Mt.McKinley is no more

[NowhereInTime]

I put nothing past this character Obama in his request for revenge.

Well, if he's only asking, then what's the harm?

He, and his fellow travelers,

So now he's Irish?

...already are renaming things, removing statues, calling to move graves, changing definitions of words, replacing flags,

Only to a conservative should the future be as static as the past.

...agitating for attacks on police,

Not at any point.

...renaming schools, parks, and buildings,

You mean the ways conservatives rename everything under the sun after Ronald Reagan?

using the military for social experiments,

Because our military should never reflect our society.  Ever.

and encouraging illegal aliens.

With pom poms and a bullhorn.  Really?  Are you going to cite the one guy in San Francisco who shot and killed someone?  It's ok to shoot and kill people if you're a white citizen.

Nothing would surprise me. It is not uncommon for radicals, leftists, religious zealots, ethnic/racial groups to rename things (in some places they like to destroy things) when they gain control or take over a country.

Here we go with the demagoguery. Again "It's not uncommon for liberals to blah, blah, blah..."

Of course, "it can't happen here" we are told but look at Africa, the Middle-East, what happened during the English Civil War, the Reformation, the French Revolution, and Asia. Sometimes benign, Bombay is now Mumbai etc and sometimes bad (Muslims blowing up ancient Roman, Christian, Zoroastrian, Buddahist, etc ruins and structures.) Obama and his adherents aren't the only people who try to erase, or "change," the past in an attempt to "fundamentally transform" a country or region or society.

Yeah, its called "life".  People don't always settle for that which is highly disadvantageous to them. Go figure.  Actually, it's what's great about this country.

I don't have a problem with the Mt.McKinley name change because most in the State already called it Denali and the park is already called Denali but I don't like how some Federal agency, created not by Congress, but by Executive Order can willy-nilly by decree rename whatever they wish.

Yeah, those pesky "executive" orders. We all know blacks can't be "executives", amiright?!?

[Quick Karl]

Took you 3 years to figure out I just don't like you?  Perceptive.

Nitwit, you're an emotionally-stunted scumbag, and that is all that anyone needs to know about you. If you liked me I would consider it an insult.

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Nitwit, you're an emotionally-stunted scumbag, and that is all that anyone needs to know about you. If you liked me I would consider it an insult.

Slow Karl, is there anything you do consider to be an insult?  Other than your mom's tits I mean.

[Mind Flayer Monk]

(Turks often using captured Christian child slaves and raised to become elite units to guard the Ottoman despots: Janissaries etc.)

They did for the 200 years that they were powerful. Once they stopped the devsirme, the Ottoman Empire slowly started falling apart.
"The ideal age of a recruit was between 7 and 10 years of age,[8] although they recruited much younger boys. The devşirme system was locally resented[9] and was resisted, even to the point of disfiguring their sons.[10][11] On the other hand, as the devşirme were recruited to rise up to the grand vizier status (the second most powerful man in the empire), Christian parents in Bosnia were known to bribe scouts to take their children.

the Ottoman ruling class slowly came to be ruled exclusively by the devşirme, creating a separate social class. This class of rulers was chosen from the brightest of devşirme and hand-picked to serve in the Palace institution, known as the Enderun"

[Yorkshire pud]

And and giving Kosovo to the Muslims. Clinton even bombed the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade to support those radicals Muslims (yeah, CIA/NATO has NO idea where embassies are!) Yeah, the Serbs were mean and doing atrocities but, sad to say, that is what Muslims were doing (and are doing all over the wolrd.) And what saved Europe from the Muslim hordes centuries ago (Turks often using captured Christian child slaves and raised to become elite units to guard the Ottoman despots: Janissaries etc.) So fight fire with fire, and Mehmed II turned away seeing sorched earth and 10's of thousands of his troops on pikes by Vlad III. But the various German, Hungarian, etc royalty for political reasons vilified him in popular myth. King Jan Sobieski saved Europe also but look what's happened to Poland/Lithuania afterwards. Anyway the history is a long one but, unlike us, the Muslims are still at it.

