on the logistics of getting these enormous buildings wired for explosives, and also why it was necessary in the first place. That goes for Building 7 too. Is the alternative explanation more improbable than what we understand to have happened? I think it is. That's not about "programming", it's about simple logic.

You'd be surprised how similar people can look sometimes, especially when the photo is not all that clear. The one on the left actually looks like the spitting image of a radio presenter who works in this country. I don't think you are doing much more than seeing a guy with no legs and drawing the conclusion that they are the same. And, even if we accept your premise, why on earth would someone do something like that? The whole idea of "crisis actors" makes no sense and it's just another product of the conspiracy mindset. They have too much time on their hands and spend it poring over pictures to try and prove their ideas.

And they will also never, ever, be proved wrong. Just like you. 

You keep wanting to frame the conspiracy theorist's perspective as "belief." In an effort to level the play field  I prefer the term "thoughts." because it more accurately reflects the that it's mostly just people with questions unanswered by the official story rather than any sort of religious zealots. From this perspective your viewpoint is more in the belief realm because there's so much you have to explain away in order for it to even be believable whereas we're just asking questions in attempt to figure out the truth because the official story is so full of holes. In order to mock us in this attempt you have to mock truth itself by making it seem like it's a silly thing to even pursue by calling us "Truthers." Whereas you seem to be true believers willing to put aside any questions in acceptance of the official story by essentially saying, "Hey, weird shit happens sometimes." I'm sure you can understand how unsatisfactory this answer is. You say you wouldn't mind so much that we're asking questions if we would just accept your answers about what went on, as if it's intuitively obvious to the most casual of observers that this MUST be the case. I don't think it is though. You seem to be the one selling a story rather than just looking for the truth but that's alright because you've already ridiculed and reduced the truth to just another silly, unfounded belief among others anyway.

You ask about the logistics of how the buildings could've been rigged while conveniently ignoring the fact that Marvin Bush, George's brother, was running the security company responsible for the towers up until about 3 weeks before they fell. With a dad who was not only the head of the CIA at one point but also the POTUS, this might not have been as difficult as you're making it out to be. 

Finally, perhaps we wouldn't be so skeptical about the official story if an actual and adequate investigation about it had been done but, sadly, it was not. Instead, most of the evidence was summarily shipped in tankers to China before anyone could do that. You would think for someone so reasonable that this would cause some alarm bells to go off for you about it but no. There's probably a perfectly good explanation for that too, right? 

[Hog]

Wrong! Look at the video again. ALL the fuel is clearly consumed in the big fireball you see after impact. What? Did some of the fuel run away from the plane to be burned later?! Try harder! 

Clearly nothing.  The jet fuel burned for several minutes after impact.  "Jet A" type jet fuel is kerosene based with and has a flash point of 38 degrees Centigrade.  Burning fuel even made it down some of the elevator shafts.  Jet fuel does not burn like gasoline does, you can drop a lit match in a bucket of Jet fuel and it wont ignite, you cant even light the jet fuel with a propane torch.

If the jet fuel all instantly burned in the fireball as you suggest, the fire damagewould have been minimal, no structural steel weakening from thermal effects therefore the towers would still be standing today.

peace
Hog

[Dr. MD MD]

Clearly nothing.  The jet fuel burned for several minutes after impact.  "Jet A" type jet fuel is kerosene based with and has a flash point of 38 degrees Centigrade.  Burning fuel even made it down some of the elevator shafts.  Jet fuel does not burn like gasoline does, you can drop a lit match in a bucket of Jet fuel and it wont ignite, you cant even light the jet fuel with a propane torch.

If the jet fuel all instantly burned in the fireball as you suggest, the fire damagewould have been minimal, no structural steel weakening from thermal effects therefore the towers would still be standing today.

peace
Hog

If it doesn't burn like that then what caused the big fireball of an explosion? No credible scientist actually believes that it could've burned hot enough to bring down a building that was designed to be hit by planes and survive. When you need to rewrite the laws of physics to make the official story believable then perhaps the official story is the problem.

[pate]

What if you re-write things so that the re has a voice?

