Art Bell cancels show for good

[DanTSX]

Dude he believes in so much woo woo it's incredible, rational skeptic my ass. He is a true believer through and through.

I don't think he does.  But hey, I don't know him.

[Claudius]

I don't think he does.  But hey, I don't know him.

Aliens are real, EVP is real, Men in Black maybe, Shadow People are real (hint he thinks he has seen one), water dowsing is real (Ramona was a "Water Witch"), Witches are real.

Yes he does espouse some logic on some topic but really? 

Should I continue?

[DanTSX]

Aliens are real, EVP is real, Men in Black maybe, Shadow People are real (hint he thinks he has seen one), water dowsing is real (Ramona was a "Water Witch"), Witches are real.

Yes he does espouse some logic on some topic but really? 

Should I continue?

Makes good radio, huh?

[DanTSX]

There was a football club manager in the UK who has retired. He was manager of Manchester United and his name is Alex Ferguson. No matter what his players did, be it on or off the field with their indiscretions, he never ever publically rebuked or criticised them.

You remind me of him.

c'mon pud, you are smarter than this.....

Let's back up and think about why you think Art is wrong, and why I would have any incentive to defend him.  I'm simply saying that we likely do not have all of the facts, and are ripping each other apart by injecting our own bullshit about how we think Art, the police, Heather, You, I, and everyone else should be handling this.

If I'm poking holes in TV-land police work of a slew of internet detectives, I am not going to apologize for that.

[Claudius]

Makes good radio, huh?

So if he sells books based upon this, and sells his radio show while pretending to believe in all of this how to do you know that his whole shooter thing is not just part of his on-air personality and is not true? 

You can't pick and choose where to use logic.

[DanTSX]

So if he sells books based upon this, and sells his radio show while pretending to believe in all of this how to do you know that his whole shooter thing is not just part of his on-air personality and is not true? 

You can't pick and choose where to use logic.

Because it is not unreasonable to separate the suspension of disbelief when he is actively interviewing some nut job for our entertainment, and when someone is shooting at his fucking family?

[dan7800]

I predict there is more to come with this matter, and that 80% of the people who say that they are done with Art will be drooling when he comes back even for 15 minutes.

[Claudius]

Because it is not unreasonable to separate the suspension of disbelief when he is actively interviewing some nut job for our entertainment, and when someone is shooting at his fucking family?

You mean when he claims he was being shot at. Let's not exaggerate in order to emotion your way out of this. Again he is simply making a claim, I'm being shot at, I've seen a huge triangle in the sky, I've seen shadow people etc. You can't separate one just because it is more emotional than the rest. He has a track record of overstating the truth is all Pud and myself are saying. We aren't saying he is making this up, only that there is no proof, and Art is prone to believing things like this.

You on the other hand just fanatically support him, and if others don't then they must be wrong about everything.

[malachi.martini]

when someone is shooting at his fucking family?

[SixWeekTenure(tm)]

I predict there is more to come with this matter, and that 80% of the people who say that they are done with Art will be drooling when he comes back even for 15 minutes.

Unless Art comes back within thirty days, he won't have a network on which to broadcast. No affiliates are going to pick him up after this latest retirement and fans will be skeptical of putting any money toward another project.

[DanTSX]

there doesnt seem to be *any* evidence anyone ever fired a shot anywhere near Art or his family. The NYEPD even wrote they never heard about any stalker from Art.

Again, what evidence are you expecting?

[SixWeekTenure(tm)]

Art doesn't want anything to do with Alex Jones, nor should he.

[Yorkshire pud]

Again, what evidence are you expecting?

Off the bat? Tyre tracks, boot prints, cartridges, fire cracker cases, dropped ammunition, dropped pieces of paper, gum wrappers, cig butts..witnesses. But then I'm not a copper.

[DanTSX]

You mean when he claims he was being shot at. Let's not exaggerate in order to emotion your way out of this. Again he is simply making a claim, I'm being shot at, I've seen a huge triangle in the sky, I've seen shadow people etc. You can't separate one just because it is more emotional than the rest. He has a track record of overstating the truth is all Pud and myself are saying. We aren't saying he is making this up, only that there is no proof, and Art is prone to believing things like this.

You on the other hand just fanatically support him, and if others don't then they must be wrong about everything.

He also has a track record of playing his cards close and leading a very private life.