And neatly overlooking the massacre at  Srebrenica which was the murder of over (low estimates) 3000 Muslim men and boys. The girls and women were of course raped before being murdered. And that doesn't include orphanges being set alight by Molosovic's filth or the beheading and sticking the victims heads on spikes in barns. I suppose the war crimes trials in The Hague apposite to said massacre was just a misunderstanding?

[Auslandia]

 I remember one time when this thread was about Mount McKinley. Man… Those were the days. Simpler times. A time when people would sit and chat on their porches on Sunday mornings and sip lemonade.

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I remember one time when this thread was about Mount McKinley. Man… Those were the days. Simpler times. A time when people would sit and chat on their porches on Sunday mornings and sip lemonade.

Those were different times.
And the poets studied rules of verse,
And all the ladies rolled their eyes

[ACE of CLUBS]

Does the mountain care what you mortals call it ?
Fucking moronic thread ....

[onan]

Does the mountain care what you mortals call it ?
Fucking moronic thread ....

Actually, mountains are quite sensitive.

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

I put nothing past this character Obama in his request for revenge. He, and his fellow travelers, already are renaming things, removing statues, calling to move graves, changing definitions of words, replacing flags, agitating for attacks on police, renaming schools, parks, and buildings, using the military for social experiments, and encouraging illegal aliens. Nothing would surprise me. It is not uncommon for radicals, leftists, religious zealots, ethnic/racial groups to rename things (in some places they like to destroy things) when they gain control or take over a country. Of course, "it can't happen here" we are told but look at Africa, the Middle-East, what happened during the English Civil War, the Reformation, the French Revolution, and Asia. Sometimes benign, Bombay is now Mumbai etc and sometimes bad (Muslims blowing up ancient Roman, Christian, Zoroastrian, Buddahist, etc ruins and structures.) Obama and his adherents aren't the only people who try to erase, or "change," the past in an attempt to "fundamentally transform" a country or region or society.

I don't have a problem with the Mt.McKinley name change because most in the State already called it Denali and the park is already called Denali but I don't like how some Federal agency, created not by Congress, but by Executive Order can willy-nilly by decree rename whatever they wish.

Even old New York was once New Amsterdam.  Why they changed it, I can't say.  Maybe people liked it better that way?  Who knows?

[Yorkshire pud]

Even old New York was once New Amsterdam.  Why they changed it, I can't say.  Maybe people liked it better that way?  Who knows?

Damn limeys. Little known fact; almost all the original fire hydrants in NY city were made at a company called Guest and Chrimes, Rotherham, Yorkshire. Maybe that's why the name change?

Just sayin.

[albrecht]

Yeah, those pesky "executive" orders. We all know blacks can't be "executives", amiright?!?

Are you crazy, or just a bad public school ? As I mentioned, United States Board on Geographic Names, the agency was created by Executive Order by President Benjamin Harrison- not a black guy. I just question why, and where, in the Constitution does it say the the Executive branch gets rename anything they wish at will. Another example of a branch of government creating their own jurisdiction or power by proclaiming it themselves. As I said earlier the locals already called it Denali, the park is Denali, and the majority of the State wants it to be called Denali so I'm fine with that. But it should up the people there not some politician in DC or his appointed hack at some agency that was created out of this air.

[albrecht]

Even old New York was once New Amsterdam.  Why they changed it, I can't say.  Maybe people liked it better that way?  Who knows?

Treaty of Westminster following several Dutch-Anglo Wars. (Really maybe more of a "fight" between the VOC and East Indian Company interests, perhaps?) Some really cool paintings about the epic sea battles.

[Yorkshire pud]

Are you crazy, or just a bad public school ? As I mentioned, United States Board on Geographic Names, the agency was created by Executive Order by President Benjamin Harrison- not a black guy. I just question why, and where, in the Constitution does it say the the Executive branch gets rename anything they wish at will. Another example of a branch of government creating their own jurisdiction or power by proclaiming it themselves. As I said earlier the locals already called it Denali, the park is Denali, and the majority of the State wants it to be called Denali so I'm fine with that. But it should up the people there not some politician in DC or his appointed hack at some agency that was created out of this air.

Now it's you who is joking. Leaving it up to the population to decide anything by concencus will drag on for decades. Probably involve several mass shootings, at least one TV debate, and take us up to Windows 43. In other words, it will take too long.