Why?

I suspect it was glorified in musak (or elevator music, this particular ditty is getting on my nerves while I get one above those "beneath" me)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z8GK-Ikwbo

[SredniVashtar]

You keep wanting to frame the conspiracy theorist's perspective as "belief." In an effort to level the play field  I prefer the term "thoughts." because it more accurately reflects the that it's mostly just people with questions unanswered by the official story rather than any sort of religious zealots.

All of these 'questions' are predicated on the belief that the 'official' story is untrue, obviously. Nobody is 'just asking questions' out of pure intellectual curiosity, they are working from an agenda. Some are more enthusiastic than others, but they have that belief in common. I use the word 'belief' advisedly, actually, in the sense of a view that it held in the absence of evidence. You can never present a Truther with a convincing rebuttal of any of their allegations because they simply won't believe you. It's like arguing the non-existence of God with a Theist - they have their view and that's that. All conspiracy theories resolve into an effort to distract from the main facts of the case, and wander into details that they worry at obsessively and use to try to undermine the accepted explanation. I'm not going to repeat what I said previously, but conspiracy theorists operate from a very narrow base of knowledge and are not interested in expanding it if it's likely to lead to a conclusion with which they fundamentally disagree. They like to quote scientific research or laws, but only the ones that back up their case. It amounts to no more than a lawyer using all the tools at their disposal to get a murderer acquitted. It's an exercise in rhetoric, no more. It's certainly not a search for truth in any sense.

From this perspective your viewpoint is more in the belief realm because there's so much you have to explain away in order for it to even be believable whereas we're just asking questions in attempt to figure out the truth because the official story is so full of holes. In order to mock us in this attempt you have to mock truth itself by making it seem like it's a silly thing to even pursue by calling us "Truthers." Whereas you seem to be true believers willing to put aside any questions in acceptance of the official story by essentially saying, "Hey, weird shit happens sometimes." I'm sure you can understand how unsatisfactory this answer is. You say you wouldn't mind so much that we're asking questions if we would just accept your answers about what went on, as if it's intuitively obvious to the most casual of observers that this MUST be the case. I don't think it is though. You seem to be the one selling a story rather than just looking for the truth but that's alright because you've already ridiculed and reduced the truth to just another silly, unfounded belief among others anyway.

You're not interested in truth, you're interested in hearing things that fit in with your beliefs. Those people who go on and on about a new 9/11 investigation are being disingenuous - if there was another investigation and it was found that the findings were more or less the same as the previous one, they would scream 'cover-up' and demand another one. You have your own 'truth' in your mind and you won't be satisfied until everybody else sees things the way you do.

You see anomalies and mistake them for 'holes' and then extrapolate from that to build an entire edifice that can't be backed up in fact. The one about the metal dripping off the walls that someone mentioned earlier is a case in point. Aluminium might not glow orange, but who's to say that it was pure aluminium, and they may not have been other materials that gave it that colour? The NIST report might not have done a good job of explaining it, but people are fallible and it can take time to get to the real facts of a case. Things are rarely clear cut. The basic view of a conspiracy theorist is very simple, when all the evidence that we see around us is that events are often contingent and can't be wrapped up into a simple narrative.

You can read a bunch of websites and say "aha! a hole, the official story is bullshit", but I bet you don't search around very hard afterwards to see if there is a more reasonable explanation, rather than the tabloid one. Most of the stuff that you regard as holes are no more than chaff to distract shallow minds. They are usually very disorganised, shy away from nailing their colours to the mast in any substantive way, and hope that a pile of badly constructed arguments can be mistaken for a preponderance of evidence.

You ask about the logistics of how the buildings could've been rigged while conveniently ignoring the fact that Marvin Bush, George's brother, was running the security company responsible for the towers up until about 3 weeks before they fell. With a dad who was not only the head of the CIA at one point but also the POTUS, this might not have been as difficult as you're making it out to be. 