I think you are mistaking healthy skepticism for the fanatical and fanciful assumptions being made about this incident as fanatical support.  Indeed it is quite the opposite.  The membership is off their fucking rocker, and feeding off each other to make it worse.  I'm not trying to stop it, but some questions simply must be asked.

[Claudius]

He also has a track record of playing his cards close and leading a very private life.

I think you are mistaking healthy skepticism for the fanatical and fanciful assumptions being made about this incident as fanatical support.  Indeed it is quite the opposite.  The membership is off their fucking rocker, and feeding off each other to make it worse.  I'm not trying to stop it, but some questions simply must be asked.

How are you the one here being skeptical? Sorry you can't just claim skepticism and therefore you are. We are simply saying that until solid proof is offered we don't know if he has simply exaggerated all of this and it is really nothing or if someone has actually shot at him. We want proof before we will accept something. You don't need proof though because you know Art is telling the truth because "his family was involved".

[DanTSX]

Off the bat? Tyre tracks, boot prints, cartridges, fire ceacker cases, dropped ammunition, dropped pieces of paper, gum wrappers, cig butts..witnesses. But then I'm not a copper.

Clearly not.

Even if some of that was found, how would you know it from pre-existing debris, tracks, etc, or if they were fired from the road, or shell cases were recovered or retained by the perpetuator.......


Not a copper either, but I'm comfortable admitting that You and I are further on the right of the bell curve for this forum.  (Don't let it go to your head)

[malachi.martini]

What had a longer run, MITD or Pizza Punch?

[Philosopher]

I hate to say this but the same proclivities that make one a fan of the paranormal will make one a an uncritical believer in Art's shooter story... And he knows that.

[DanTSX]

How are you the one here being skeptical? Sorry you can't just claim skepticism and therefore you are. We are simply saying that until solid proof is offered we don't know if he has simply exaggerated all of this and it is really nothing or if someone has actually shot at him. We want proof before we will accept something. You don't need proof though because you know Art is telling the truth because "his family was involved".

Simple.

We don't know what we don't know........




If a threat exists, as Art asserts, it is unlikely that he is providing us with all of the details. 

If he is knowingly withholding details, he likely has zero care or desire to ensure that what details he has given us line-up enough to satisfy our curiosity without scribbling in our own suppositions.

If a threat does exist, it is reasonable to assume that a police department that investigates the case has no mechanism or interest in satisfying the curiosity of a bunch of obsessive cat ladies and deinstitutionalized mental patients.  Further, if the case is serious enough and ongoing, it is not unreasonable to for the police to tell us all to fuck off in a variety of ways including playing dumb or sending you through a beaurcratic maze.

Evidence may or may not exist.  I think your collective expectations of what is expected to be found, and what constitutes a satisfactory investigation are clouded by too much crime scene investigator / forensics lab TV shows.  I'm sure the local police authority is quite capable and honest (prove me otherwise).  But unless you think you can do better, you should probably let the police do their job.

But let's just make shit up to fill in any perceived gaps in Art's story, shall we?  I like the lecherous old man stories the best.  Let's go there.

[DanTSX]

I hate to say this but the same proclivities that make one a fan of the paranormal will make one a an uncritical believer in Art's shooter story... And he knows that.

I'm pretty skeptical of pretty much all of Art's guests.  It's entertainment, and Im pretty comfortable that when he's on the air, he's playing art bell and having fun.

I didn't say I believed Art's story.  I'm simply saying that the people making shit up about what Art, the police, etc, should do, should had, are full of shit.

[malachi.martini]

Simple.

We don't know what we don't know........




If a threat exists, as Art asserts, it is unlikely that he is providing us with all of the details. 

If he is knowingly withholding details, he likely has zero care or desire to ensure that what details he has given us line-up enough to satisfy our curiosity without scribbling in our own suppositions.

If a threat does exist, it is reasonable to assume that a police department that investigates the case has no mechanism or interest in satisfying the curiosity of a bunch of obsessive cat ladies and deinstitutionalized mental patients.  Further, if the case is serious enough and ongoing, it is not unreasonable to for the police to tell us all to fuck off in a variety of ways including playing dumb or sending you through a beaurcratic maze.

Evidence may or may not exist.  I think your collective expectations of what is expected to be found, and what constitutes a satisfactory investigation are clouded by too much crime scene investigator / forensics lab TV shows.  I'm sure the local police authority is quite capable and honest (prove me otherwise).  But unless you think you can do better, you should probably let the police do their job.