[albrecht]

Now it's you who is joking. Leaving it up to the population to decide anything by concencus will drag on for decades. Probably involve several mass shootings, at least one TV debate, and take us up to Windows 43. In other words, it will take too long.

I understand your stance against democracy or even a Representative form of it. But we didn't want to be ruled by royal decree and people should be able to control some aspect of their life. (At one point even Englishmen believed in that.) In fact if the Alaskans would've been allowed the mountain in question would've been renamed, or just been, "Denali" years earlier than this latest Federal agency decree.
You are really comfortable with some civilian servant in some back-office could just rename your town or region or hill or etc? Without public input or vote? Just on a whim?

[Yorkshire pud]

I understand your stance against democracy or even a Representative form of it.

You extrapolated that from my suggesting your population couldn't reach consensus? Interesting.

....but here we go...on your marks, get set. Goooooooooooooooooo!!

But we didn't want to be ruled by royal decree and people should be able to control some aspect of their life. (At one point even Englishmen believed in that.)

You're nothing if not predictable.

In fact if the Alaskans would've been allowed the mountain in question would've been renamed, or just been, "Denali" years earlier than this latest Federal agency decree.
You are really comfortable with some civilian servant in some back-office could just rename your town or region or hill or etc? Without public input or vote? Just on a whim?

It happens. We had our Ridings made into separate counties in I think 72, maybe 74 ish. Did the world stop? Nope... Did the civil servant in the office make the decision? Nope, a group of Councillors/ MP's did as far as I remember. I think I have far far more pressing things to concern my life than the name on a street/building/hill/lake or airport. I might ridicule it, but I don't get my knickers in a wad.

[albrecht]

You extrapolated that from my suggesting your population couldn't reach consensus? Interesting.

....but here we go...on your marks, get set. Goooooooooooooooooo!!
You're nothing if not predictable.

It happens. We had our Ridings made into separate counties in I think 72, maybe 74 ish. Did the world stop? Nope... Did the civil servant in the office make the decision? Nope, a group of Councillors/ MP's did as far as I remember. I think I have far far more pressing things to concern my life than the name on a street/building/hill/lake or airport. I might ridicule it, but I don't get my knickers in a wad.

And that Act was passed by Parliament- not done by a Royal decree or some bureaucrat making a decision without local representation. And I don't see name changes but changes to how the local government(s) work and their area.

[Quick Karl]

Billy was a mountain...

Ethel was a tree growing off of his shoulder...

Billy had two big caves for eyes with a cliff for a jaw that would go up or down and whenever it did he'd puff out some dust and hack up a boulder, hack, hack!

[Inglorious Bitch]

Even old New York was once New Amsterdam.  Why they changed it, I can't say.  Maybe people liked it better that way?  Who knows?

You might have to be a giant to know. 

[UnscreenedCaller]

Even old New York was once New Amsterdam.  Why they changed it, I can't say.  Maybe people liked it better that way?  Who knows?

English-Dutch war. Governor Peter Stuyvesant surrendered to the English naval commander. The settlement was renamed to honor the Duke of York, and frankly we're all glad because New York is a lot less to write on applications than New Amsterdam. Plus, can you imagine New Amsterdam, New Amsterdam as a song?

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I understand your stance against democracy or even a Representative form of it. But we didn't want to be ruled by royal decree and people should be able to control some aspect of their life. (At one point even Englishmen believed in that.) In fact if the Alaskans would've been allowed the mountain in question would've been renamed, or just been, "Denali" years earlier than this latest Federal agency decree.
You are really comfortable with some civilian servant in some back-office could just rename your town or region or hill or etc? Without public input or vote? Just on a whim?

1.I'm pretty sure it's just things under federal control that the federal government can rename.

2.Royal Decree?  Are you aware the President is elected?  I know that didn't happen in 2000, but, fortunately that was a one off.

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

You might have to be a giant to know. 

You might!

[Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost]

Billy was a mountain...

Ethel was a tree growing off of his shoulder...

Billy had two big caves for eyes with a cliff for a jaw that would go up or down and whenever it did he'd puff out some dust and hack up a boulder, hack, hack!

.

[albrecht]

1.I'm pretty sure it's just things under federal control that the federal government can rename.