This is classic Conspiracist thinking, and as muddled as could be. Is there a necessary connection purely because the two happen to be related? Were all the people working for the security company relatives of the Bushes too? What about the small army of people tasked with rigging the explosives? Were they all called Bush? And all the people who were working in the twin towers while all this was going on? Did they pretend to turn a blind eye to all these people milling around with high explosives because they all have their summer holidays on the Crawford Ranch? I'll do you the courtesy of assuming you're reasonably intelligent (I'm nothing if not an optimist), but this stuff is balls from start to finish. And unwashed balls at that. That's a typical example of the way that people can add 2 and 2 and make 5.

Finally, perhaps we wouldn't be so skeptical about the official story if an actual and adequate investigation about it had been done but, sadly, it was not. Instead, most of the evidence was summarily shipped in tankers to China before anyone could do that. You would think for someone so reasonable that this would cause some alarm bells to go off for you about it but no. There's probably a perfectly good explanation for that too, right? 

I've already answered the investigation part. If you were honest with yourself, you know that you'd never be happy with any conclusion that didn't agree with yours.

OK, I will try and be reasonable. When you have a lot of rubble and crap lying around your first thoughts are going to be to get it removed as far from you as possible, concentrate on the clean-up work, and make sure that there is enough space to allow things to settle down. In other words, the people responsible for managing the emergency had better things on their mind than worry about the the feelings of moon hoaxers and Flat Earthers, who would never be satisfied anyway. All you care about in that situation is not breathing in toxic dust and developing lung problems. You want all that junk gone, you don't care where it goes. Two planes had just flown into skyscrapers, there didn't seem much doubt what had happened anyway. Why ship it to China? Do I really need to tell you this? It's the reason your country (and mine) does so much business with China: because they are cheap. I am sure they are contracted to do all kinds of stuff like that, and there's no sense throwing money away on something if you can get it done more cheaply elsewhere. There are so many real-world considerations that Conspiracists don't attempt to understand, and it makes you wonder how many of them ever go out of their front doors.

The basic problem I have with conspiracies is that there may very well be examples of criminal activity, but so much time is wasted running after phantom squirrels that people get distracted from the real issues. They cry 'wolf' so many times, and one day they may have a genuine reason for concern, but they have tried it on too many times and nobody is going to believe them any more.

[chandlerkaiden]

God, I can hardly listen to the archive from Friday at work.  What a complete disaster.  If I had more time, I'd read the comments here... this thing had to have been torn to pieces.

[Juan]

It seems to have been forgotten that the buildings were designed to have its steel frame covered with asbestos.  At about half-way up, environmental regulations stopped them from using more asbestos, so the upper levels were more prone to softening from heat.

What caused the fireball? A burning mass of jet fuel still obeys the laws of inertia.  Remember the fuel was moving at several hundred miles per hour.

[Mind Flayer Monk]

5 hours of MiTD!

[Cynnie]

I live in the area Jeff is from.  While I don't know him personally I know others that do.  He lost his legs in the marathon bombing not before.

Oh holy hell , I live in the Boston area . I KNOW people who were hurt during the bombing .

[norland2424]

5 hours of MiTD!

LOL

[Roswells, Art]

Isn't there supposed to be a show on right now?

[JesusJuice]

Isn't there supposed to be a show on right now?

No. 9pm Pacific.

[GravitySucks]

Isn't there supposed to be a show on right now?

Not for another 52 minutes.

[Roswells, Art]

That's weird. My computer clock is wrong.

[GravitySucks]

That's weird. My computer clock is wrong.

Probably adjusted to the old school daylight savings times date. Before they changed the law

[zeebo]

That's weird. My computer clock is wrong.

Possibilities: matrix glitch, time travel, or malfunctioning hubrid chip.

[norland2424]

That's weird. My computer clock is wrong.

If your on windows 10 its been a bug thats been popping up all day.

[trostol]

wow..the end of the NCAA tourney

[Taco Bell]

wow..the end of the NCAA tourney

Good.

[GravitySucks]

Stan Gordon. Interdimensional Cryptids

http://midnightinthedesert.com/stan-gordon/

[JesusJuice]

Interesting guest and topic so far. Heather is getting better by the day.