But let's just make shit up to fill in any perceived gaps in Art's story, shall we?  I like the lecherous old man stories the best.  Let's go there.

https://youtu.be/GiPe1OiKQuk

[DanTSX]

You don't need proof though because you know Art is telling the truth because "his family was involved".

I said that?

[Philosopher]

I'm pretty skeptical of pretty much all of Art's guests.  It's entertainment, and Im pretty comfortable that when he's on the air, he's playing art bell and having fun.

I didn't say I believed Art's story.  I'm simply saying that the people making shit up about what Art, the police, etc, should do, should had, are full of shit.

Yes, as even the police and press state they are unaware of any shooter.  Art wanted to walk away, and he did.  No blame there.

[DanTSX]

If an actual thread existed, it's also quite unlikely the local Police Department NEVER HEARD OF IT as by their own admission. (same official who runs their Facebook page said as much, screencap of it is a few pages back in this thread)

No it's not likely.

The police are not The Oracle

The Public Affairs tasks may not know everything.

The Public Affairs tasks may not be telling the truth if there is an active investigation or ongoing concern for a public figure.

Why people are expecting the police department to satisfy their internet obsessions is beyond me.  They are there to do their fucking job, and that doesn't include ensuring that you guys are certain that no one was on the grassy knoll.

[Philosopher]

If an actual thread existed, it's also quite unlikely the local Police Department NEVER HEARD OF IT as by their own admission. (same official who runs their Facebook page said as much, screencap of it is a few pages back in this thread)

I respect Art for being tough enough to walk away when he wanted to, but the collective wool pulled over our heads is getting odious.  If you believe in Mel's hole or Shadow People then you are ripe to believe in the Midnight Shooter.  He's so good even the police don't know about him.

[Yorkshire pud]

Clearly not.

Even if some of that was found, how would you know it from pre-existing debris, tracks, etc, or if they were fired from the road, or shell cases were recovered or retained by the perpetuator.......

Hence why (I expect) police return in daylight to have a good look around if they believe there is a credible threat to someone. Maybe they do it different in his town and wait until they have a body.

Not a copper either, but I'm comfortable admitting that You and I are further on the right of the bell curve for this forum.  (Don't let it go to your head)

I don't think it's being a copper; it's common sense. We're better at seeing in the day.

[DanTSX]

I respect Art for being tough enough to walk away when he wanted to, but the collective wool pulled over our heads is getting odious.  If you believe in Mel's hole or Shadow People then you are ripe to believe in the Midnight Shooter.  He's so good even the police don't know about him.

The collective wool seems only to be in place in those that can't seem to separate that Art's level of rationality doesn't change when the On-Air sign is glowing, and he is "in character"......

This doesn't have anything to do with his on-air personality.  In fact it seems to have something to do with a lunatic that cannot separate Art's on-air and off-air personality.

[Yorkshire pud]

The collective wool seems only to be in place in those that can't seem to separate that Art's level of rationality doesn't change when the On-Air sign is glowing, and he is "in character"......

This doesn't have anything to do with his on-air personality.  In fact it seems to have something to do with a lunatic that cannot separate Art's on-air and off-air personality.

This isn't intended to be inflammatory; How well do you know AB?

[DanTSX]

Hence why (I expect) police return in daylight to have a good look around if they believe there is a credible threat to someone. Maybe they do it different in his town and wait until they have a body.

I don't think it's being a copper; it's common sense. We're better at seeing in the day.

Again, what you think is evidence may not exist as distinguishable from other artifacts, or it's not worth expending all police resources to find 5 shell casings in the flat, rocky, dustbowl that makes up the outskirts of Pahrump.....

I'm trying to be reasonable here.  A cig butt is great if you find one in the home of a murder victim that doesn't smoke, but to find one rolling around with the tumbleweeds?  Where does that get you?

[bellNwhistle]

Yes, as even the police and press state they are unaware of any shooter.  Art wanted to walk away, and he did.  No blame there.

Just a thought, but the press would get their info from one of two places..  Art or the police. (I'm not counting Heather, because even though she saw pics of Art's knees, that doesn't really mean much, IMO).   The police dont have to tell the media or his fans jack squat.  They don't have anyone in custody, they couldn't find anyone, or much evidence apparently. This doesn't mean it was bogus, but they don't have solid info or leads.  Art isn't going to talk to the media-he IS the media, and he's told us about as much as he's probably told anyone else, so no need to do an official interview for anyone.

I'm just saying..