2.Royal Decree?  Are you aware the President is elected?  I know that didn't happen in 2000, but, fortunately that was a one off.

1. The Board of Geographic names, as I mentioned, was created by President Benjamin Harrison under an Executive Order in 1890. Usually they try to go with what the State/locals like but can change on their own if this wish without consulting (they apparently ban offensive names.) I would imagine stuff on Federally administered property could be changed more quickly. Actually anyone can request a name change, if you read the Quarterly Review most are people trying to name an unnamed item (a hill, ridge, new "lake", etc) or many of them are "revisionists" (that is trying to go back to the local/native name.) I might try to name something for a kick.
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/14/us/texas-journal-on-geographic-names-and-cleaning-them-up.html (I honestly don't remember the outcome of the "hill" naming but recall the creek was renamed.)
and even more recently in Yankee land!
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424053111903554904576460483180662902

2. That was a reply to the Yorkshireman, in England , they don't have a President.

ps: shirt for sale, slightly used vintage! Protest the name change. (Will combine shipping fees if you also buy a "Pluto Is A Planet" tshirt.) Kidding, I'm keeping my tshirt...at least until the price really gets high!

[Quick Karl]

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I'm kinda surprised anyone got it...

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1. The Board of Geographic names, as I mentioned, was created by President Benjamin Harrison under an Executive Order in 1890. Usually they try to go with what the State/locals like but can change on their own if this wish without consulting (they apparently ban offensive names.) I would imagine stuff on Federally administered property could be changed more quickly. Actually anyone can request a name change, if you read the Quarterly Review most are people trying to name an unnamed item (a hill, ridge, new "lake", etc) or many of them are "revisionists" (that is trying to go back to the local/native name.) I might try to name something for a kick.


Ok, I stand corrected.  Have they ever actually used their authority in this manner though?  I assume in most cases the local area tries to change offensive names first.

2. That was a reply to the Yorkshireman, in England , they don't have a President.

Has anyone told this to David Cameron?

[qaddisin]

I'm kinda surprised anyone got it...

I got it, I'm just surprised someone as closed minded as you would quote him.

[qaddisin]

1. The Board of Geographic names, as I mentioned, was created by President Benjamin Harrison under an Executive Order in 1890. Usually they try to go with what the State/locals like but can change on their own if this wish without consulting (they apparently ban offensive names.) I would imagine stuff on Federally administered property could be changed more quickly.

... and Denali is located in (drum roll, please) Denali National Park!

As I've already said, Alaska requested the name change back in 1975. For the past 40 years, one bitter man used a Congressional procedural loophole to prevent the Board of Geographic Names from renaming the mountain. The president said screw that, and used the power Congress has given him (after the War Powers Act, everything else seems like small potatoes to me), and gave the people that live there something they wanted. I have this feeling that if Obama issued a congressional order making ice cream free for a day, you'd bitch because some people are lactose intolerant.

ps: shirt for sale, slightly used vintage! Protest the name change. (Will combine shipping fees if you also buy a "Pluto Is A Planet" tshirt.) Kidding, I'm keeping my tshirt...at least until the price really gets high!

[albrecht]

... and Denali is located in (drum roll, please) Denali National Park!

As I've already said, Alaska requested the name change back in 1975. For the past 40 years, one bitter man used a Congressional procedural loophole to prevent the Board of Geographic Names from renaming the mountain. The president said screw that, and used the power Congress has given him (after the War Powers Act, everything else seems like small potatoes to me), and gave the people that live there something they wanted. I have this feeling that if Obama issued a congressional order making ice cream free for a day, you'd bitch because some people are lactose intolerant.

I would bitch because a President cannot issue a "congressional order," as you call them ("congressional" means Congress.) And should be limited to his use of Executive Orders, and other Presidential powers; whether it is Bush or Obama- no President should be able to order people to eat ice cream or order a business to provide ice cream to people for free.
ps: as I mentioned before, the mountain was in Denali park and the locals and State called the mountain Denali and wanted to it to be called that. It should be a local/State issue what they call things so I have no problem with it being called "Denali," just the method by which the name was changed.

[Quick Karl]

I got it, I'm just surprised someone as closed minded as you would quote him.

Fuck you, queer.